I CALLED ATT WIRELESS AND.......

"OK, HERE'S THE DEAL, I JUST CALLED 611 AND GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH AN
OPERATOR. THE OPERATOR TOLD ME TO PLEASE HOLD AND SHE CALLED THE OWNER. SHE
SAID, WHEN I CALLED 611 HIS INFORMATION POPPED UP ON HER COMPUTER. SHE ALSO
SAID. HE PUT A DENIAL OF SERVICE ON THE PHONE SO IF I TRIED TO HAVE IT
TURNED ON IT WOULD BE BLACKLISTED. SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO
TELL ME EXCEPT THAT I SHOULD TAKE IT TO THE POLICE STATION AND THEY W OULD
FIND THE GUY PERHAPS. (( LETS BE FOR REAL)) COPS DONT HAVE TIME TO TRACK
DOWN CELL PHONE OWNERS UNLESS ITS THE ONLY WAY TO TRACK DOWN A MURDERER
PERHAPS. I BELIEVE THAT THE LAW SAYS IF NOBODY CLAIMS A LOST ITEM FOR 30
DAYS, THE PERSON WHO TURNED IT IN AS LOST BECOMES THE OWNER. BUT IN REALITY,
I BET A COP WOULD JUST PUT THE PHONE IN HIS POCKET , SO IM NOT GOING TO THE
POLICE. IF ATT CANT HELP ME, THAN THE PHONE IS MINE.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS BLACK LIST DENIAL OF SERVICES THING.

1)IS THIS JUST AN ATT BLACK LIST OR WILL A SMALLER (IF YOU WANT TO CALL CELL
COMPANIES SMALL) CELL COMPANY NOT KNOW ABOUT OR NOT CARE ABOUT THE LIST?
2) IS THE PHONE INFORMATION BUILT INTO THE PHONES HARDWARE OR CAN I DELETE
ANY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION FROM THE PHONE WITH ONE OF THOSE USB TO PHONE
CORDS THAT LET YOU ADD RING TONES ETC.
3)AM I CORRECT TO THINK THAT A DIGITAL CELL PHONE IS JUST LIKE A COMPUTER,
WHERE ALL OF THE IDENTIFYING NUMBERS ARE BUILT INTO THE SOFTWARE AND NOT THE
HARD WARE?
4) IF I WERE TO PEEL THE STICKER WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER OFF OF THE BACK OF
THE PHONE WILL ANYBODY STILLACTIVATE IT.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT I WENT OVER AND ABOVE DOING THE RIGHT THING....PS,
I ALREADY DELETED ALLTHE PHONE NUMBER FROM THE PHONE BECAUSE IM NOT CALLING
ANYBODY FROM A CELL PHONE THAT I FOUND. I DONT WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF
ANYTHING. ALSO, THE OPERATOR SAID THE GUYS HOME NUMBER IS NO LONGER IN
SERVICE SO NOT EVEN ATT CAN REACH HIM.

N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Another option.
> If you can't get ahold of the original owner,
> or don't want to call the original owner directly.
> You could call 611 on the phone, and
> get ahold of a live operator.
>
> Tell them that you got the phone from a thrift shop,
> or good will store.(which I have gotten a few from myself.)
>
> And tell them that you are thinking about using the thing,
> Then tell them that you were wondering if the phone
> had been reported lost or stolen.
> And that you was just calling to make sure that the thing
> was clean.
>
> It shouldn't be out of the ordinary for them.
> some people run up a huge bill on the phone and refuse to pay.
> They pawn off the phone at the pawn shop, or what ever.
> And the person that gets it next will not know that it is locked
> down with debt, or what ever.
>
> Just act like you are totally in the dark about it's original origin,
> and they should give you a direct answer to your question.
>
> And on a side note, they won't have any direct link to you,
> if they get cranky.
>
> If it is reported stolen, they may ask you to please
> turn it in at the nearest cellular store.
> If they do, then do as they say.
> It wouldn't be fun to have a run in with the police
> and have stolen property in your possession.
>
>

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› See More: I CALLED ATT WIRELESS AND.......

> I BELIEVE THAT THE LAW SAYS IF NOBODY CLAIMS A LOST ITEM FOR 30
> DAYS, THE PERSON WHO TURNED IT IN AS LOST BECOMES THE OWNER. BUT IN
REALITY,
> I BET A COP WOULD JUST PUT THE PHONE IN HIS POCKET , SO IM NOT GOING TO
THE
> POLICE. IF ATT CANT HELP ME, THAN THE PHONE IS MINE.

ATT can't bypass the original owners request.
If you turn it into the police, and get a claim number,
then the owner has 30 days to claim the device.
If he doesn't, then it's yours.
But that doesn't help the black list problem.

> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS BLACK LIST DENIAL OF SERVICES THING.
>
> 1)IS THIS JUST AN ATT BLACK LIST OR WILL A SMALLER (IF YOU WANT TO CALL
CELL
> COMPANIES SMALL) CELL COMPANY NOT KNOW ABOUT OR NOT CARE ABOUT THE LIST?

Any cellular company, will see that it is black listed, when they try to set
it up.
And they will refuse to set it up because of that.

> 2) IS THE PHONE INFORMATION BUILT INTO THE PHONES HARDWARE OR CAN I DELETE
> ANY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION FROM THE PHONE WITH ONE OF THOSE USB TO PHONE
> CORDS THAT LET YOU ADD RING TONES ETC.

It if permanently burned into the phone hardware.
That permanent ESN is required by FCC rules.

> 3)AM I CORRECT TO THINK THAT A DIGITAL CELL PHONE IS JUST LIKE A COMPUTER,
> WHERE ALL OF THE IDENTIFYING NUMBERS ARE BUILT INTO THE SOFTWARE AND NOT
THE
> HARD WARE?

The phone number that you program in, is in software writeable memory.
But the esn is not changeable
The ESN is what is what they blacklist.

> 4) IF I WERE TO PEEL THE STICKER WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER OFF OF THE BACK OF
> THE PHONE WILL ANYBODY STILLACTIVATE IT.

They will still have to have the ESN to activate it.
The ESN is one of the things that it uses to identify it's self to the
network.
If they can't find a sticker when they program it, they will just look at
the ESN when it's in programming mode, and they will end up finding out
that it is black listed.
When he tries to activate it, it will be black listed, and totally
worthless.

> PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT I WENT OVER AND ABOVE DOING THE RIGHT
THING....PS,
> I ALREADY DELETED ALLTHE PHONE NUMBER FROM THE PHONE BECAUSE IM NOT
CALLING
> ANYBODY FROM A CELL PHONE THAT I FOUND. I DONT WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF
> ANYTHING. ALSO, THE OPERATOR SAID THE GUYS HOME NUMBER IS NO LONGER IN
> SERVICE SO NOT EVEN ATT CAN REACH HIM.

That is why I would call the number that was programmed into the phone.
Because when he lost the one you have now, he would have changed his number
to the new phone.
Or you could call his contacts, and see if any of them can get you in
contact with the original owner.

The ONLY person that can remove that order is the original owner!
Without his OK, the phone is a fancy paperweight.

You won't be accused of anything.
You are just trying to find the owner of something you found.
There is nothing wrong with that.

Now........ one possibility, if you were really wanted to work the channels.
Turn the phone in to the police, let it go through it's 30 days.

(They won't pocket it themselves.
Lost cellular phones are mostly worthless.
as you are finding out.)

When you get it back.
call ATT on the phone, at the police station.
Tell them that you want the original owners order revoked
base on the fact that the phone is now legally yours.
And let the police person that handles the lost items tell
the ATT operator that it has went though legal channels.
And the police can tell the operator the proper claim number
that will verify your claim.

Or the police station can remove it from the list themselves.
(if possible)

The police go though a lot of stolen electronics,
and cell phones would not be anything new to them.

But in the end, it would be easier to go on ebay,
and buy a $60 phone.
Or go to the local cellular stores and ask if any of them
have any used phones that they would be willing to sell
to someone that is looking for a cheap phone to
put on a prepaid account.
you may get one for free if you are lucky.

Or go to the thrift shops.
You can usually get one for a few dollars.

And one more way I can think of.

Turn it in, and get the claim number.

As you say, the police won't take the
time to find the original owner.
So

In 30 days, you can claim it.
And make sure to get the full documentation of your claim.
It will show that you are the owner of the phone with that ESN.
You will have full legal right to it.

Take that documentation to the nearest ATT wireless store.
SHOW it to them and ask for the restriction to be removed.
If the person is reasonable, he should be able to do it.

Bottom line...

You are a stupid nutbag. Get a clue moron.

****ING IDIOT!!

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:41:19 GMT, "lamont" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"OK, HERE'S THE DEAL, I JUST CALLED 611 AND GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH AN
>OPERATOR. THE OPERATOR TOLD ME TO PLEASE HOLD AND SHE CALLED THE OWNER. SHE
>SAID, WHEN I CALLED 611 HIS INFORMATION POPPED UP ON HER COMPUTER. SHE ALSO
>SAID. HE PUT A DENIAL OF SERVICE ON THE PHONE SO IF I TRIED TO HAVE IT
>TURNED ON IT WOULD BE BLACKLISTED. SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO
>TELL ME EXCEPT THAT I SHOULD TAKE IT TO THE POLICE STATION AND THEY W OULD
>FIND THE GUY PERHAPS. (( LETS BE FOR REAL)) COPS DONT HAVE TIME TO TRACK
>DOWN CELL PHONE OWNERS UNLESS ITS THE ONLY WAY TO TRACK DOWN A MURDERER
>PERHAPS. I BELIEVE THAT THE LAW SAYS IF NOBODY CLAIMS A LOST ITEM FOR 30
>DAYS, THE PERSON WHO TURNED IT IN AS LOST BECOMES THE OWNER. BUT IN REALITY,
>I BET A COP WOULD JUST PUT THE PHONE IN HIS POCKET , SO IM NOT GOING TO THE
>POLICE. IF ATT CANT HELP ME, THAN THE PHONE IS MINE.
>
>I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS BLACK LIST DENIAL OF SERVICES THING.
>
>1)IS THIS JUST AN ATT BLACK LIST OR WILL A SMALLER (IF YOU WANT TO CALL CELL
>COMPANIES SMALL) CELL COMPANY NOT KNOW ABOUT OR NOT CARE ABOUT THE LIST?
>2) IS THE PHONE INFORMATION BUILT INTO THE PHONES HARDWARE OR CAN I DELETE
>ANY IDENTIFYING INFORMATION FROM THE PHONE WITH ONE OF THOSE USB TO PHONE
>CORDS THAT LET YOU ADD RING TONES ETC.
>3)AM I CORRECT TO THINK THAT A DIGITAL CELL PHONE IS JUST LIKE A COMPUTER,
>WHERE ALL OF THE IDENTIFYING NUMBERS ARE BUILT INTO THE SOFTWARE AND NOT THE
>HARD WARE?
>4) IF I WERE TO PEEL THE STICKER WITH THE SERIAL NUMBER OFF OF THE BACK OF
>THE PHONE WILL ANYBODY STILLACTIVATE IT.
>
>PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT I WENT OVER AND ABOVE DOING THE RIGHT THING....PS,
>I ALREADY DELETED ALLTHE PHONE NUMBER FROM THE PHONE BECAUSE IM NOT CALLING
>ANYBODY FROM A CELL PHONE THAT I FOUND. I DONT WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF
>ANYTHING. ALSO, THE OPERATOR SAID THE GUYS HOME NUMBER IS NO LONGER IN
>SERVICE SO NOT EVEN ATT CAN REACH HIM.
>
>N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Another option.
>> If you can't get ahold of the original owner,
>> or don't want to call the original owner directly.
>> You could call 611 on the phone, and
>> get ahold of a live operator.
>>
>> Tell them that you got the phone from a thrift shop,
>> or good will store.(which I have gotten a few from myself.)
>>
>> And tell them that you are thinking about using the thing,
>> Then tell them that you were wondering if the phone
>> had been reported lost or stolen.
>> And that you was just calling to make sure that the thing
>> was clean.
>>
>> It shouldn't be out of the ordinary for them.
>> some people run up a huge bill on the phone and refuse to pay.
>> They pawn off the phone at the pawn shop, or what ever.
>> And the person that gets it next will not know that it is locked
>> down with debt, or what ever.
>>
>> Just act like you are totally in the dark about it's original origin,
>> and they should give you a direct answer to your question.
>>
>> And on a side note, they won't have any direct link to you,
>> if they get cranky.
>>
>> If it is reported stolen, they may ask you to please
>> turn it in at the nearest cellular store.
>> If they do, then do as they say.
>> It wouldn't be fun to have a run in with the police
>> and have stolen property in your possession.
>>
>>
>