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  1. #1
    Nicholas F Hodder
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    I have discovered that all outgoing calls made on my T610 via Bluetooth in
    my BMW X5 have been billed to line 1, even though my phone was switched to
    line 2. This means that I am charged by Orange for the outgoing calls on
    line 1, instead of the calls coming out of my line 2 inclusive minutes, so
    it is quite a problem.

    Does anyone know whether the bug is in the T610 or in the X5? Given that I
    paid the ridiculous price of ?689 for the Bluetooth factory option to be
    added to the X5, I hope that it's not a bug in BMW's software.

    For the benefit of those I have cross-posted this to, Orange (UK) is one of
    very few GSM networks in the world that offers line 2, which means that you
    have two lines on the same phone, with two separate mobile numbers. Most
    GSM phones support this feature, but it is invisible if your SIM card is not
    set up for line 2. On most phones, including the T610, you manually select
    which line outgoing calls will be made on, and an icon confirms this.
    Incoming calls can be received on either line without having to switch
    manually.





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  2. #2
    Newsreader
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    Re: Line 2 bug with T610 and BMW Bluetooth

    In article <[email protected]>, Nicholas F Hodder
    <[email protected]> writes

    >I have discovered that all outgoing calls made on my T610 via Bluetooth in
    >my BMW X5 have been billed to line 1, even though my phone was switched to
    >line 2. This means that I am charged by Orange for the outgoing calls on
    >line 1, instead of the calls coming out of my line 2 inclusive minutes, so
    >it is quite a problem.


    >Does anyone know whether the bug is in the T610 or in the X5? Given that I
    >paid the ridiculous price of ?689 for the Bluetooth factory option to be
    >added to the X5, I hope that it's not a bug in BMW's software.


    >For the benefit of those I have cross-posted this to, Orange (UK) is one of
    >very few GSM networks in the world that offers line 2, which means that you
    >have two lines on the same phone, with two separate mobile numbers. Most
    >GSM phones support this feature, but it is invisible if your SIM card is not
    >set up for line 2. On most phones, including the T610, you manually select
    >which line outgoing calls will be made on, and an icon confirms this.
    >Incoming calls can be received on either line without having to switch
    >manually.


    I believe the same has occurred to me, this past month. BMW X3, their
    integrated Bluetooth car preparation (load of rubbish in all honesty), a
    T630 and Orange SIM with OVP Virgin L1, Chat 60 L2. I had the phone set
    to Line 2 but all the calls I made have been billed to L1. Unfortunately
    I cannot test it again since I have had L2 removed in recent days.

    Visit www.bmwland.co.uk and search for Bluetooth for the best source of
    information on the BMW Bluetooth car kit. However it works with very few
    phones and I cannot get it to work with my T630 at the moment. It
    continuously says "Please Wait" when I try to view the address book. I
    think this may be because I have started to put multiple phone numbers
    under one contact. **In your experience, can the BMW car kit cope with
    multiple numbers under one contact?** I have a T610 I can test as well,
    but fear the problem will still occur.

    Another problem I have experienced is total loss of audio during a call.
    This blocks the sound system from working too (i.e. CD, radio). I have
    to switch the car off and on again to fix it.

    I'm going to approach my BMW Dealership with the problems in the near
    future, once I have done some more tests and compiled a list. If no
    solutions are forthcoming, I may consider having it removed.

    If you want to discuss it further, please reply here or I'll email you
    at your consent.



  3. #3
    Jon Pitts
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    Re: Line 2 bug with T610 and BMW Bluetooth


    "Nicholas F Hodder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I have discovered that all outgoing calls made on my T610 via Bluetooth in
    > my BMW X5 have been billed to line 1, even though my phone was switched to
    > line 2. This means that I am charged by Orange for the outgoing calls on
    > line 1, instead of the calls coming out of my line 2 inclusive minutes, so
    > it is quite a problem.
    >
    >


    If this is the "feature" I think it is, the issue is the last-number
    redialled list.

    Lets say for example that you last dialled number 020 12345678 from Line 2.
    Despite being on Line 1, you choose to redial from your last-number-redial
    list. The phone will pick up the "details" of that call, specifically Line
    2, and dial out on Line 2.

    Try dialling the call directly, and it'll behave as expected - dialling out
    from Line 1.

    I could be off-base, but does this fit with your experience?

    Regards

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  4. #4
    Nicholas F Hodder
    Guest

    Re: Line 2 bug with T610 and BMW Bluetooth

    "Jon Pitts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Nicholas F Hodder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> I have discovered that all outgoing calls made on my T610 via Bluetooth
    >> in
    >> my BMW X5 have been billed to line 1, even though my phone was switched
    >> to
    >> line 2. This means that I am charged by Orange for the outgoing calls on
    >> line 1, instead of the calls coming out of my line 2 inclusive minutes,
    >> so
    >> it is quite a problem.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > If this is the "feature" I think it is, the issue is the last-number
    > redialled list.
    >
    > Lets say for example that you last dialled number 020 12345678 from Line
    > 2.
    > Despite being on Line 1, you choose to redial from your last-number-redial
    > list. The phone will pick up the "details" of that call, specifically Line
    > 2, and dial out on Line 2.
    >
    > Try dialling the call directly, and it'll behave as expected - dialling
    > out
    > from Line 1.
    >
    > I could be off-base, but does this fit with your experience?


    No, I am not using last number redial. I am dialling from the synchronised
    phone book on the car's display, and it always dials out on line 1, even if
    the phone is set to line 2. If I dial from the phone itself, then it dials
    out on line 2, but the sound doesn't come out anywhere, either on the car's
    speaker or on the phone itself. I can receive calls on line 1 or line 2
    with no problem.





  5. #5
    Dori A Schmetterling
    Guest

    Re: Line 2 bug with T610 and BMW Bluetooth

    Slight tangent:

    In general I would not use any of the fancy features on any one phone. The
    handset may not recognise them on the transferred SIM card. I mean things
    like multiple numbers for one contact (business, home etc). There is (or
    was) no standard mapping.

    Faced this problen when moving between Motorola and Nokia.

    Heaven know if my factory-fitted car kit with cradle, steering-wheel
    controls and dashoard display of SIM card contents could handle them. I am
    not bohered to try. (It's not BMW but I am sure the principle holds.)

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "Newsreader" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    [...]
    > continuously says "Please Wait" when I try to view the address book. I
    > think this may be because I have started to put multiple phone numbers
    > under one contact. **In your experience, can the BMW car kit cope with
    > multiple numbers under one contact?** I have a T610 I can test as well,
    > but fear the problem will still occur.

    [...]





  6. #6
    Nicholas F Hodder
    Guest

    Re: Line 2 bug with T610 and BMW Bluetooth

    "Dori A Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Slight tangent:
    >
    > In general I would not use any of the fancy features on any one phone.
    > The handset may not recognise them on the transferred SIM card. I mean
    > things like multiple numbers for one contact (business, home etc). There
    > is (or was) no standard mapping.


    The normal way now to store contacts is in the phone's memory, not on the
    SIM card. You can then synchronise your phone's phonebook with your PC's
    address book (e.g. MS Outlook), and so when you get a new phone, you simply
    synchronise the new phone with your PC. This means you no longer need to
    store your contacts on the SIM card, as your phone's memory is always backed
    up to your PC.

    BMW Bluetooth however, synchronises both the phone's memory and the SIM card
    to the car's address book.





  7. #7
    Dori A Schmetterling
    Guest

    Re: Line 2 bug with T610 and BMW Bluetooth

    I synchronise my SIM card with my PC, using Nokia software. I need
    thousands of numbers on my phone.

    I see no need to copy to the handset's memory (or store in both) as I
    sometimes switch handsets.

    What one does all depends on personal useage patterns. So, if one switches
    handsets (away from a PC) once wants to keep it simple.

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "Nicholas F Hodder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "Dori A Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Slight tangent:
    >>
    >> In general I would not use any of the fancy features on any one phone.
    >> The handset may not recognise them on the transferred SIM card. I mean
    >> things like multiple numbers for one contact (business, home etc). There
    >> is (or was) no standard mapping.

    >
    > The normal way now to store contacts is in the phone's memory, not on the
    > SIM card. You can then synchronise your phone's phonebook with your PC's
    > address book (e.g. MS Outlook), and so when you get a new phone, you
    > simply synchronise the new phone with your PC. This means you no longer
    > need to store your contacts on the SIM card, as your phone's memory is
    > always backed up to your PC.
    >
    > BMW Bluetooth however, synchronises both the phone's memory and the SIM
    > card to the car's address book.
    >






  8. #8
    Dori A Schmetterling
    Guest

    Re: Line 2 bug with T610 and BMW Bluetooth

    ....I DON'T need thousands of numbers... sorry.

    DAS

    For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    ---

    "Dori A Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >I synchronise my SIM card with my PC, using Nokia software. I need
    >thousands of numbers on my phone.
    >
    > I see no need to copy to the handset's memory (or store in both) as I
    > sometimes switch handsets.
    >
    > What one does all depends on personal useage patterns. So, if one
    > switches handsets (away from a PC) once wants to keep it simple.
    >
    > DAS
    >
    > For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
    > ---
    >
    > "Nicholas F Hodder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> "Dori A Schmetterling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> Slight tangent:
    >>>
    >>> In general I would not use any of the fancy features on any one phone.
    >>> The handset may not recognise them on the transferred SIM card. I mean
    >>> things like multiple numbers for one contact (business, home etc).
    >>> There is (or was) no standard mapping.

    >>
    >> The normal way now to store contacts is in the phone's memory, not on the
    >> SIM card. You can then synchronise your phone's phonebook with your PC's
    >> address book (e.g. MS Outlook), and so when you get a new phone, you
    >> simply synchronise the new phone with your PC. This means you no longer
    >> need to store your contacts on the SIM card, as your phone's memory is
    >> always backed up to your PC.
    >>
    >> BMW Bluetooth however, synchronises both the phone's memory and the SIM
    >> card to the car's address book.
    >>

    >
    >






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