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- 10-23-2003, 06:06 PM #1ScottGuest
Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the T610
because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the phone
scomehow, could java control it then?
I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im getting
at!
I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
Thanks
What do u all think?
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- 10-24-2003, 02:31 AM #2Daniel JuhnGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
go get a clue.
java is programmed into the t610 "sandbox" style. thats why you cant access
the IR layer. it is outside the sandbox. similarly, other phone functions
such as inbox etc., let alone homemade hardware components.
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the T610
> because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
>
> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the phone
> scomehow, could java control it then?
>
> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im
getting
> at!
>
> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
>
> Thanks
>
> What do u all think?
>
>
>
- 10-24-2003, 08:56 AM #3realShadyGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
>"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the T610
>> because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
>>
>> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the phone
>> scomehow, could java control it then?
>>
>> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im
>getting
>> at!
>>
>> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> What do u all think?
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:31:10 +1000, "Daniel Juhn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>go get a clue.
>java is programmed into the t610 "sandbox" style. thats why you cant access
>the IR layer. it is outside the sandbox. similarly, other phone functions
>such as inbox etc., let alone homemade hardware components.
Yeah. Useful post. Get a clue yourself and be a bit more forward
thinking.
There's nothing stopping a Java applet sending out DTMF tones (or
equivalent) which could be picked up by a device and sent out as IR
signals.
Rather than giving negative comments such as "I've heard the term
sandbox and that puts me in a position to piss on you from on high,"
why don't you do something useful like post links which actually
explain the limitations of Java on the T610?
Start here:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/develope...ava/p_java.jsp
Good luck!
- 10-24-2003, 05:37 PM #4ScottGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
Thanks for the positive reply! and the negative reply, well, I know what we
all think of that, so no need to really say anything.
I was just putting in my cent, maybe it could inspire someone who knows
about these things and make a difference.
That dtmf idea didnt sound bad, I'll look at the link now!
Thanks
Scott
"realShady" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the
T610
> >> because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
> >>
> >> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the
phone
> >> scomehow, could java control it then?
> >>
> >> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im
> >getting
> >> at!
> >>
> >> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> What do u all think?
>
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:31:10 +1000, "Daniel Juhn"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >go get a clue.
> >java is programmed into the t610 "sandbox" style. thats why you cant
access
> >the IR layer. it is outside the sandbox. similarly, other phone functions
> >such as inbox etc., let alone homemade hardware components.
>
> Yeah. Useful post. Get a clue yourself and be a bit more forward
> thinking.
>
> There's nothing stopping a Java applet sending out DTMF tones (or
> equivalent) which could be picked up by a device and sent out as IR
> signals.
>
> Rather than giving negative comments such as "I've heard the term
> sandbox and that puts me in a position to piss on you from on high,"
> why don't you do something useful like post links which actually
> explain the limitations of Java on the T610?
>
> Start here:
>
http://www.sonyericsson.com/develope...ro/java/p_java
..jsp
>
> Good luck!
>
- 10-24-2003, 06:28 PM #5Daniel JuhnGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
dtmf tones?
lol
so this device is going to sit there listening for certain frequencies of
sound as a supplementary device?
duncha think that just MAYBE an actual remote would be a **** load more
effective?
"realShady" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the
T610
> >> because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
> >>
> >> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the
phone
> >> scomehow, could java control it then?
> >>
> >> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im
> >getting
> >> at!
> >>
> >> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> What do u all think?
>
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:31:10 +1000, "Daniel Juhn"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >go get a clue.
> >java is programmed into the t610 "sandbox" style. thats why you cant
access
> >the IR layer. it is outside the sandbox. similarly, other phone functions
> >such as inbox etc., let alone homemade hardware components.
>
> Yeah. Useful post. Get a clue yourself and be a bit more forward
> thinking.
>
> There's nothing stopping a Java applet sending out DTMF tones (or
> equivalent) which could be picked up by a device and sent out as IR
> signals.
>
> Rather than giving negative comments such as "I've heard the term
> sandbox and that puts me in a position to piss on you from on high,"
> why don't you do something useful like post links which actually
> explain the limitations of Java on the T610?
>
> Start here:
>
http://www.sonyericsson.com/develope...ava/p_java.jsp
>
> Good luck!
>
- 10-25-2003, 03:39 AM #6QGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
Daniel Juhn - typed:
> dtmf tones?
> lol
> so this device is going to sit there listening for certain
> frequencies of sound as a supplementary device?
> duncha think that just MAYBE an actual remote would be a **** load
> more effective?
Yes but as an owner of (only) 5 remote controls, being able to control
all of them including stacking commands would be useful without buying
yet another one. At least if the phone gets lost in the sofa, you can
ring it
The point about sandboxing is also an important issue regarding
security. Perhaps in time, functions like this will be possible. I do
wonder what range the average mobile's IR transmitter would be effective
over though. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of us weren't
programming our DVD/BlueRay video recorders, switching on our
microwave's etc, etc from mobile phones in the not to distant future.
Don't knock a bit of speculative thinking.
- 10-25-2003, 09:04 AM #7Rachael the Wiccan RatGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
"Q" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Daniel Juhn - typed:
> > dtmf tones?
> > lol
> > so this device is going to sit there listening for certain
> > frequencies of sound as a supplementary device?
> > duncha think that just MAYBE an actual remote would be a **** load
> > more effective?
>
> Yes but as an owner of (only) 5 remote controls, being able to control
> all of them including stacking commands would be useful without buying
> yet another one. At least if the phone gets lost in the sofa, you can
> ring it
LOL.
>
> The point about sandboxing is also an important issue regarding
> security. Perhaps in time, functions like this will be possible. I do
> wonder what range the average mobile's IR transmitter would be effective
> over though. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of us weren't
> programming our DVD/BlueRay video recorders, switching on our
> microwave's etc, etc from mobile phones in the not to distant future.
> Don't knock a bit of speculative thinking.
>
Bravo !
Forward thinking and speculative thinking is what makes those who develop
and invent strive to do more with more. Or in this case, more with less.
I mean - phones do more all the time. If you had been told, on getting your
first mobile, you would be able to buy one in x years time that would fit in
the palm of your hand and be able to take (albeit not great) pictures, then
send them to another person in seconds, you'd have probably poo-poohed the
idea too. I certainly would cos my first mobile was a BT Amber - a thing
with a suitcase handle on it the size of two house bricks lashed together
that weighed as much if not more, and was handy not only as an emergency
communication device for the girl about town but an offensive weapon too.
;-)
Rachael
- 10-25-2003, 09:45 PM #8Daniel JuhnGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
lets not diverge from the point.
the original post was getting at an addon module to a current phone.
sure, maybe phones in the future will have remote control functions, be it
via IR or bluetooth or something else... but that will be a different phone.
you cant get a brick phone from several years ago and addon to it.
"Rachael the Wiccan Rat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Q" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Daniel Juhn - typed:
> > > dtmf tones?
> > > lol
> > > so this device is going to sit there listening for certain
> > > frequencies of sound as a supplementary device?
> > > duncha think that just MAYBE an actual remote would be a **** load
> > > more effective?
> >
> > Yes but as an owner of (only) 5 remote controls, being able to control
> > all of them including stacking commands would be useful without buying
> > yet another one. At least if the phone gets lost in the sofa, you can
> > ring it
>
> LOL.
>
> >
> > The point about sandboxing is also an important issue regarding
> > security. Perhaps in time, functions like this will be possible. I do
> > wonder what range the average mobile's IR transmitter would be effective
> > over though. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of us weren't
> > programming our DVD/BlueRay video recorders, switching on our
> > microwave's etc, etc from mobile phones in the not to distant future.
> > Don't knock a bit of speculative thinking.
> >
> Bravo !
>
> Forward thinking and speculative thinking is what makes those who develop
> and invent strive to do more with more. Or in this case, more with less.
>
> I mean - phones do more all the time. If you had been told, on getting
your
> first mobile, you would be able to buy one in x years time that would fit
in
> the palm of your hand and be able to take (albeit not great) pictures,
then
> send them to another person in seconds, you'd have probably poo-poohed the
> idea too. I certainly would cos my first mobile was a BT Amber - a thing
> with a suitcase handle on it the size of two house bricks lashed together
> that weighed as much if not more, and was handy not only as an emergency
> communication device for the girl about town but an offensive weapon too.
> ;-)
>
>
>
>
> Rachael
>
>
- 10-26-2003, 08:06 AM #9Rachael the Wiccan RatGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
(post reformatted to make sense of the quotes)
"Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rachael the Wiccan Rat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Forward thinking and speculative thinking is what makes those who
develop
> > and invent strive to do more with more. Or in this case, more with less.
> >
> > I mean - phones do more all the time. If you had been told, on getting
> your
> > first mobile, you would be able to buy one in x years time that would
fit
> in
> > the palm of your hand and be able to take (albeit not great) pictures,
> then
> > send them to another person in seconds, you'd have probably poo-poohed
the
> > idea too. I certainly would cos my first mobile was a BT Amber - a thing
> > with a suitcase handle on it the size of two house bricks lashed
together
> > that weighed as much if not more, and was handy not only as an emergency
> > communication device for the girl about town but an offensive weapon
too.
> > ;-)
>
> > lets not diverge from the point.
Why not ? It's called "discussion". ;-)
> the original post was getting at an addon module to a current phone.
> sure, maybe phones in the future will have remote control functions, be it
> via IR or bluetooth or something else... but that will be a different
phone.
> you cant get a brick phone from several years ago and addon to it.
No, but someone wanted to, figured it might not work so they decided to make
a new phone in order to do what they wanted, didn't they ? Ideas all start
somewhere - and often the first ideas don't work and bear little resemblance
to the final solution. Live a little in the realm of imagination - it's good
for you !
Rachael
- 10-27-2003, 07:04 AM #10pallexGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the T610
> because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
>
> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the phone
> scomehow, could java control it then?
>
> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im getting
> at!
>
> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
>
> Thanks
>
> What do u all think?
I think i'd look at page 67 of the manual which tells you that you'd
have to sit no more than 30cm away from the TV. If you were that close
it would be easier to just lean forward and change the channel
yourself.
- 10-27-2003, 12:57 PM #11QGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
pallex - typed:
> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the
>> T610 because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
>>
>> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the
>> phone scomehow, could java control it then?
>>
>> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im
>> getting at!
>>
>> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> What do u all think?
>
> I think i'd look at page 67 of the manual which tells you that you'd
> have to sit no more than 30cm away from the TV. If you were that close
> it would be easier to just lean forward and change the channel
> yourself.
IIRC, there's at least one phone on the market somewhere which has IR
remote control functionality & presumably the range as well. In other
words, it has to be designed in. An IR bolt-on accessory is technically
feasible if not marketable, SE do an LED flashgun afterall.
Unless the idea of using a phone as a learning remote catches on,
manufacturers probably won't bother beefing up the IR Tx/Rx IC with its
consequent considerable increase in power requirements. The alternative
is for remotes to use BT instead of IR & that's probably doubtful unless
BT (or BT Lite - less power, b/w & cost which would be similar to
ZigBee) catches on to the degree where BT becomes cheaper than IR.
Anything that increases power consumption of a phone is less likely to
be adopted unless it's a killer app with wide appeal which this probably
isn't.
- 10-27-2003, 06:21 PM #12EddieGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> IIRC, there's at least one phone on the market somewhere which has IR
> remote control functionality & presumably the range as well.
>
>
>
The Nokia 7650 can be used as a TV remote. Aparently it has a range of
around 8 feet. Software available from the following site.
http://www.pc-remote.de.vu/
The website is German but you can understand enough to get the idea
- 10-28-2003, 12:48 AM #13Daniel JuhnGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
the point is, it cant be done feasibly, whilst you ass clowns were arguing
otherwise.
i never said it cant/wont be dont on a future model phone.
"Rachael the Wiccan Rat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> (post reformatted to make sense of the quotes)
>
>
> "Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > "Rachael the Wiccan Rat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
>
> > >
> > > Forward thinking and speculative thinking is what makes those who
> develop
> > > and invent strive to do more with more. Or in this case, more with
less.
> > >
> > > I mean - phones do more all the time. If you had been told, on getting
> > your
> > > first mobile, you would be able to buy one in x years time that would
> fit
> > in
> > > the palm of your hand and be able to take (albeit not great) pictures,
> > then
> > > send them to another person in seconds, you'd have probably poo-poohed
> the
> > > idea too. I certainly would cos my first mobile was a BT Amber - a
thing
> > > with a suitcase handle on it the size of two house bricks lashed
> together
> > > that weighed as much if not more, and was handy not only as an
emergency
> > > communication device for the girl about town but an offensive weapon
> too.
> > > ;-)
>
> >
> > > lets not diverge from the point.
>
> Why not ? It's called "discussion". ;-)
>
> > the original post was getting at an addon module to a current phone.
> > sure, maybe phones in the future will have remote control functions, be
it
> > via IR or bluetooth or something else... but that will be a different
> phone.
> > you cant get a brick phone from several years ago and addon to it.
>
> No, but someone wanted to, figured it might not work so they decided to
make
> a new phone in order to do what they wanted, didn't they ? Ideas all start
> somewhere - and often the first ideas don't work and bear little
resemblance
> to the final solution. Live a little in the realm of imagination - it's
good
> for you !
>
>
> Rachael
>
>
- 10-28-2003, 03:42 AM #14Richard ColtonGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
"Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> the point is, it cant be done feasibly, whilst you ass clowns were arguing
> otherwise.
Is there any specific reason you're being so abusive to people asking what
is after all a reasonable question, or is it that you're reverting back to
your old ways of picking a fight with whoever is handy?
As for it being feasably done, it already has been done on several other
handsets (albeit Symbian or Palm OS based).
> i never said it cant/wont be dont on a future model phone.
No, you just implied it - strongly.
Also, could you please not top-post in future.
/me sits back and waits for even more abuse to start flying.
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- 10-28-2003, 05:51 AM #15Rachael the Wiccan RatGuest
Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....
"Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in
message
> news:[email protected]...
> > the point is, it cant be done feasibly, whilst you ass clowns were
arguing
> > otherwise.
>
> Is there any specific reason you're being so abusive to people asking what
> is after all a reasonable question, or is it that you're reverting back to
> your old ways of picking a fight with whoever is handy?
>
> As for it being feasably done, it already has been done on several other
> handsets (albeit Symbian or Palm OS based).
Found on google ....
>From: TheThirdDegree ([email protected])
>Subject: Re: Using the 7650 as a TV remote...!
>View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
>Original Format
>Newsgroups: alt.cellular.nokia
>Date: 2003-05-06 00:41:58 PST
>"Stuart Marshman" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
>news:[email protected]...
>> Anyone seen a program around that allows you to use the 7650 as a TV
remote
>> control? Or is the range/power of the IR port too low to allow practical
>> usage?
>>
>> Come to that, is there a BT-based remote control available?
>>
>
>The program is IrRemote http://www.psiloc.com/ it works fine from about a 2
>meter (6 feet) distance. It's cool to play with but if your couch -> tv
>distance is a bit too far... it simply doesn't work. Fun to use in a
>electronics store though... mess up all the tv's and such.
>
> > i never said it cant/wont be dont on a future model phone.
>
> No, you just implied it - strongly.
And it already has been done as you say - with limitations, sure, but it's
there in black and white (or colour, depending on your set, ha ha).
>
> Also, could you please not top-post in future.
>
> /me sits back and waits for even more abuse to start flying.
>
He can shout abuse till he's blue in the face as far as I'm concerned - now
that you have brought it to my attention that he is one of those people who
just picks fights for the sake of it <yawn>, then I won't hear it. ;-)
Rachael
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