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  1. #1
    Chewie
    Guest
    There are are plenty of minor idiosyncracies on this phone and some of
    them I can live with but I really am getting fed up.
    Perhaps it's my fault for buyng one on T-Mobile, but this combination is
    driving me crackers.
    Ascending rings when the feature is disabled coupled with T-Mobile's
    'maximum 25sec before unanswered calls go to voicemail' means that I
    miss almost _every_ bloody call. Unless, that is, I turn voicemail off
    altogether and miss calls when I'm out of range.
    Then, of course, if I'm outside I can't see the screen to see who
    phoned.
    I don't care if some people say their display is OK or useable, it's
    ****ing awful when you think the sodding thing is made for outside use!

    I spoke to T-Mobile and Sony last week about these 'features' and the
    way they make the phone a £200 stress-inducer. Today I phoned them again
    to actually register complaints. I also phoned CPW to tell them about
    the problem of owning a T610 on T-Mobile.

    My son has asked me if I want to swap it for his 7210 and I'm tempted
    even though it's actually my old phone and it pissed me off just as much
    itself.
    --
    Chewie.
    http://www.chewie.org.uk
    http://football.guardian.co.uk/comme...843348,00.html



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  2. #2
    Olaf Peuss
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    Chewie wrote:

    > There are are plenty of minor idiosyncracies on this phone and some of
    > them I can live with but I really am getting fed up.
    > Perhaps it's my fault for buyng one on T-Mobile, but this combination
    > is driving me crackers.


    And there was no way to inform yourself BEFORE you bought the phone? Get
    real!


    > Ascending rings when the feature is disabled coupled with T-Mobile's
    > 'maximum 25sec before unanswered calls go to voicemail' means that I
    > miss almost _every_ bloody call. Unless, that is, I turn voicemail off
    > altogether and miss calls when I'm out of range.


    25 seconds is plenty of time if you keep your phone near you. It usually
    takes me no longer than five seconds to get the phone off my belt case and
    push the right key. Maybe a bit of physical exercise will do you good. ;-)


    > Then, of course, if I'm outside I can't see the screen to see who
    > phoned.


    It's probably not the phone, there's something wrong with your eyes!
    You should see an oculist immediately. Hurry up! 8-)


    > I don't care if some people say their display is OK or useable, it's
    > ****ing awful when you think the sodding thing is made for outside
    > use!


    What's the point of using offensive language? It will just earn you the
    title of a troll, which - no disrespect for the genuine Norwegian Mountain
    Trolls intended - you have deserved more than anyone else who has recently
    posted to this group. :->


    > I spoke to T-Mobile and Sony last week about these 'features' and the
    > way they make the phone a £200 stress-inducer. Today I phoned them
    > again to actually register complaints. I also phoned CPW to tell them
    > about the problem of owning a T610 on T-Mobile.


    But it's your problem, not theirs. The phone isn't faulty. It's you who
    failed to collect sufficient information on its idiosyncracies, and now
    you're blaming the phone for your own carelessness. I suppose neither CPW
    nor T-Mobile put a gun against your head so as to force you to buy one off
    them, did they?


    > My son has asked me if I want to swap it for his 7210 and I'm tempted
    > even though it's actually my old phone and it pissed me off just as
    > much itself.


    Well, then it's probably best if you don't have a phone at all.
    Bugger off and be somebody else's pain in the backside. You insult
    everybody's intelligence with your crap.

    No regards but a good old *PLONK*

    Olaf




  3. #3
    SlicK the original
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    No offence but Olaf would be a kewl name for an Ogre...



    "Olaf Peuss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Chewie wrote:
    >
    > > There are are plenty of minor idiosyncracies on this phone and some of
    > > them I can live with but I really am getting fed up.
    > > Perhaps it's my fault for buyng one on T-Mobile, but this combination
    > > is driving me crackers.

    >
    > And there was no way to inform yourself BEFORE you bought the phone? Get
    > real!
    >
    >
    > > Ascending rings when the feature is disabled coupled with T-Mobile's
    > > 'maximum 25sec before unanswered calls go to voicemail' means that I
    > > miss almost _every_ bloody call. Unless, that is, I turn voicemail off
    > > altogether and miss calls when I'm out of range.

    >
    > 25 seconds is plenty of time if you keep your phone near you. It usually
    > takes me no longer than five seconds to get the phone off my belt case and
    > push the right key. Maybe a bit of physical exercise will do you good. ;-)
    >
    >
    > > Then, of course, if I'm outside I can't see the screen to see who
    > > phoned.

    >
    > It's probably not the phone, there's something wrong with your eyes!
    > You should see an oculist immediately. Hurry up! 8-)
    >
    >
    > > I don't care if some people say their display is OK or useable, it's
    > > ****ing awful when you think the sodding thing is made for outside
    > > use!

    >
    > What's the point of using offensive language? It will just earn you the
    > title of a troll, which - no disrespect for the genuine Norwegian Mountain
    > Trolls intended - you have deserved more than anyone else who has recently
    > posted to this group. :->
    >
    >
    > > I spoke to T-Mobile and Sony last week about these 'features' and the
    > > way they make the phone a £200 stress-inducer. Today I phoned them
    > > again to actually register complaints. I also phoned CPW to tell them
    > > about the problem of owning a T610 on T-Mobile.

    >
    > But it's your problem, not theirs. The phone isn't faulty. It's you who
    > failed to collect sufficient information on its idiosyncracies, and now
    > you're blaming the phone for your own carelessness. I suppose neither CPW
    > nor T-Mobile put a gun against your head so as to force you to buy one off
    > them, did they?
    >
    >
    > > My son has asked me if I want to swap it for his 7210 and I'm tempted
    > > even though it's actually my old phone and it pissed me off just as
    > > much itself.

    >
    > Well, then it's probably best if you don't have a phone at all.
    > Bugger off and be somebody else's pain in the backside. You insult
    > everybody's intelligence with your crap.
    >
    > No regards but a good old *PLONK*
    >
    > Olaf
    >






  4. #4
    Alan B
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings


    "Olaf Peuss" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > And there was no way to inform yourself BEFORE you bought the phone? Get
    > real!


    I didn't see any info before I bought mine to tell me that the ascending
    ring cancellation doesn't work and the display disappears in sunlight
    >
    >
    > It's probably not the phone, there's something wrong with your eyes!
    > You should see an oculist immediately. Hurry up! 8-)
    >


    And something wrong with the eyes of all the people I know who've got one
    (and don't tell me to see an oculist - I am one)

    > What's the point of using offensive language? It will just earn you the
    > title of a troll, which - no disrespect for the genuine Norwegian Mountain


    True, but sounds like it's born of total frustration


    > But it's your problem, not theirs. The phone isn't faulty. It's you who
    > failed to collect sufficient information on its idiosyncracies, and now
    > you're blaming the phone for your own carelessness. I suppose neither CPW
    > nor T-Mobile put a gun against your head so as to force you to buy one off
    > them, did they?


    What amazing logic, so you never have cause to complain about anything you
    buy because you always know whether there will be any faults before you buy
    it?
    >
    > Well, then it's probably best if you don't have a phone at all.
    > Bugger off and be somebody else's pain in the backside. You insult
    > everybody's intelligence with your crap.


    Can't actually detect any sign of yours

    > No regards but a good old *PLONK*


    Yep, you sound like a plonker to me : )

    > Olaf






  5. #5
    Brian Morrison
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:55:27 +0100, in article
    <[email protected]> "Alan B" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > I didn't see any info before I bought mine to tell me that the ascending
    > ring cancellation doesn't work


    But it does. With ascend off it takes far less time to reach full
    loudness.

    Because the phone uses the speaker to create the ringing sound
    SE decided it might result in law suits if they blasted maximum ring
    volume out just as someone was putting the phone to their ear. The
    compromise was to make the ring quiet for a few seconds to give them time
    to pull it away.

    --

    Brian Morrison

    please observe reply-to address




  6. #6
    Alan B
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings


    "Brian Morrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:55:27 +0100, in article
    > <[email protected]> "Alan B" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > I didn't see any info before I bought mine to tell me that the ascending
    > > ring cancellation doesn't work

    >
    > But it does. With ascend off it takes far less time to reach full
    > loudness.
    >
    > Because the phone uses the speaker to create the ringing sound
    > SE decided it might result in law suits if they blasted maximum ring
    > volume out just as someone was putting the phone to their ear. The
    > compromise was to make the ring quiet for a few seconds to give them time
    > to pull it away.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Brian Morrison


    I'm am well aware of the reason - as you say, this measure is necessary to
    make up for the design flaw of using the same speaker for both





  7. #7
    Chewie (Just for Olaf to read it)
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > Chewie wrote:
    >
    > > There are are plenty of minor idiosyncracies on this phone and some of
    > > them I can live with but I really am getting fed up.
    > > Perhaps it's my fault for buyng one on T-Mobile, but this combination
    > > is driving me crackers.

    >
    > And there was no way to inform yourself BEFORE you bought the phone? Get
    > real!


    I bought a V200 on the CPW website and returned it to a shop after 2
    days because it doesn't do what Samsung say it does. The swap was on
    condition I couldn't exchange again as in a shop you can 'try before you
    buy', even though the outlet didn't have a T610 to try out.
    When I asked her about the complaints about it on the internet, the
    young lady that served me told me she hadn't experienced the poor screen
    with the ones she'd tried.
    No mention was made of the fade-in ringer on the T610, nor the 25sec
    upper limit on unanswered calls gong to viocemail. Indeed, the T-Mobile
    people I've spoken to are surprised (as is everyone that owns a T610
    when they find out) that you can't make it ring full volume from the
    beginning. Similarly, SE staff are amazed that you can't turn off
    unanswered-to-voicemail function on its own with T-Mobile.
    How the hell is anyone supposed to find out about these features
    beforehand?

    > > Ascending rings when the feature is disabled coupled with T-Mobile's
    > > 'maximum 25sec before unanswered calls go to voicemail' means that I
    > > miss almost _every_ bloody call. Unless, that is, I turn voicemail off
    > > altogether and miss calls when I'm out of range.

    >
    > 25 seconds is plenty of time if you keep your phone near you. It usually
    > takes me no longer than five seconds to get the phone off my belt case and
    > push the right key. Maybe a bit of physical exercise will do you good. ;-)


    When you're driving, when the phone is in another room or even when it's
    in your jacket pocket, 25 seconds is rarely enough time to answer.
    Perhaps also, people such as yourself that are unoccupied to the extent
    that they can answer their phone immediately whenever it rings should
    seek some sort of active employment.

    > > Then, of course, if I'm outside I can't see the screen to see who
    > > phoned.

    >
    > It's probably not the phone, there's something wrong with your eyes!
    > You should see an oculist immediately. Hurry up! 8-)


    LOL.

    > > I don't care if some people say their display is OK or useable, it's
    > > ****ing awful when you think the sodding thing is made for outside
    > > use!

    >
    > What's the point of using offensive language? It will just earn you the
    > title of a troll, which - no disrespect for the genuine Norwegian Mountain
    > Trolls intended - you have deserved more than anyone else who has recently
    > posted to this group. :->


    Now you're just getting silly. A troll? Me? Surely if I was trolling for
    reaction I would post inflammatory comments about the phone which were
    completely untrue, rather than complain about features that are
    ridiculously daft when implemented.
    When my phone rings a dozen times in a day and I have to phone each
    caller because they haven't left a message on my voicemail as they think
    I've hit the reject button, it really (brace yourself...) pisses me off.

    > > I spoke to T-Mobile and Sony last week about these 'features' and the
    > > way they make the phone a £200 stress-inducer. Today I phoned them
    > > again to actually register complaints. I also phoned CPW to tell them
    > > about the problem of owning a T610 on T-Mobile.

    >
    > But it's your problem, not theirs. The phone isn't faulty. It's you who
    > failed to collect sufficient information on its idiosyncracies, and now
    > you're blaming the phone for your own carelessness. I suppose neither CPW
    > nor T-Mobile put a gun against your head so as to force you to buy one off
    > them, did they?


    WTF are you on about guns to heads for?
    I failed to what?
    Your comments deserve a lengthy reply but I have no inclination to do
    such a thing. I'm afraid you'll just have to accept this...
    Don't be so ****ing daft; I'm not complaining that the phone is faulty,
    because it does everything it is supposed to do. The trouble is that
    some of the implemented features of the phone and T-Mobile's voicemail
    are just plain daft.

    > > My son has asked me if I want to swap it for his 7210 and I'm tempted
    > > even though it's actually my old phone and it pissed me off just as
    > > much itself.

    >
    > Well, then it's probably best if you don't have a phone at all.
    > Bugger off and be somebody else's pain in the backside. You insult
    > everybody's intelligence with your crap.


    Hehe, I just love it when nonces think they speak for all and sundry.
    Perhaps you shouldn't learn to drive if you cannot fix your car when it
    goes wrong.

    > No regards but a good old *PLONK*


    Oops.
    --
    Chewie.
    http://www.chewie.org.uk
    http://football.guardian.co.uk/comme...843348,00.html



  8. #8
    Grant Mason
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    "Chewie" [email protected] wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > Ascending rings when the feature is disabled coupled with T-Mobile's
    > 'maximum 25sec before unanswered calls go to voicemail' means that I
    > miss almost _every_ bloody call.


    You should be able to extend that to the GSM-spec maximum delay of 30
    seconds using the GSM codes. Details from:

    http://www.mobileshop.org/usertech/gsmcodes.htm

    It worked for me on O2 - it should work on T-Mobile.





  9. #9
    Chewie (Just for Olaf to read it)
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > "Chewie" [email protected] wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > >
    > > Ascending rings when the feature is disabled coupled with T-Mobile's
    > > 'maximum 25sec before unanswered calls go to voicemail' means that I
    > > miss almost _every_ bloody call.

    >
    > You should be able to extend that to the GSM-spec maximum delay of 30
    > seconds using the GSM codes. Details from:
    >
    > http://www.mobileshop.org/usertech/gsmcodes.htm
    >
    > It worked for me on O2 - it should work on T-Mobile.


    Heh, on O2 you can turn the unanswered feature off and leave busy &
    unreachable features on; SE staff tested a T610 on O2 to make sure it
    wasn't a problem with the model, while I was talking with them.
    I've turned voicemail off altogether now; I'll be getting my next phone
    on O2 (same as Mrs Chewie) purelly because of this... and because Voda
    gives a piss poor reception around these parts.
    --
    Chewie.
    http://www.chewie.org.uk
    http://football.guardian.co.uk/comme...843348,00.html



  10. #10
    Fred Bloggs
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    Chewie <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I don't care if some people say their display is OK or useable, it's
    > ****ing awful when you think the sodding thing is made for outside use!


    Where did you read that it's made for outside use?

    > I spoke to T-Mobile and Sony last week about these 'features' and the
    > way they make the phone a £200 stress-inducer. Today I phoned them again
    > to actually register complaints. I also phoned CPW to tell them about
    > the problem of owning a T610 on T-Mobile.


    I'm not sure phoning a shop to complain in such general terms actually
    makes any difference to anything except your phone bill. Does it
    contravene the 1979 Sale Of Goods Act or not? If it does, you can get
    your money back. Otherwise...

    > My son has asked me if I want to swap it for his 7210 and I'm tempted
    > even though it's actually my old phone and it pissed me off just as much
    > itself.


    So which phones DO you like? Did you research your purchase/upgrade
    before you got it? I've done a fair bit of research and decided on a
    T610 and nothing i've read - your post included - has done anything to
    dissuade me that it's the best phone in it's price range at the
    moment. The only other phone which i'd consider is the P800 but
    that'd cost me £200, and I can't justify that sort of money on a phone
    so it's the T610 for me.

    I'm also getting mine on TMobile and it does sound a bit odd if
    they've customized it in a way which restricts some of the
    functionality SE put into the phone, but if you're that bothered then
    get the phone reflashed with the original software. I know you
    shouldn't have to but life's like that.



  11. #11
    Alan B
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings


    "Fred Bloggs" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
    > I'm also getting mine on TMobile and it does sound a bit odd if
    > they've customized it in a way which restricts some of the
    > functionality SE put into the phone, but if you're that bothered then
    > get the phone reflashed with the original software. I know you
    > shouldn't have to but life's like that.


    T-Mobile don't customise the software at all and will even usually supply it
    unlocked





  12. #12
    Chewie (Just for Olaf to read it)
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...
    > Chewie <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > I don't care if some people say their display is OK or useable, it's
    > > ****ing awful when you think the sodding thing is made for outside use!

    >
    > Where did you read that it's made for outside use?


    Eh? Is this the first mobile phone dsesigned purely for use indoors?
    Probably.

    > > I spoke to T-Mobile and Sony last week about these 'features' and the
    > > way they make the phone a £200 stress-inducer. Today I phoned them again
    > > to actually register complaints. I also phoned CPW to tell them about
    > > the problem of owning a T610 on T-Mobile.

    >
    > I'm not sure phoning a shop to complain in such general terms actually
    > makes any difference to anything except your phone bill. Does it
    > contravene the 1979 Sale Of Goods Act or not? If it does, you can get
    > your money back. Otherwise...


    I didn't phone the shop, I spoke to CS.
    No, neither the phone or the contract contravene the sale of goods act.
    I'm not implying that either does; I'm bemoaning that the two together
    are, for me, almost incompatible due to the implementation of the
    respective features. The intentional design of the ringing & available
    settings of T-M's voicemail feature are not mentioned in literature
    available before purchase.

    > > My son has asked me if I want to swap it for his 7210 and I'm tempted
    > > even though it's actually my old phone and it pissed me off just as much
    > > itself.

    >
    > So which phones DO you like? Did you research your purchase/upgrade
    > before you got it? I've done a fair bit of research and decided on a
    > T610 and nothing i've read - your post included - has done anything to
    > dissuade me that it's the best phone in it's price range at the
    > moment. The only other phone which i'd consider is the P800 but
    > that'd cost me £200, and I can't justify that sort of money on a phone
    > so it's the T610 for me.


    I found out what I could and the T610 came second to my first choice and
    I thought I had a great phone in the V200 but although it's got killer
    looks there are quite a few claimed features that aren't on it - and the
    500 memory slots suddenly filled up with about 80 entries! The IR didn't
    work between it and either my old 7210 or my PC, either.
    Sure, the T610 is ugly and the supplied software doesn't work with many
    PC IRDA devices (and won't uninstall, either) but I don't want a phone
    to look at, I want one to talk and text on. Incidentally, texting on the
    T610 is the best I've used. Tha screen is awful in daylight but I've
    been putting up with looking ridiculous trying to see what's on it while
    out of doors.

    > I'm also getting mine on TMobile and it does sound a bit odd if
    > they've customized it in a way which restricts some of the
    > functionality SE put into the phone, but if you're that bothered then
    > get the phone reflashed with the original software. I know you
    > shouldn't have to but life's like that.


    They haven't customised it (it's unlocked as Alan B suggested they are,
    too); it's their voicemail setup that's daft.
    --
    Chewie.
    http://www.chewie.org.uk
    http://football.guardian.co.uk/comme...843348,00.html



  13. #13
    Fred Bloggs
    Guest

    Re: T610 shortcomings

    Chewie (Just for Olaf to read it) <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] says...
    > > Chewie <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > I don't care if some people say their display is OK or useable, it's
    > > > ****ing awful when you think the sodding thing is made for outside use!

    > >
    > > Where did you read that it's made for outside use?

    >
    > Eh? Is this the first mobile phone dsesigned purely for use indoors?


    I doubt it.

    > I didn't phone the shop, I spoke to CS.
    > No, neither the phone or the contract contravene the sale of goods act.
    > I'm not implying that either does; I'm bemoaning that the two together
    > are, for me, almost incompatible due to the implementation of the
    > respective features. The intentional design of the ringing & available
    > settings of T-M's voicemail feature are not mentioned in literature
    > available before purchase.


    Not fit for the purpose intended (if the purpose intended is `use
    outdoors`). Also, it's possible that, because you can't play with the
    phone before you buy them then it's `sold by description` (another
    part of the Sale Of Goods Act), and that what you got differed
    substantially from the description (the description being a T610, not
    a `T610 arsed up by TMobile`).

    > Sure, the T610 is ugly and the supplied software doesn't work with many
    > PC IRDA devices (and won't uninstall, either) but I don't want a phone
    > to look at, I want one to talk and text on. Incidentally, texting on the
    > T610 is the best I've used. Tha screen is awful in daylight but I've
    > been putting up with looking ridiculous trying to see what's on it while
    > out of doors.


    It IS pretty hard to see in sunlight. I don't think it's ugly - sort
    of retro maybe, but it least it doesn't have that `like all the
    others` look that Siemens and Nokia phones all do.

    > > I'm also getting mine on TMobile and it does sound a bit odd if
    > > they've customized it in a way which restricts some of the
    > > functionality SE put into the phone, but if you're that bothered then
    > > get the phone reflashed with the original software. I know you
    > > shouldn't have to but life's like that.

    >
    > They haven't customised it (it's unlocked as Alan B suggested they are,
    > too); it's their voicemail setup that's daft.


    I'm on Tmobile and i've not noticed anything daft about it. But I only
    got mine yesterday. The IR stuff is a bit weird - i just managed to
    send my contacts and a couple of pics to my pc, but now it's refusing
    to do anything! Bluetooth worked fine (except my Belkin software
    decided to remove my existing modem entries from my home PCs
    properties and insists i connect via bluetooth modem support!
    Tedious).

    I can't remove some of the TMobile pictures and sounds, but they
    aren't taking up TOO much space so i'll left them there (rather than
    getting it flashed).



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