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  1. #16
    Ivan Herman
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    Re: New P990 review

    -------- Original Message --------
    From: Andy Turner <[email protected]>
    To:
    Subject: Re:New P990 review
    Date: 17/10/2005 17:55

    > On 13 Oct 2005 13:02:13 -0700, "veerags" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I was talking about the screen size.

    >
    >
    > 2.8" diagonal on both the P900/910 and the P990.
    >


    yes but part of the P990's screen is used by the keyboard, that is the problem...

    And the resolution is not a solution (although it helps). It gives the
    possibility to display much smaller characters, for example, but that makes it
    still difficult to read.

    I would still prefer a high resolution (like P990) with an external keyboard
    (like the P910i). It seems I will not get it...

    Ivan

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    > andyt
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  2. #17
    Andy Turner
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    Re: New P990 review

    On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:53:31 +0200, Ivan Herman <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >-------- Original Message --------
    >From: Andy Turner <[email protected]>
    >To:
    >Subject: Re:New P990 review
    >Date: 17/10/2005 17:55
    >
    >> On 13 Oct 2005 13:02:13 -0700, "veerags" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>I was talking about the screen size.

    >>
    >>
    >> 2.8" diagonal on both the P900/910 and the P990.
    >>

    >
    >yes but part of the P990's screen is used by the keyboard, that is the problem...


    Eh? No it isn't! The keyboard is a physical keyboard. The screen that
    sits above it is 2.8" diagonal, same as the P910. It's shorter, but
    it's wider.


    >And the resolution is not a solution (although it helps). It gives the
    >possibility to display much smaller characters, for example, but that makes it
    >still difficult to read.


    In theory I guess, but it depends how well they use the colours to do
    intelligent font smoothing (like on TrueType). The Treo has a hell of
    a resolution but is beautifully easy to read.


    >I would still prefer a high resolution (like P990) with an external keyboard
    >(like the P910i). It seems I will not get it...


    Perhaps if they get enough requests they'll consider it. Personally,
    half the reason I stuck with a P900 was that I didn't like the
    keyboard flip on the P910. I'm very much looking forward to the P990.



    andyt




  3. #18
    Danijel
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    Re: New P990 review


    P910 is the best


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  4. #19
    ilanshp
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    True, SE did made some design errors with the P990.

    The screen size was not reduced by much, but for users who want this as PDA (SE intend us to use it as PDA...) it is too much.

    In anycase, the issue here is: when browsing the net with the P990, the display will be landscape. How do any 1 should type URL? turn over the phone? - the keyboard is fixed on portrait.

    In anycase - by the time P990 will be released, it will be old phone supporting only UMTS while there will be phone who support both UMTS and HDSPA.
    Its also support only 802.11b

    if you are looking for PDA/Phone, get the imate K-JAM. True, it support only EDGE, but it have a larger screen, a better keyboard (landscape) and better wireless - 802.11b/g

    In anycase, by the time the P990 will be out, the HTC-Hermes will be out as well, supporting 802.11b/g, HDSPA and hell knows what more

    Ilan
    Ilan



  5. #20
    Oliver Brose
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    Re: New P990 review

    ilanshp schrieb:
    > True, SE did made some design errors with the P990.


    > Its also support only 802.11b


    One truly has to wonder whether someone in charge at SE lost his mind.
    11b is not last year's tech, it is tech from the last *millennium*. It
    seems ridiculous that the phone is delayed for this long, and then we
    get what? A cardscanner? WTF is WRONG with SE?!

    Oliver



  6. #21
    matt weber
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    Re: New P990 review

    On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:39:02 +0100, Oliver Brose <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >ilanshp schrieb:
    >> True, SE did made some design errors with the P990.

    >
    >> Its also support only 802.11b

    >
    >One truly has to wonder whether someone in charge at SE lost his mind.
    >11b is not last year's tech, it is tech from the last *millennium*. It
    >seems ridiculous that the phone is delayed for this long, and then we
    >get what? A cardscanner? WTF is WRONG with SE?!
    >
    >Oliver

    There isn't a good reason to use anything other than 11b. It is fully
    compatible with 11g, and there is no way the phone can make effective
    use of 54mb/sec, in fact it probably has a hard time making use of
    much more than a few hundred kb/sec.

    In short, what the hell difference does it make if it only supports
    802.11b?



  7. #22
    Oliver Brose
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    Re: New P990 review

    matt weber schrieb:

    > There isn't a good reason to use anything other than 11b. It is fully
    > compatible with 11g, and there is no way the phone can make effective
    > use of 54mb/sec, in fact it probably has a hard time making use of
    > much more than a few hundred kb/sec.
    >
    > In short, what the hell difference does it make if it only supports
    > 802.11b?


    It does if you want to use it in a 11g network (say as a remote for your
    stereo, or whatever) and do not want said network to fall back into
    11g/b mixedmode. Some people might actually need more than the 4-5Mbit
    of 11b realworld performance. If the P990i magically avoids the fallback
    please enligthen me with a source for this information, it would make my
    day.

    Oliver



  8. #23
    Taylor
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    Re: New P990 review

    "Oliver Brose" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > matt weber schrieb:
    >
    >> There isn't a good reason to use anything other than 11b. It is fully
    >> compatible with 11g, and there is no way the phone can make effective
    >> use of 54mb/sec, in fact it probably has a hard time making use of
    >> much more than a few hundred kb/sec.
    >>
    >> In short, what the hell difference does it make if it only supports
    >> 802.11b?

    >
    > It does if you want to use it in a 11g network (say as a remote for your
    > stereo, or whatever) and do not want said network to fall back into 11g/b
    > mixedmode. Some people might actually need more than the 4-5Mbit of 11b
    > realworld performance. If the P990i magically avoids the fallback please
    > enligthen me with a source for this information, it would make my day.


    I'd rather see the source of information which contains detailed information
    on how the hell the lousy p990 components would cope with 802.11g; uses more
    cpu-power (due to the way wireless is implemented in PDA's and the like),
    plus I can't see it utilising the max speeds available on g.





  9. #24
    Oliver Brose
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    Re: New P990 review

    Taylor schrieb:

    > I'd rather see the source of information which contains detailed information
    > on how the hell the lousy p990 components would cope with 802.11g; uses more
    > cpu-power (due to the way wireless is implemented in PDA's and the like),
    > plus I can't see it utilising the max speeds available on g.


    Good one *g*
    I don't give much about the how. I'm sure it would be well possible to
    implement a manual option for the standard. Use 11b to save power, use
    11g when you need it. My, it might even just simulate is has 11g and
    internally limit to 11Mbit, just as long as it doesn't need a 11b/g
    mixedmode network. It is not about the speed available on the phone, it
    is about the phone choking the network.

    Oliver



  10. #25
    ilanshp
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    Re: New P990 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver Brose
    Taylor schrieb:
    Good one *g*
    I don't give much about the how. I'm sure it would be well possible to
    implement a manual option for the standard. Use 11b to save power, use
    11g when you need it.
    Oliver
    Sorry for my ignorance, but the P990 support only 11b, how can you use 11g if it's not available on the phone?
    If it's only software upgrade, then it's ok, but if it is hardware issue then 11g is just not available in any case.

    again, the phone won't support HDSPA. This is a hardware issue.
    SE stated: "3G - speed is the issue"
    This is taken from their website...
    Well, if it's an issue, UMTS is not the newest tech and for a 1000$ phone who suppose to be the leading device it just aint enough
    Ilan



  11. #26
    Oliver Brose
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    Re: New P990 review

    ilanshp schrieb:
    > Oliver Brose Wrote:
    >> Taylor schrieb:
    >> Good one *g*
    >> I don't give much about the how. I'm sure it would be well possible to
    >> implement a manual option for the standard. Use 11b to save power, use
    >> 11g when you need it.
    >> Oliver

    >
    > Sorry for my ignorance, but the P990 support only 11b, how can you use
    > 11g if it's not available on the phone?
    > If it's only software upgrade, then it's ok, but if it is hardware
    > issue then 11g is just not available in any case.


    Exactly. My idea was that they *should* have implemented 11g hardware
    that one can set to one's liking instead.

    Oliver



  12. #27
    Oliver Brose
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    Re: New P990 review

    Ed Chilada schrieb:

    > Isn't 11b 10mbits already?


    No, its 11. Theoretically. But with error correction and all other bla
    bla it is much more like 4-5 realworld. If you have good coverage. Throw
    in a couple of devices, multi mbit internet, and you're out of bandwitdh
    quite soon. I know it, I have this situation right here. In short, 11b
    sucks. If 11b did not suck, there would not be 11g or higher.


    > How many times do you find yourself on a
    > internet connection faster than that?


    Ed, rarely, but again and again, this is *not* about connecting the
    P990i to the internet. Sure, you may use the WLAN for that, but it has
    plenty other applications too.


    > I doubt that the P990 is going to support navigating your local PC network and copying files so I
    > don't see any point at all in having 11g.


    I on the contrary doubt that apps like Salling Clicker will not take
    advantage of the WLAN capability. There is absolutely zero reason why it
    should not be possible to use the phone as a regular network device too.
    Zero. Get over it, SE is going to sell you a megabuck phone with
    technology that was cool in 1999 but looks pathetic on any device
    claiming to be state of the art in 2006.

    Oliver



  13. #28
    matt weber
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    Re: New P990 review

    On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:07:57 +0100, Oliver Brose <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >matt weber schrieb:
    >
    >> There isn't a good reason to use anything other than 11b. It is fully
    >> compatible with 11g, and there is no way the phone can make effective
    >> use of 54mb/sec, in fact it probably has a hard time making use of
    >> much more than a few hundred kb/sec.
    >>
    >> In short, what the hell difference does it make if it only supports
    >> 802.11b?

    >
    >It does if you want to use it in a 11g network (say as a remote for your
    >stereo, or whatever) and do not want said network to fall back into
    >11g/b mixedmode. Some people might actually need more than the 4-5Mbit
    >of 11b realworld performance. If the P990i magically avoids the fallback
    >please enligthen me with a source for this information, it would make my
    >day.
    >
    >Oliver

    How many places have you been where the underlying network capacity is
    more than 5mb/sec? 802.11b presence on a 802.11g network does degrade
    performance, but only when it is active. What portion of the time do
    you suppose a network connection at 11mb/sec to a mobile phone is
    going to be active? NOT MUCH!!

    As I said, it just isn't likely to make any real difference.



  14. #29
    matt weber
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    Re: New P990 review

    On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:02:50 -0600, ilanshp
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >Oliver Brose Wrote:
    >> Taylor schrieb:
    >> Good one *g*
    >> I don't give much about the how. I'm sure it would be well possible to
    >> implement a manual option for the standard. Use 11b to save power, use
    >> 11g when you need it.
    >> Oliver

    >
    >Sorry for my ignorance, but the P990 support only 11b, how can you use
    >11g if it's not available on the phone?

    Because 802.11g is an inclusive standard, and while using 802.11b on
    an 802.11g network degrades performance, the standard requires 802.11b
    to be supported on 802.11g networks.

    As for network chocking, even video will run quite well with a
    5mbit/second bandwidth. Most airport hostspots are only T1 (1.5
    mb/sec) anyway, and I don't see them choking anyone.
    >If it's only software upgrade, then it's ok, but if it is hardware
    >issue then 11g is just not available in any case.
    >
    >again, the phone won't support HDSPA. This is a hardware issue.
    >SE stated: "*3G - speed is the issue*"
    >This is taken from their website...
    >Well, if it's an issue, UMTS is not the newest tech and for a 1000$
    >phone who suppose to be the leading device it just aint enough





  15. #30
    Chris G.
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    Re: New P990 review


    "matt weber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:07:57 +0100, Oliver Brose <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > How many places have you been where the underlying network capacity is
    > more than 5mb/sec? 802.11b presence on a 802.11g network does degrade
    > performance, but only when it is active. What portion of the time do
    > you suppose a network connection at 11mb/sec to a mobile phone is
    > going to be active? NOT MUCH!!
    >
    > As I said, it just isn't likely to make any real difference.


    All you guys posting here make good points - in my case, though, it's a
    little academic; my P900's screen's dead and I need a new phone yesterday
    ;-) No P990? Then it's back to Windows Mobile, probably a Qtek 8300 (WLAN
    vital, still want phone functionality rather than a pure PDA). I'd love to
    get myself a P990 (no other phone is quite as versatile), but just can't
    wait any longer :-/

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