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  1. #1
    Scott
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    Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the T610
    because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.

    What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the phone
    scomehow, could java control it then?

    I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im getting
    at!

    I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!

    Thanks

    What do u all think?






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  2. #2
    Daniel Juhn
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    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    go get a clue.
    java is programmed into the t610 "sandbox" style. thats why you cant access
    the IR layer. it is outside the sandbox. similarly, other phone functions
    such as inbox etc., let alone homemade hardware components.

    "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the T610
    > because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
    >
    > What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the phone
    > scomehow, could java control it then?
    >
    > I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im

    getting
    > at!
    >
    > I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > What do u all think?
    >
    >
    >






  3. #3
    realShady
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    >"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the T610
    >> because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
    >>
    >> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the phone
    >> scomehow, could java control it then?
    >>
    >> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im

    >getting
    >> at!
    >>
    >> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> What do u all think?


    On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:31:10 +1000, "Daniel Juhn"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >go get a clue.
    >java is programmed into the t610 "sandbox" style. thats why you cant access
    >the IR layer. it is outside the sandbox. similarly, other phone functions
    >such as inbox etc., let alone homemade hardware components.


    Yeah. Useful post. Get a clue yourself and be a bit more forward
    thinking.

    There's nothing stopping a Java applet sending out DTMF tones (or
    equivalent) which could be picked up by a device and sent out as IR
    signals.

    Rather than giving negative comments such as "I've heard the term
    sandbox and that puts me in a position to piss on you from on high,"
    why don't you do something useful like post links which actually
    explain the limitations of Java on the T610?

    Start here:
    http://www.sonyericsson.com/develope...ava/p_java.jsp

    Good luck!




  4. #4
    Scott
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    Thanks for the positive reply! and the negative reply, well, I know what we
    all think of that, so no need to really say anything.

    I was just putting in my cent, maybe it could inspire someone who knows
    about these things and make a difference.


    That dtmf idea didnt sound bad, I'll look at the link now!

    Thanks

    Scott
    "realShady" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > >"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]
    > >> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the

    T610
    > >> because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
    > >>
    > >> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the

    phone
    > >> scomehow, could java control it then?
    > >>
    > >> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im

    > >getting
    > >> at!
    > >>
    > >> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
    > >>
    > >> Thanks
    > >>
    > >> What do u all think?

    >
    > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:31:10 +1000, "Daniel Juhn"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >go get a clue.
    > >java is programmed into the t610 "sandbox" style. thats why you cant

    access
    > >the IR layer. it is outside the sandbox. similarly, other phone functions
    > >such as inbox etc., let alone homemade hardware components.

    >
    > Yeah. Useful post. Get a clue yourself and be a bit more forward
    > thinking.
    >
    > There's nothing stopping a Java applet sending out DTMF tones (or
    > equivalent) which could be picked up by a device and sent out as IR
    > signals.
    >
    > Rather than giving negative comments such as "I've heard the term
    > sandbox and that puts me in a position to piss on you from on high,"
    > why don't you do something useful like post links which actually
    > explain the limitations of Java on the T610?
    >
    > Start here:
    >

    http://www.sonyericsson.com/develope...ro/java/p_java
    ..jsp
    >
    > Good luck!
    >






  5. #5
    Daniel Juhn
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    dtmf tones?
    lol
    so this device is going to sit there listening for certain frequencies of
    sound as a supplementary device?
    duncha think that just MAYBE an actual remote would be a **** load more
    effective?

    "realShady" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > >"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]
    > >> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the

    T610
    > >> because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
    > >>
    > >> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the

    phone
    > >> scomehow, could java control it then?
    > >>
    > >> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im

    > >getting
    > >> at!
    > >>
    > >> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
    > >>
    > >> Thanks
    > >>
    > >> What do u all think?

    >
    > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:31:10 +1000, "Daniel Juhn"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >go get a clue.
    > >java is programmed into the t610 "sandbox" style. thats why you cant

    access
    > >the IR layer. it is outside the sandbox. similarly, other phone functions
    > >such as inbox etc., let alone homemade hardware components.

    >
    > Yeah. Useful post. Get a clue yourself and be a bit more forward
    > thinking.
    >
    > There's nothing stopping a Java applet sending out DTMF tones (or
    > equivalent) which could be picked up by a device and sent out as IR
    > signals.
    >
    > Rather than giving negative comments such as "I've heard the term
    > sandbox and that puts me in a position to piss on you from on high,"
    > why don't you do something useful like post links which actually
    > explain the limitations of Java on the T610?
    >
    > Start here:
    >

    http://www.sonyericsson.com/develope...ava/p_java.jsp
    >
    > Good luck!
    >






  6. #6
    Q
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    Daniel Juhn - typed:
    > dtmf tones?
    > lol
    > so this device is going to sit there listening for certain
    > frequencies of sound as a supplementary device?
    > duncha think that just MAYBE an actual remote would be a **** load
    > more effective?


    Yes but as an owner of (only) 5 remote controls, being able to control
    all of them including stacking commands would be useful without buying
    yet another one. At least if the phone gets lost in the sofa, you can
    ring it

    The point about sandboxing is also an important issue regarding
    security. Perhaps in time, functions like this will be possible. I do
    wonder what range the average mobile's IR transmitter would be effective
    over though. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of us weren't
    programming our DVD/BlueRay video recorders, switching on our
    microwave's etc, etc from mobile phones in the not to distant future.
    Don't knock a bit of speculative thinking.





  7. #7
    Rachael the Wiccan Rat
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....


    "Q" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Daniel Juhn - typed:
    > > dtmf tones?
    > > lol
    > > so this device is going to sit there listening for certain
    > > frequencies of sound as a supplementary device?
    > > duncha think that just MAYBE an actual remote would be a **** load
    > > more effective?

    >
    > Yes but as an owner of (only) 5 remote controls, being able to control
    > all of them including stacking commands would be useful without buying
    > yet another one. At least if the phone gets lost in the sofa, you can
    > ring it


    LOL.

    >
    > The point about sandboxing is also an important issue regarding
    > security. Perhaps in time, functions like this will be possible. I do
    > wonder what range the average mobile's IR transmitter would be effective
    > over though. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of us weren't
    > programming our DVD/BlueRay video recorders, switching on our
    > microwave's etc, etc from mobile phones in the not to distant future.
    > Don't knock a bit of speculative thinking.
    >

    Bravo !

    Forward thinking and speculative thinking is what makes those who develop
    and invent strive to do more with more. Or in this case, more with less.

    I mean - phones do more all the time. If you had been told, on getting your
    first mobile, you would be able to buy one in x years time that would fit in
    the palm of your hand and be able to take (albeit not great) pictures, then
    send them to another person in seconds, you'd have probably poo-poohed the
    idea too. I certainly would cos my first mobile was a BT Amber - a thing
    with a suitcase handle on it the size of two house bricks lashed together
    that weighed as much if not more, and was handy not only as an emergency
    communication device for the girl about town but an offensive weapon too.
    ;-)




    Rachael





  8. #8
    Daniel Juhn
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    lets not diverge from the point.
    the original post was getting at an addon module to a current phone.
    sure, maybe phones in the future will have remote control functions, be it
    via IR or bluetooth or something else... but that will be a different phone.
    you cant get a brick phone from several years ago and addon to it.

    "Rachael the Wiccan Rat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Q" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > Daniel Juhn - typed:
    > > > dtmf tones?
    > > > lol
    > > > so this device is going to sit there listening for certain
    > > > frequencies of sound as a supplementary device?
    > > > duncha think that just MAYBE an actual remote would be a **** load
    > > > more effective?

    > >
    > > Yes but as an owner of (only) 5 remote controls, being able to control
    > > all of them including stacking commands would be useful without buying
    > > yet another one. At least if the phone gets lost in the sofa, you can
    > > ring it

    >
    > LOL.
    >
    > >
    > > The point about sandboxing is also an important issue regarding
    > > security. Perhaps in time, functions like this will be possible. I do
    > > wonder what range the average mobile's IR transmitter would be effective
    > > over though. I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of us weren't
    > > programming our DVD/BlueRay video recorders, switching on our
    > > microwave's etc, etc from mobile phones in the not to distant future.
    > > Don't knock a bit of speculative thinking.
    > >

    > Bravo !
    >
    > Forward thinking and speculative thinking is what makes those who develop
    > and invent strive to do more with more. Or in this case, more with less.
    >
    > I mean - phones do more all the time. If you had been told, on getting

    your
    > first mobile, you would be able to buy one in x years time that would fit

    in
    > the palm of your hand and be able to take (albeit not great) pictures,

    then
    > send them to another person in seconds, you'd have probably poo-poohed the
    > idea too. I certainly would cos my first mobile was a BT Amber - a thing
    > with a suitcase handle on it the size of two house bricks lashed together
    > that weighed as much if not more, and was handy not only as an emergency
    > communication device for the girl about town but an offensive weapon too.
    > ;-)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Rachael
    >
    >






  9. #9
    Rachael the Wiccan Rat
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    (post reformatted to make sense of the quotes)


    "Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    >
    > "Rachael the Wiccan Rat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > >


    > >
    > > Forward thinking and speculative thinking is what makes those who

    develop
    > > and invent strive to do more with more. Or in this case, more with less.
    > >
    > > I mean - phones do more all the time. If you had been told, on getting

    > your
    > > first mobile, you would be able to buy one in x years time that would

    fit
    > in
    > > the palm of your hand and be able to take (albeit not great) pictures,

    > then
    > > send them to another person in seconds, you'd have probably poo-poohed

    the
    > > idea too. I certainly would cos my first mobile was a BT Amber - a thing
    > > with a suitcase handle on it the size of two house bricks lashed

    together
    > > that weighed as much if not more, and was handy not only as an emergency
    > > communication device for the girl about town but an offensive weapon

    too.
    > > ;-)


    >
    > > lets not diverge from the point.


    Why not ? It's called "discussion". ;-)

    > the original post was getting at an addon module to a current phone.
    > sure, maybe phones in the future will have remote control functions, be it
    > via IR or bluetooth or something else... but that will be a different

    phone.
    > you cant get a brick phone from several years ago and addon to it.


    No, but someone wanted to, figured it might not work so they decided to make
    a new phone in order to do what they wanted, didn't they ? Ideas all start
    somewhere - and often the first ideas don't work and bear little resemblance
    to the final solution. Live a little in the realm of imagination - it's good
    for you !


    Rachael





  10. #10
    pallex
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the T610
    > because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
    >
    > What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the phone
    > scomehow, could java control it then?
    >
    > I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im getting
    > at!
    >
    > I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > What do u all think?


    I think i'd look at page 67 of the manual which tells you that you'd
    have to sit no more than 30cm away from the TV. If you were that close
    it would be easier to just lean forward and change the channel
    yourself.



  11. #11
    Q
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    pallex - typed:
    > "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    >> Apparently java programs can't be used to control the IR port of the
    >> T610 because java isn't capable of controlling the IR port.
    >>
    >> What it we was to connect an ir led to the bottom connector of the
    >> phone scomehow, could java control it then?
    >>
    >> I obviously don't mean connect it straight to it, but u know what im
    >> getting at!
    >>
    >> I really would like 2 have a tv remote prog 4 my phone!
    >>
    >> Thanks
    >>
    >> What do u all think?

    >
    > I think i'd look at page 67 of the manual which tells you that you'd
    > have to sit no more than 30cm away from the TV. If you were that close
    > it would be easier to just lean forward and change the channel
    > yourself.


    IIRC, there's at least one phone on the market somewhere which has IR
    remote control functionality & presumably the range as well. In other
    words, it has to be designed in. An IR bolt-on accessory is technically
    feasible if not marketable, SE do an LED flashgun afterall.

    Unless the idea of using a phone as a learning remote catches on,
    manufacturers probably won't bother beefing up the IR Tx/Rx IC with its
    consequent considerable increase in power requirements. The alternative
    is for remotes to use BT instead of IR & that's probably doubtful unless
    BT (or BT Lite - less power, b/w & cost which would be similar to
    ZigBee) catches on to the degree where BT becomes cheaper than IR.
    Anything that increases power consumption of a phone is less likely to
    be adopted unless it's a killer app with wide appeal which this probably
    isn't.





  12. #12
    Eddie
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] says...

    > IIRC, there's at least one phone on the market somewhere which has IR
    > remote control functionality & presumably the range as well.
    >
    >
    >

    The Nokia 7650 can be used as a TV remote. Aparently it has a range of
    around 8 feet. Software available from the following site.

    http://www.pc-remote.de.vu/

    The website is German but you can understand enough to get the idea



  13. #13
    Daniel Juhn
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    the point is, it cant be done feasibly, whilst you ass clowns were arguing
    otherwise.
    i never said it cant/wont be dont on a future model phone.

    "Rachael the Wiccan Rat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > (post reformatted to make sense of the quotes)
    >
    >
    > "Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in

    message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    > >
    > > "Rachael the Wiccan Rat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > > >

    >
    > > >
    > > > Forward thinking and speculative thinking is what makes those who

    > develop
    > > > and invent strive to do more with more. Or in this case, more with

    less.
    > > >
    > > > I mean - phones do more all the time. If you had been told, on getting

    > > your
    > > > first mobile, you would be able to buy one in x years time that would

    > fit
    > > in
    > > > the palm of your hand and be able to take (albeit not great) pictures,

    > > then
    > > > send them to another person in seconds, you'd have probably poo-poohed

    > the
    > > > idea too. I certainly would cos my first mobile was a BT Amber - a

    thing
    > > > with a suitcase handle on it the size of two house bricks lashed

    > together
    > > > that weighed as much if not more, and was handy not only as an

    emergency
    > > > communication device for the girl about town but an offensive weapon

    > too.
    > > > ;-)

    >
    > >
    > > > lets not diverge from the point.

    >
    > Why not ? It's called "discussion". ;-)
    >
    > > the original post was getting at an addon module to a current phone.
    > > sure, maybe phones in the future will have remote control functions, be

    it
    > > via IR or bluetooth or something else... but that will be a different

    > phone.
    > > you cant get a brick phone from several years ago and addon to it.

    >
    > No, but someone wanted to, figured it might not work so they decided to

    make
    > a new phone in order to do what they wanted, didn't they ? Ideas all start


    > somewhere - and often the first ideas don't work and bear little

    resemblance
    > to the final solution. Live a little in the realm of imagination - it's

    good
    > for you !
    >
    >
    > Rachael
    >
    >






  14. #14
    Richard Colton
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....

    "Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > the point is, it cant be done feasibly, whilst you ass clowns were arguing
    > otherwise.


    Is there any specific reason you're being so abusive to people asking what
    is after all a reasonable question, or is it that you're reverting back to
    your old ways of picking a fight with whoever is handy?

    As for it being feasably done, it already has been done on several other
    handsets (albeit Symbian or Palm OS based).

    > i never said it cant/wont be dont on a future model phone.


    No, you just implied it - strongly.

    Also, could you please not top-post in future.

    /me sits back and waits for even more abuse to start flying.

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  15. #15
    Rachael the Wiccan Rat
    Guest

    Re: Apparently T610 can't be used as tv remote but.....


    "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "Daniel Juhn" <[email protected]> wrote in

    message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > the point is, it cant be done feasibly, whilst you ass clowns were

    arguing
    > > otherwise.

    >
    > Is there any specific reason you're being so abusive to people asking what
    > is after all a reasonable question, or is it that you're reverting back to
    > your old ways of picking a fight with whoever is handy?
    >
    > As for it being feasably done, it already has been done on several other
    > handsets (albeit Symbian or Palm OS based).


    Found on google ....



    >From: TheThirdDegree ([email protected])
    >Subject: Re: Using the 7650 as a TV remote...!
    >View: Complete Thread (5 articles)
    >Original Format
    >Newsgroups: alt.cellular.nokia
    >Date: 2003-05-06 00:41:58 PST


    >"Stuart Marshman" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    >news:[email protected]
    >> Anyone seen a program around that allows you to use the 7650 as a TV

    remote
    >> control? Or is the range/power of the IR port too low to allow practical
    >> usage?
    >>
    >> Come to that, is there a BT-based remote control available?
    >>

    >
    >The program is IrRemote http://www.psiloc.com/ it works fine from about a 2
    >meter (6 feet) distance. It's cool to play with but if your couch -> tv
    >distance is a bit too far... it simply doesn't work. Fun to use in a
    >electronics store though... mess up all the tv's and such.



    >
    > > i never said it cant/wont be dont on a future model phone.

    >
    > No, you just implied it - strongly.


    And it already has been done as you say - with limitations, sure, but it's
    there in black and white (or colour, depending on your set, ha ha).

    >
    > Also, could you please not top-post in future.
    >
    > /me sits back and waits for even more abuse to start flying.
    >

    He can shout abuse till he's blue in the face as far as I'm concerned - now
    that you have brought it to my attention that he is one of those people who
    just picks fights for the sake of it <yawn>, then I won't hear it. ;-)


    Rachael





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