what can you do with a T610?

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:04:04 +0800, "stan" <[email protected]> wrote
some stuff about "what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to add
the following:

>Wife wants to get one.
>Can u downloads files to phone? like pictures and tones from PC?
>how is the general comment in comparison to NK 7250
>views and comments please.

Well... for me 7250 is not even a competitor. 7250 does not have e-mail and
does not have bluetooth. That would make it 'end-of-story' for me right then
and there. Also of course the screen is much smaller. T610's screen is not
very bright though, so get T630 if you want that fixed. It looks nicer too I
think.

Note that Nokia does make phones that run circles around T610/T630 in terms of
functionality but none of those are small-sized stylish lady-phones. (6600
or 3660 for example)

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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:09:45 +0800, "Webseller" <[email protected]> wrote
some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like to
add the following:

>1. Build In Camera.

Yes it sucks. Then again, any other phone camera currently on the market
isn't exactly stellar either, just marginally better. Overall low quality
across all brands makes 'camera' a bit of a non-issue when deciding on phones.
In other words: If T610/T630's camera was either the same quality as N 6600 OR
was completely omitted altogether, this would not affect my opinion by one
little tiny bit.

>2. Syn Software with Computer.
> Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. It
>comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook maintainance.

Err I think you're wrong there. On the issue of synchronizing (as well as
anything else connectivity related) I think the T610/T630 has the edge over
any Nokia phone including 6600. The Nokia PC Suite is a total dog of an
application that requires you first establishing a virtual bluetooth serial
connection, which doesn't work very reliably in itself. T610/630 however has
'PIM Synchronization' BUILT IN as one if the bluetooth services it supports
natively!! So to syncronize, all you have to do is make sure bluetooth is
turned on, and then right click the bluetooth tray icon on your PC and select
'Synchronize'!! Sony Ericsson software doesn't even come into it! Flawless
bluetooth is one of the strong points of Sony Ericsson in my opinion, not just
for synchronizing either, but also head-sets and dial-up internet networking
all work far less quirky on Sony Ericsson phones.

>3. Transfer of pictures/ringing tone.
> After taking picture with the build in camera, we, of course, would want
>to save it somewhere right ? The only way to save it is to send it ONE BY
>ONE from the phone interface to your laptop/pc with infra.

Right, that sucks. Nokia 6600 alows you to hold the little edit button and
then 'drag' down the list to select multiple items of whatever it is you're
looking at, be it e-mails or pictures or ringtones. Mind you though, Nokia
does NOT support sending ringtones and games by bluetooth!! The bastards
maybe have some deal with content providers?? Of course there's ways to get
around that, like using a 3rd party file manager.

Another weak point of T610/T630 I find the lack of cut/copy/paste (clipboard)
support in notes, messages or e-mails. In Nokia 6600 you can select text, just
like you would on a computer, and then cut/copy and paste it somewhere else,
even in a different application.

>I am not
>complaining about the Infra transfer. I am terribly disappointed that
>there's no software that comes with Sony Erisson to COPY all the pictures
>from the phone to the pc.

Well, I think the memory on T610 is so limited and the camera quality is so
limited that this is hardly an issue. :-)

>The only way around this is to get
>yourself a BLUETOOTH dongle, then u can treat the phone as a external drive,
>and do a copy all files to your pc, and then delete all files from it.

Really you can do that!!!!!? That's GREAT!!!! Because with Nokia 6600 you
CAN'T!!! While it supports the Bluetooth OBEX file transfer, you only get to
see those files that you previously sent to the phone! You can't navigate the
whole file/folder structure. Again an example of the FAR superior
connectivity implementation on T610/T630.

>but
>there's NO WAY you can do it without BUYING the bluetooth dongle for your
>comptuer.

Well, I think getting one is pretty much a basic necessity of life. Like:
"air", "water", "food", "bluetooth dongle" in that order. :-) They cost like
what, 25 Euros or something. Far easier and faster to use than linging up
infrared or fiddling with cables.

>That sums the pc-handphone interface of T610. Sucks BIG TIME. But,
>if u don't use it together with a computer, of course, these lousy
>unfeatures won't bother u.

We disagree here.. I also toyed around with a GREAT themes application that
allows downloading, editing and uploading your own themes to the phone. Very,
very nice software that, and works flawless through bluetooth.

>4. Phone Look and feel.
> The phone itself look nice, BUT once u start using it, u'll realise that
>this is a display phone, and not a phone to be use. Basically, ur
>fingerprint will just smudge the phone surface everytime u use it.

T630. Nice and clean. Very Apple-computer like. Anyway a phone is a tool; I
recommend getting it scratched and dirty. Adds character. :-)

>And worst of all, the cover is not changable. So it's not a
>simple affair of buying a new cover with u scratch the surface of the phone.

You get get new casings for it. I've seen them around. Not a cheapo Xpress-on
cover, but a shop can change the whole case for you. Seen some nice colors too
in dark blue and red. I would assume the same will happen for T630.

>Thought of protecting the phone with a plastic phone cover, BAD CHOICE. the
>plastic cover rub against the Phone, and causes small round scratches all
>over the phone.

I use an old sock. ;-)

>5. Phone interface
> Now, we are not talking about the menu, but the SPEED of the interface.
>Can u imagine pressing a button, or maneurvering the joystick, and the
>reaction of the action u just did come out 1 sec later ?

Yes, I agree. I would gladly trade in some of the 65000 color cutesy blurb
graphics if it meant that the phone would respond instantly. The phone's CPU
seems not completely up to the job. Here Nokia Symbian phones win hands down.
The added CPU power also enables web browsing and some pretty amazing 3D
games.

>8. Ringing tone.
> The ringing tone is just damm soft. Even at loudest, it's so much softer
>than nokia phone ( Put them side by side to compare),

Don't agree. Some midi ringtones are just louder than others. Some sound
louder on Nokia, others sound HORRIBLE on Nokia but crisp and loud on T630. It
has more sound channels too I think, though for me Nokia is equally adequate.
Just use a really annoying tone for your ringtone, like the Digirain ringtone.
God that makes you want to answer the call ASAP..

>9. Screen
> Try looking at the screen when u are out in the open and the sun's up.

T630. That matrix-screen on T610 was a seriously bad idea. (Though I supposed
it was less battery hungry. With the light of T630 you can comfortably read a
newspaper in pitch black darkness. ;-)

>You can't see the screen at all, can't really see even if u try using ur
>hand to cover the screen and peeping through them. But then again, this
>might be a problem with all coloured phone.

Not T630 anymore. Samsung is nice too in that respect. Nokia slightly less so
but still very adequate.

>Off hand, these are the main things that i find that the phone sucks in.
>Really regretted getting this phone.
>
>My main requirement of the phone would be,
>1. Bluetooth Connection.
>2. Good PC-Phone linkage software so that i can better manage my phone from
>the PC, e.g. Maintaining a backup, maintaining sms, phonebook, calendar,
>etc.
>3. Faster User Interface.
>4. Good Casing that doesn't get smudge/scratches easily, or at least can be
>change easily when scratched.
>5. Size ard the same as T610/Nokia 8310, 8210, etc.
>Would be good if it comes with these other functions.
>1. Camera with Video.
>2. Can add on memory on the fly (that means don't have to shut down the
>phone, take out cover, take out battery, then change mem card).
>3. Polyphonic LOUD ringing tone.
>
>Anyone can tell me which phone actually fit this criteria ?

Aside from the size and adding memory on the fly: Nokia 6600 !!

Actually I think you forgot one more bad point about the T610/630: That little
joystick!! It's just not very accurate and comfortable to use, I often go in
the wrong direction than intended. (Especially center press down) Here I like
the D-pad layout MUCH better, say Z600 or even Nokia 3650/3660

>Somebody told me siemen phone's quite good in this, any siemen's user wanna
>comments ?

I think Siemens sucks. Tiny little screens and fiddly keys. yuck.

Hi Sebby,

thus spoke Sebby:
[...eulogy to T610]
> This sums it up perfectly :-)

Not really. You have to mention the disadvantages, too: At
first, the T610 has _very_ poor reception. Referring to this, my
ME45 is _much_ better. Moreover you can not see, if there was a
call or message in absence: After a short while the screen gets
dark again and you see absolutely nothing - the phone just sits
there, well knowing that there was a call, but it will not tell
you till you activate it. Very annoying. And even if you're
around, you may not hear it, as the ringing tones are way to
soft. Last but not least, the battery: Due to the big color
display, it lasts just half the time, my ME45 does.

IOW: If you need a phone for nothing else than just good-
looking, the T610 is perfect. Buy a vitrine or a showcase to
protect it (it is _VERY_ susceptible), and you'll be happy with
it. But if you want to use it, perhaps even make (or get) a
call from time to time, too, forget it. Especially if you live
or travel in bad covered regions.

Greets, Dirk

"Webseller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
|
| 2. Syn Software with Computer.
| Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't. It
| comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook maintainance.


Wrong. The T610 can sync without the use of any software using its built in
PIM sync.


| 3. Transfer of pictures/ringing tone.
| After taking picture with the build in camera, we, of course, would
want
| to save it somewhere right ? The only way to save it is to send it ONE BY
| ONE from the phone interface to your laptop/pc

Correction again. Browse using the PC side and you can select all the OBEX
files you want (including all of them) and transfer them at once.

hi,

i bought the t610, used it for 1 week and sold it.

why?

1. navigation is SLOW. Everytime you press something, there's delay before
it goes to the next submenu.
2. navigation is very "cheong-hei" (long winded). like to send an sms, you
almost have to press/move the buttons through 3-5 different pages before you
can actually go to the send message page. Then there's the delay when typing
smses.

If you are a "only use phone to talk" and sms only sometimes, get it. It
looks great (but always have to clean it due to oil on face that smears on
phone shiny surface).

If you are the type that likes to play with functions / games / sms... don't
get it.

it will irritate you.

"Dirk G. Straka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Sebby,
>
> thus spoke Sebby:
> [...eulogy to T610]
> > This sums it up perfectly :-)
>
> Not really. You have to mention the disadvantages, too:

True.

> At
> first, the T610 has _very_ poor reception.

I don't agree. The T610 is just a little more "honest" regarding the signal
strangth than most other handsets. It is quicker than some to proclaim that
it has no coverage, but when it does show minimal signal strength, it will
make a call whereas a Nokia for example may be showing one or two bars but
can't make a call.

> Referring to this, my
> ME45 is _much_ better. Moreover you can not see, if there was a
> call or message in absence: After a short while the screen gets
> dark again and you see absolutely nothing - the phone just sits
> there, well knowing that there was a call, but it will not tell
> you till you activate it. Very annoying.

And much the same as virtually all colour screen phones. I don't see any
reason why the manufacturers couldn't implement a "missed call" message to
replace the clock screensaver.

> And even if you're
> around, you may not hear it, as the ringing tones are way to
> soft.

Now that comment is just plain rubbish. Digirain has got to be one of the
loudest ring tones I've ever heard.

> Last but not least, the battery: Due to the big color
> display, it lasts just half the time, my ME45 does.

True, but your ME-45 has a mono screen. Considering the size of the T610
screen, battery life is pretty good. I regularly get 5 days plus out of
mine with approx 20 minutes of calls per day.

>
> IOW: If you need a phone for nothing else than just good-
> looking, the T610 is perfect. Buy a vitrine or a showcase to
> protect it (it is _VERY_ susceptible), and you'll be happy with
> it. But if you want to use it, perhaps even make (or get) a
> call from time to time, too, forget it. Especially if you live
> or travel in bad covered regions.

Again, I don't agree. My T610 is about six months old now, never been in a
carry case, but just gets slung into my pocket. There are no marks or
scratches on it, but the black screen surround does pick up every finger
mark. Reliablity has been second to none, and making & receiving calls both
on the handset and via BlueTooth absolutely trouble free.

IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money.

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Hi Richard,

thus spoke Richard Colton, citing me:
[...]
> > At first, the T610 has _very_ poor reception.
> I don't agree.

Doesn't matter. ;o) The difference is not just felt or assumed,
it's measurable.

> The T610 is just a little more "honest" regarding the signal
> strangth than most other handsets.

LOL - very well phrased. *grin*

No, it's definitely a problem of reception. It happened more
than once that my girlfriend's T610 even refuses to connect to
the network (same provider!) where I was still able to make and
get calls - w/o any problem! Especially at her office, where
she gets nothing else than "Emergency calls only" (due to metal
coated isolating glass). But my ME45 works properly.

Perhaps your Nokia is as bad as the T610? ;o)

> > Moreover you can not see, if there was a call or message in
> > absence: After a short while the screen gets dark again and
> > you see absolutely nothing - the phone just sits there, well
> > knowing that there was a call, but it will not tell you till
> > you activate it. Very annoying.
> And much the same as virtually all colour screen phones.

Some of them show a small light. To make it even worse: The
T610 already _has_ such a light (in the joystick), but makes no
use of it. Very strange.

> I don't see any reason why the manufacturers couldn't implement
> a "missed call" message to replace the clock screensaver.

Perhaps because you don't even see the T610's clock if the screen
saver (which is in fact "Screen Off") is active. /

> > And even if you're around, you may not hear it, as the ringing
> > tones are way to soft.
> Now that comment is just plain rubbish. Digirain has got to be
> one of the loudest ring tones I've ever heard.

Digirain? Nevertheless: If you want to hear a _LOUD_ ringtone,
just put my ME45 next to your ear ... *veg*

> > Last but not least, the battery: Due to the big color display,
> > it lasts just half the time, my ME45 does.
> True, but your ME-45 has a mono screen.

Never missed color while speaking ... but color seems to be
very nice. Especially when the battery is empty again - while
I'm still online. Monochrome, ok, but active. That's what a
_phone_ is for, isn't it?

[...]
> IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money.

No, it's just a damn good (looking) design object for the money.

Greets, Dirk

nothing ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

> 1. navigation is SLOW. Everytime you press something, there's delay
> before it goes to the next submenu.

You never tried a T68, did you?

> 2. navigation is very "cheong-hei" (long winded). like to send an sms,
> you almost have to press/move the buttons through 3-5 different pages
> before you can actually go to the send message page.

No, all you need to do is move the joystick left to write a new SMS. It
manages to keep up with my SMS typing, with T9 on.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

> No, all you need to do is move the joystick left to write a new SMS. It
> manages to keep up with my SMS typing, with T9 on.

Joystick-left actually takes you to your first shortcut which may or may
not be *Write New*. I think you'll find that the manual is also wrong in
this respect.
--
Paul White
[[email protected]]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

> No, all you need to do is move the joystick left to write a new SMS. It
> manages to keep up with my SMS typing, with T9 on.

Joystick-left actually takes you to your first shortcut which may or may
not be *Write New* - you can change the order. I think you'll find that
the manual is also wrong in this respect.
--
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[[email protected]]

"Dirk G. Straka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Richard,
>
> thus spoke Richard Colton, citing me:
> [...]
> > > At first, the T610 has _very_ poor reception.
> > I don't agree.
>
> Doesn't matter. ;o) The difference is not just felt or assumed,
> it's measurable.

Err.. yeah, that's what I implied. But my T610 is no worse than any other
phone I've owned (which is a fair few).
>
> > The T610 is just a little more "honest" regarding the signal
> > strangth than most other handsets.
>
> LOL - very well phrased. *grin*

I thought so. :-)

>
> No, it's definitely a problem of reception. It happened more
> than once that my girlfriend's T610 even refuses to connect to
> the network (same provider!) where I was still able to make and
> get calls - w/o any problem! Especially at her office, where
> she gets nothing else than "Emergency calls only" (due to metal
> coated isolating glass). But my ME45 works properly.

I'd get it looked at then, because it must be faulty if reception is that
bad. Mine works just as well as most other handsets, but as with anything
else, you'll always find that something is better or worse in any given
situation.

>
> Perhaps your Nokia is as bad as the T610? ;o)

Which one? I own fifteen of them - they can't all be faulty.

>
> > > Moreover you can not see, if there was a call or message in
> > > absence: After a short while the screen gets dark again and
> > > you see absolutely nothing - the phone just sits there, well
> > > knowing that there was a call, but it will not tell you till
> > > you activate it. Very annoying.
> > And much the same as virtually all colour screen phones.
>
> Some of them show a small light. To make it even worse: The
> T610 already _has_ such a light (in the joystick), but makes no
> use of it. Very strange.


Yup, couldn't agree more here.

>
> > I don't see any reason why the manufacturers couldn't implement
> > a "missed call" message to replace the clock screensaver.
>
> Perhaps because you don't even see the T610's clock if the screen
> saver (which is in fact "Screen Off") is active. /

It is bad, but press one of the up or down buttons on the side of the phone
and the clock half-illuminates.

>
> > > And even if you're around, you may not hear it, as the ringing
> > > tones are way to soft.
> > Now that comment is just plain rubbish. Digirain has got to be
> > one of the loudest ring tones I've ever heard.
>
> Digirain? Nevertheless: If you want to hear a _LOUD_ ringtone,
> just put my ME45 next to your ear ... *veg*

Still not as loud as Digrain IMHO.

>
> > > Last but not least, the battery: Due to the big color display,
> > > it lasts just half the time, my ME45 does.
> > True, but your ME-45 has a mono screen.
>
> Never missed color while speaking ... but color seems to be
> very nice. Especially when the battery is empty again - while
> I'm still online. Monochrome, ok, but active. That's what a
> _phone_ is for, isn't it?

Right, so you don't text or anything else on your phone? Handsets evolve.
Any handset is a compromise between form & function. At the moment, the
T610 represents a good balance, but not without it's flaws.

>
> [...]
> > IMHO the T610 is a damn good phone for the money.
>
> No, it's just a damn good (looking) design object for the money.

No, that's just your biased opinion.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> nothing ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
> > 1. navigation is SLOW. Everytime you press something, there's delay
> > before it goes to the next submenu.
>
> You never tried a T68, did you?

That's beside the point; what you're saying is that the t68 is even
worse.

> > 2. navigation is very "cheong-hei" (long winded). like to send an sms,
> > you almost have to press/move the buttons through 3-5 different pages
> > before you can actually go to the send message page.
>
> No, all you need to do is move the joystick left to write a new SMS. It
> manages to keep up with my SMS typing, with T9 on.

He's not talking about getting to the editing page, he's on about
navigating through the menus to pick the recipient and send.
My T610 has 'elastic' operation throughout, including during message
composition - with or without T9.
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> | 2. Syn Software with Computer.
> | Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't.
It
> | comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook
maintainance.
>
>
> Wrong. The T610 can sync without the use of any software using its built
in
> PIM sync.

You ever try backup up ur SMSs ? U sure u dun't need to install any
software on ur pc ? And last of all, ever try to do a full phone backup
and restoration using the software that comes with the phone ?

>
>
> | 3. Transfer of pictures/ringing tone.
> | After taking picture with the build in camera, we, of course, would
> want
> | to save it somewhere right ? The only way to save it is to send it ONE
BY
> | ONE from the phone interface to your laptop/pc
>
> Correction again. Browse using the PC side and you can select all the OBEX
> files you want (including all of them) and transfer them at once.
I did mention it can be done in my message, WITH a blue tooth dongle.
but not using the IR.

> Err I think you're wrong there. On the issue of synchronizing (as well as
> anything else connectivity related) I think the T610/T630 has the edge
over
> any Nokia phone including 6600. The Nokia PC Suite is a total dog of an
> application that requires you first establishing a virtual bluetooth
serial
> connection, which doesn't work very reliably in itself. T610/630 however
has
> 'PIM Synchronization' BUILT IN as one if the bluetooth services it
supports
> natively!! So to syncronize, all you have to do is make sure bluetooth is
> turned on, and then right click the bluetooth tray icon on your PC and
select
> 'Synchronize'!! Sony Ericsson software doesn't even come into it!
Flawless
> bluetooth is one of the strong points of Sony Ericsson in my opinion, not
just
> for synchronizing either, but also head-sets and dial-up internet
networking
> all work far less quirky on Sony Ericsson phones.
I believe that'll only syn your phonebook and calander. It's does not
syn everything.
Not the phone settings, Not the SMSs, etc.
Tried using the Moblie Agent in Chrissorg. It work so much better. But
only complains is that is the bluetooth interface only works with a MSI
bluetooth dongle, mine's a belkin's.

> Really you can do that!!!!!? That's GREAT!!!! Because with Nokia 6600
you
> CAN'T!!! While it supports the Bluetooth OBEX file transfer, you only get
to
> see those files that you previously sent to the phone! You can't navigate
the
> whole file/folder structure. Again an example of the FAR superior
> connectivity implementation on T610/T630.
Let me do some correction. There's only 3 things u can copy in/out from the
phone. Each in it's own folder.
1. Pictures. And you can't even delete some of the default pictures that
came with the phone that's taking up spaces.
2. Ringing Tone - In Midi Format
3. Theme - Set ur theme for the whole phone.

How do u backup ur game from the phone ?

> You get get new casings for it. I've seen them around. Not a cheapo
Xpress-on
> cover, but a shop can change the whole case for you. Seen some nice colors
too
> in dark blue and red. I would assume the same will happen for T630.
>
Problely cost you a new phone for the casing, and also void your warrenty
for the phone at the same time.

> Don't agree. Some midi ringtones are just louder than others. Some sound
> louder on Nokia, others sound HORRIBLE on Nokia but crisp and loud on
T630. It
> has more sound channels too I think, though for me Nokia is equally
adequate.
> Just use a really annoying tone for your ringtone, like the Digirain
ringtone.
> God that makes you want to answer the call ASAP..
Nope. Same Midi Ringtone, compared with Nokia 6100, Nokia sound louder,
clearer. T610 Sounds much softer.
Also, is there anyway to make it such that the T610 play the midi according
to what the midi is ? Instead of trying to be a smart ass by having a 2-4sec
fading in of the Midi ? It's so damm bloody soft that most of the time the
phone ring w/o me knowing, and by the time i can pick it up, the other party
hang up.


Agree with you, from a quick comparision with my friend's Nokia 6600, the
6600 seems so much better.
Camera quality better, interface speed faster, etc.

Regards.

"Chanchao" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:09:45 +0800, "Webseller" <[email protected]>
wrote
> some stuff about "Re: what can you do with a T610?", to which I would like
to
> add the following:
>
> >1. Build In Camera.
>
> Yes it sucks. Then again, any other phone camera currently on the market
> isn't exactly stellar either, just marginally better. Overall low quality
> across all brands makes 'camera' a bit of a non-issue when deciding on
phones.
> In other words: If T610/T630's camera was either the same quality as N
6600 OR
> was completely omitted altogether, this would not affect my opinion by one
> little tiny bit.
>
> >2. Syn Software with Computer.
> > Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't.
It
> >comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook
maintainance.
>
> Err I think you're wrong there. On the issue of synchronizing (as well as
> anything else connectivity related) I think the T610/T630 has the edge
over
> any Nokia phone including 6600. The Nokia PC Suite is a total dog of an
> application that requires you first establishing a virtual bluetooth
serial
> connection, which doesn't work very reliably in itself. T610/630 however
has
> 'PIM Synchronization' BUILT IN as one if the bluetooth services it
supports
> natively!! So to syncronize, all you have to do is make sure bluetooth is
> turned on, and then right click the bluetooth tray icon on your PC and
select
> 'Synchronize'!! Sony Ericsson software doesn't even come into it!
Flawless
> bluetooth is one of the strong points of Sony Ericsson in my opinion, not
just
> for synchronizing either, but also head-sets and dial-up internet
networking
> all work far less quirky on Sony Ericsson phones.
>
> >3. Transfer of pictures/ringing tone.
> > After taking picture with the build in camera, we, of course, would
want
> >to save it somewhere right ? The only way to save it is to send it ONE BY
> >ONE from the phone interface to your laptop/pc with infra.
>
> Right, that sucks. Nokia 6600 alows you to hold the little edit button
and
> then 'drag' down the list to select multiple items of whatever it is
you're
> looking at, be it e-mails or pictures or ringtones. Mind you though,
Nokia
> does NOT support sending ringtones and games by bluetooth!! The bastards
> maybe have some deal with content providers?? Of course there's ways to
get
> around that, like using a 3rd party file manager.
>
> Another weak point of T610/T630 I find the lack of cut/copy/paste
(clipboard)
> support in notes, messages or e-mails. In Nokia 6600 you can select text,
just
> like you would on a computer, and then cut/copy and paste it somewhere
else,
> even in a different application.
>
> >I am not
> >complaining about the Infra transfer. I am terribly disappointed that
> >there's no software that comes with Sony Erisson to COPY all the pictures
> >from the phone to the pc.
>
> Well, I think the memory on T610 is so limited and the camera quality is
so
> limited that this is hardly an issue. :-)
>
> >The only way around this is to get
> >yourself a BLUETOOTH dongle, then u can treat the phone as a external
drive,
> >and do a copy all files to your pc, and then delete all files from it.
>
> Really you can do that!!!!!? That's GREAT!!!! Because with Nokia 6600
you
> CAN'T!!! While it supports the Bluetooth OBEX file transfer, you only get
to
> see those files that you previously sent to the phone! You can't navigate
the
> whole file/folder structure. Again an example of the FAR superior
> connectivity implementation on T610/T630.
>
> >but
> >there's NO WAY you can do it without BUYING the bluetooth dongle for your
> >comptuer.
>
> Well, I think getting one is pretty much a basic necessity of life. Like:
> "air", "water", "food", "bluetooth dongle" in that order. :-) They cost
like
> what, 25 Euros or something. Far easier and faster to use than linging up
> infrared or fiddling with cables.
>
> >That sums the pc-handphone interface of T610. Sucks BIG TIME. But,
> >if u don't use it together with a computer, of course, these lousy
> >unfeatures won't bother u.
>
> We disagree here.. I also toyed around with a GREAT themes application
that
> allows downloading, editing and uploading your own themes to the phone.
Very,
> very nice software that, and works flawless through bluetooth.
>
> >4. Phone Look and feel.
> > The phone itself look nice, BUT once u start using it, u'll realise
that
> >this is a display phone, and not a phone to be use. Basically, ur
> >fingerprint will just smudge the phone surface everytime u use it.
>
> T630. Nice and clean. Very Apple-computer like. Anyway a phone is a
tool; I
> recommend getting it scratched and dirty. Adds character. :-)
>
> >And worst of all, the cover is not changable. So it's not a
> >simple affair of buying a new cover with u scratch the surface of the
phone.
>
> You get get new casings for it. I've seen them around. Not a cheapo
Xpress-on
> cover, but a shop can change the whole case for you. Seen some nice colors
too
> in dark blue and red. I would assume the same will happen for T630.
>
> >Thought of protecting the phone with a plastic phone cover, BAD CHOICE.
the
> >plastic cover rub against the Phone, and causes small round scratches all
> >over the phone.
>
> I use an old sock. ;-)
>
> >5. Phone interface
> > Now, we are not talking about the menu, but the SPEED of the
interface.
> >Can u imagine pressing a button, or maneurvering the joystick, and the
> >reaction of the action u just did come out 1 sec later ?
>
> Yes, I agree. I would gladly trade in some of the 65000 color cutesy blurb
> graphics if it meant that the phone would respond instantly. The phone's
CPU
> seems not completely up to the job. Here Nokia Symbian phones win hands
down.
> The added CPU power also enables web browsing and some pretty amazing 3D
> games.
>
> >8. Ringing tone.
> > The ringing tone is just damm soft. Even at loudest, it's so much
softer
> >than nokia phone ( Put them side by side to compare),
>
> Don't agree. Some midi ringtones are just louder than others. Some sound
> louder on Nokia, others sound HORRIBLE on Nokia but crisp and loud on
T630. It
> has more sound channels too I think, though for me Nokia is equally
adequate.
> Just use a really annoying tone for your ringtone, like the Digirain
ringtone.
> God that makes you want to answer the call ASAP..
>
> >9. Screen
> > Try looking at the screen when u are out in the open and the sun's
up.
>
> T630. That matrix-screen on T610 was a seriously bad idea. (Though I
supposed
> it was less battery hungry. With the light of T630 you can comfortably
read a
> newspaper in pitch black darkness. ;-)
>
> >You can't see the screen at all, can't really see even if u try using ur
> >hand to cover the screen and peeping through them. But then again, this
> >might be a problem with all coloured phone.
>
> Not T630 anymore. Samsung is nice too in that respect. Nokia slightly less
so
> but still very adequate.
>
> >Off hand, these are the main things that i find that the phone sucks in.
> >Really regretted getting this phone.
> >
> >My main requirement of the phone would be,
> >1. Bluetooth Connection.
> >2. Good PC-Phone linkage software so that i can better manage my phone
from
> >the PC, e.g. Maintaining a backup, maintaining sms, phonebook, calendar,
> >etc.
> >3. Faster User Interface.
> >4. Good Casing that doesn't get smudge/scratches easily, or at least can
be
> >change easily when scratched.
> >5. Size ard the same as T610/Nokia 8310, 8210, etc.
> >Would be good if it comes with these other functions.
> >1. Camera with Video.
> >2. Can add on memory on the fly (that means don't have to shut down the
> >phone, take out cover, take out battery, then change mem card).
> >3. Polyphonic LOUD ringing tone.
> >
> >Anyone can tell me which phone actually fit this criteria ?
>
> Aside from the size and adding memory on the fly: Nokia 6600 !!
>
> Actually I think you forgot one more bad point about the T610/630: That
little
> joystick!! It's just not very accurate and comfortable to use, I often go
in
> the wrong direction than intended. (Especially center press down) Here I
like
> the D-pad layout MUCH better, say Z600 or even Nokia 3650/3660
>
> >Somebody told me siemen phone's quite good in this, any siemen's user
wanna
> >comments ?
>
> I think Siemens sucks. Tiny little screens and fiddly keys. yuck.
>
>

"Webseller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| > | 2. Syn Software with Computer.
| > | Unlike Nokia that comes with it's own Phone Manager, T610 doesn't.
| It
| > | comes with XTNDConnect PC to link up with PC to do phonebook
| maintainance.
| >
| >
| > Wrong. The T610 can sync without the use of any software using its built
| in
| > PIM sync.
|
| You ever try backup up ur SMSs ? U sure u dun't need to install any
| software on ur pc ? And last of all, ever try to do a full phone backup
| and restoration using the software that comes with the phone ?
|

For doing a full phone backup, the best thing to use is a tiny free file
called phonebackup from christersson.org that integrates with the software
that comes with the phone. Considerably easier and more complete than
fumbling with Nokia's extremely buggy suite.