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Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?

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"Azul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy
Voicestream?

They bought it because they wanted it. They have tried to sell it in the
past because they need the money, but nobody liked their ridiculous terms.
They aren't really "trying" to sell it, just pretending that someone might
pay a price for it similar to the price you might sell one of your
appendages for (i.e., there is technically a high enough price for the
seller, but no buyers willing to pay it).



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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0500, "Azul" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?

It's true. It's also true that McDonald's is trying to buy AT&T
Wireless.

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"Azul" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?

They bought it at an artificially high price. Last year they had
worked on various deals to sell but as time went on and they saw their
income rise i think they came to relaize that their best bet would be
to hold out till they price got higher -or- just hang onto it and see
what happens. From the looks of things TMob is coming up fast and
especially with their current spectrum portfolio is in good position
to be a serious player in the months and years to come.

Azul wrote:
> Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?
>
>

Western Wireless, which started Voicestream, is in financial trouble.
Most of Western's revenue comes from Cingular and AT&T customers.
Western needed money, and DT came along and purchased Voicestream, the
"ailing" division of Western. Now, Western is building a GSM 850 and a
GSM 1900 overlay exclusively for roamers of Cingular, AT&T, and
T-Mobile. Western Wireless currently runs AMPS 800, TDMA 800, CDMA 800,
GSM 850, TDMA 1900, CDMA 1900, and GSM 1900. In some periods, the vast
majority of Western's revenue is from roamers (beating equipment sales
and subscriptions of its own customers, but it does seem to receive a
lot of ETFs).

To see financial information on Western Wireless, visit
http://www.westernwireless.com/Defau...pid=22&xdir=IR

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In alt.cellular Aboutdakota <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Azul wrote:
>> Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?
>>
>>
>
> Western Wireless, which started Voicestream, is in financial trouble.
> Most of Western's revenue comes from Cingular and AT&T customers.
> Western needed money, and DT came along and purchased Voicestream, the
> "ailing" division of Western. Now, Western is building a GSM 850 and a
> GSM 1900 overlay exclusively for roamers of Cingular, AT&T, and
> T-Mobile.

....while converting CellularONE to CDMA. Western Wireless owns the CellularONE
name, and while C1 franchises NOT owned by them aren't going to CDMA (Dobson
CellularONE is going GSM, for example), their own C1 markets are going CDMA.
Or have already.

It's an interesting business model.


> Western Wireless currently runs AMPS 800, TDMA 800, CDMA 800,
> GSM 850, TDMA 1900, CDMA 1900, and GSM 1900. In some periods, the vast
> majority of Western's revenue is from roamers (beating equipment sales
> and subscriptions of its own customers, but it does seem to receive a
> lot of ETFs).

I believe they're getting rid of the TDMA in favor of CDMA.


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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:30:58 -0800, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0500, "Azul" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?
>
>It's true. It's also true that McDonald's is trying to buy AT&T
>Wireless.
>

I'll take a Big Mac Combo, upsize it please and Sony Ericsson T616 for
the drink. Easy on the ice.

In article <[email protected]>,
bones boy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:30:58 -0800, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0500, "Azul" <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?
> >
> >It's true. It's also true that McDonald's is trying to buy AT&T
> >Wireless.
> >
>
> I'll take a Big Mac Combo, upsize it please and Sony Ericsson T616 for
> the drink. Easy on the ice.

Nope TMobile uses the T610

Al wrote on [Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:38:58 GMT]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> bones boy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:30:58 -0800, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0500, "Azul" <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?
>> >
>> >It's true. It's also true that McDonald's is trying to buy AT&T
>> >Wireless.
>> >
>>
>> I'll take a Big Mac Combo, upsize it please and Sony Ericsson T616 for
>> the drink. Easy on the ice.
>
> Nope TMobile uses the T610

And AT&T uses the T616

In article <[email protected]>,
Justin <[email protected]> wrote:

> Al wrote on [Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:38:58 GMT]:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > bones boy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:30:58 -0800, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0500, "Azul" <[email protected]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy
> >> >>Voicestream?
> >> >
> >> >It's true. It's also true that McDonald's is trying to buy AT&T
> >> >Wireless.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'll take a Big Mac Combo, upsize it please and Sony Ericsson T616 for
> >> the drink. Easy on the ice.
> >
> > Nope TMobile uses the T610
>
> And AT&T uses the T616


so does Cingular, soon to buy the AT&T Wireless assets and customer
lists.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:30:58 -0800, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo> chose to
add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0500, "Azul" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy Voicestream?
>
>It's true. It's also true that McDonald's is trying to buy AT&T
>Wireless.

.... That'd be one way to get the real estate to expand the GSM network --
put a mini-cell in every McD's in the country. Failing that, they could
just put a CDMA jammer in them.

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I believe they would get better coverage if the installed them in all the
Starbucks here in California.


"David S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:30:58 -0800, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo> chose to
> add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>
> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0500, "Azul" <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy
Voicestream?
> >
> >It's true. It's also true that McDonald's is trying to buy AT&T
> >Wireless.
>
> ... That'd be one way to get the real estate to expand the GSM network --
> put a mini-cell in every McD's in the country. Failing that, they could
> just put a CDMA jammer in them.
>
> -
> David Streeter, "an internet god" -- Dave Barry
> http://home.att.net/~dwstreeter
> Expect a train on ANY track at ANY time.
> "If life was fair, Elvis would be alive and all the impersonators would be
> dead." - Johnny Carson
>

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:54:53 GMT, "Trey" <[email protected]> chose
to add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:

>"David S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:30:58 -0800, Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo> chose to
>> add this to the great equation of life, the universe, and everything:
>>
>> >On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:57 -0500, "Azul" <[email protected]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>Is it true DT is trying to sell T-Mobile? Why did they ever buy
>Voicestream?
>> >
>> >It's true. It's also true that McDonald's is trying to buy AT&T
>> >Wireless.
>>
>> ... That'd be one way to get the real estate to expand the GSM network --
>> put a mini-cell in every McD's in the country. Failing that, they could
>> just put a CDMA jammer in them.
>>
>I believe they would get better coverage if the installed them in all the
>Starbucks here in California.

Not just California. There are too many Starbuckses to count right here in
my town in the Chicago suburbs.

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David S wrote:


> ... That'd be one way to get the real estate to expand the GSM network --
> put a mini-cell in every McD's in the country. Failing that, they could
> just put a CDMA jammer in them.

1. I think McD's wants to stick to (mostly) legal business models.

2. Wasn't CDMA a military invention meant to be *resistant* to jamming?


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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:11:08 -0500, Isaiah Beard
<[email protected]> posted to alt.cellular.verizon:

>2. Wasn't CDMA a military invention meant to be *resistant* to jamming?

Pretty much. Jamming is just noise to a CDMA receiver, and it's
designed to operate in the presence of noise (the other CDMA phones on
the channel are also noise).