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  1. #1
    nobody
    Guest
    I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.

    --quote--

    Page 9

    Body-Worn Operation

    To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    your body when transmitting.




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  2. #2
    MegaBit
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    Don't know where you have been but this is normal since day 1 of V60 going
    back several years now. It's related to SAR (specific absorption rate) and
    the reason all Motorola holsters tip the phone out by 15 degrees or so-- it
    keeps the antenna about 1 inch from the plane in which the clip is located
    (although most people I see on the street have a bulge about their waist
    that offsets the offset).

    Every manufacturer has to meet the same requirement but I doubt that it's
    changed the way anyone carries their phone in their pocket.

    "nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    > pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    > Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.
    >
    > --quote--
    >
    > Page 9
    >
    > Body-Worn Operation
    >
    > To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    > a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    > Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    > harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    > by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    > use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    > and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    > the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    > your body when transmitting.
    >






  3. #3
    MegaBit
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    Don't know where you have been but this is normal since day 1 of V60 going
    back several years now. It's related to SAR (specific absorption rate) and
    the reason all Motorola holsters tip the phone out by 15 degrees or so-- it
    keeps the antenna about 1 inch from the plane in which the clip is located
    (although most people I see on the street have a bulge about their waist
    that offsets the offset).

    Every manufacturer has to meet the same requirement but I doubt that it's
    changed the way anyone carries their phone in their pocket.

    "nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    > pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    > Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.
    >
    > --quote--
    >
    > Page 9
    >
    > Body-Worn Operation
    >
    > To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    > a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    > Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    > harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    > by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    > use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    > and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    > the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    > your body when transmitting.
    >






  4. #4
    picopirate
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    Xref: news.newshosting.com alt.cellular.motorola:36357

    Read closer, it said "when transmitting" that means when in a call. Verry
    little RF is given off when not in a call (thats why your battery drains
    faster when in a call). I think what they are saying here is if you are in
    a data call or using an earbud then you should not have it in your pocket.

    The funny thing is.... I have a FM raidio headset for my v300 and its
    holdter/pouch bocks the data port (bottom of phone) where the headset plugs
    in. So if Im using my FM radio headset, I have to put the phone in my
    pocket. Granted, if the phone rings Ill pull it out to check the caller ID
    and then probably just hold onto the phone, but I think most people would
    just put it back in their pocket.

    "nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    > pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    > Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.
    >
    > --quote--
    >
    > Page 9
    >
    > Body-Worn Operation
    >
    > To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    > a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    > Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    > harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    > by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    > use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    > and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    > the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    > your body when transmitting.
    >






  5. #5
    picopirate
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    Read closer, it said "when transmitting" that means when in a call. Verry
    little RF is given off when not in a call (thats why your battery drains
    faster when in a call). I think what they are saying here is if you are in
    a data call or using an earbud then you should not have it in your pocket.

    The funny thing is.... I have a FM raidio headset for my v300 and its
    holdter/pouch bocks the data port (bottom of phone) where the headset plugs
    in. So if Im using my FM radio headset, I have to put the phone in my
    pocket. Granted, if the phone rings Ill pull it out to check the caller ID
    and then probably just hold onto the phone, but I think most people would
    just put it back in their pocket.

    "nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    > pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    > Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.
    >
    > --quote--
    >
    > Page 9
    >
    > Body-Worn Operation
    >
    > To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    > a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    > Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    > harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    > by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    > use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    > and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    > the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    > your body when transmitting.
    >






  6. #6
    SA
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    An inch from your body? ....... does that include your hands?

    Does that mean that you should lay the phone down on something ... and get
    close (but not that close).






  7. #7
    SA
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    An inch from your body? ....... does that include your hands?

    Does that mean that you should lay the phone down on something ... and get
    close (but not that close).






  8. #8
    Named
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    Then why doesn't Motorola give out the holster or clip along with the
    V400? Isn't customer safety and health their no. 1 concern? They
    should issue a warning to thousands of users who use their phone
    without a holster that they can be subject to RF Energy Exposure.

    Wait till some really bad comes out in the news, then Motorola would
    say we have stated it in the manual but almost no one paid any
    attention.

    Nothing much we average users can do with this, unless some health
    organizations look into it and give us an explicit explanation.


    On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:27:00 -0700, "MegaBit" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Don't know where you have been but this is normal since day 1 of V60 going
    >back several years now. It's related to SAR (specific absorption rate) and
    >the reason all Motorola holsters tip the phone out by 15 degrees or so-- it
    >keeps the antenna about 1 inch from the plane in which the clip is located
    >(although most people I see on the street have a bulge about their waist
    >that offsets the offset).
    >
    >Every manufacturer has to meet the same requirement but I doubt that it's
    >changed the way anyone carries their phone in their pocket.
    >
    >"nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    >> pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    >> Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.
    >>
    >> --quote--
    >>
    >> Page 9
    >>
    >> Body-Worn Operation
    >>
    >> To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    >> a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    >> Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    >> harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    >> by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    >> use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    >> and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    >> the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    >> your body when transmitting.
    >>

    >





  9. #9
    Named
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    Then why doesn't Motorola give out the holster or clip along with the
    V400? Isn't customer safety and health their no. 1 concern? They
    should issue a warning to thousands of users who use their phone
    without a holster that they can be subject to RF Energy Exposure.

    Wait till some really bad comes out in the news, then Motorola would
    say we have stated it in the manual but almost no one paid any
    attention.

    Nothing much we average users can do with this, unless some health
    organizations look into it and give us an explicit explanation.


    On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 21:27:00 -0700, "MegaBit" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Don't know where you have been but this is normal since day 1 of V60 going
    >back several years now. It's related to SAR (specific absorption rate) and
    >the reason all Motorola holsters tip the phone out by 15 degrees or so-- it
    >keeps the antenna about 1 inch from the plane in which the clip is located
    >(although most people I see on the street have a bulge about their waist
    >that offsets the offset).
    >
    >Every manufacturer has to meet the same requirement but I doubt that it's
    >changed the way anyone carries their phone in their pocket.
    >
    >"nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    >> pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    >> Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.
    >>
    >> --quote--
    >>
    >> Page 9
    >>
    >> Body-Worn Operation
    >>
    >> To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    >> a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    >> Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    >> harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    >> by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    >> use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    >> and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    >> the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    >> your body when transmitting.
    >>

    >





  10. #10
    D. Weatherwax
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    This is CYA legalize, and all cell manufacturers use it. In standby, the
    phone emits absolutely miniscule amounts of RF. If this tiny bit of RF were
    harmful, we would all be dead, or have ill effects. Remember cell phones
    have been in constant use for over 20 years now. When calling, a cell
    phone puts out between 100 to 300 milliwatts, a still small amount when
    compared to a business band walkie talkie. However it might be enough to
    mess up an older pacemaker, and I would not want to have 300 mw next to my
    chest for long periods of time. If you spend hours on your cell phone every
    day and you use an earbud, so the phone is in your pocket ...then heed the
    warning.

    "nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    > pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    > Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.
    >
    > --quote--
    >
    > Page 9
    >
    > Body-Worn Operation
    >
    > To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    > a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    > Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    > harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    > by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    > use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    > and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    > the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    > your body when transmitting.
    >






  11. #11
    D. Weatherwax
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    This is CYA legalize, and all cell manufacturers use it. In standby, the
    phone emits absolutely miniscule amounts of RF. If this tiny bit of RF were
    harmful, we would all be dead, or have ill effects. Remember cell phones
    have been in constant use for over 20 years now. When calling, a cell
    phone puts out between 100 to 300 milliwatts, a still small amount when
    compared to a business band walkie talkie. However it might be enough to
    mess up an older pacemaker, and I would not want to have 300 mw next to my
    chest for long periods of time. If you spend hours on your cell phone every
    day and you use an earbud, so the phone is in your pocket ...then heed the
    warning.

    "nobody" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I buy a flip-phone so I can keep it in my pocket. Sometimes the inner
    > pocket of my jacket. That makes it less than 1 inch from my heart.
    > Bee-beep! I feel RF is penetrating my heart.
    >
    > --quote--
    >
    > Page 9
    >
    > Body-Worn Operation
    >
    > To maintain compliance with RF energy exposure guidelines, if you wear
    > a phone on your body when transmitting, always place the phone in
    > Motorola-supplied or approved clip, holder, holster, case, or body
    > harness for this phone, if available. Use of accesories no approved
    > by Motorola may exceed RF energy exposure guidelines. If you do not
    > use one of the body-worn accessories approved or supplied by Motorola,
    > and are not using the phone held in the normal use position, ensure
    > the phone and its antenna are at least 1 inch (2.5 centimeters) from
    > your body when transmitting.
    >






  12. #12
    Peter Kis
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    Hi,


    D. Weatherwax wrote:

    > harmful, we would all be dead, or have ill effects. Remember cell phones
    > have been in constant use for over 20 years now.


    No, cell phones have been in GENERAL use for only about 7-10 years
    (depending on the country) now. Before that, they were used by very few
    people only - plus: the G1 phones used different frequencies and sent
    out different types of radiation than the current digital generation
    (G2). Now, in medical terms, 7-10 years is simply (by far) not enough to
    rule out long-term effects. Take a look at smoking: hardly anyone gets
    noticably sick after 7-10 years of smoking. The picture looks entirely
    different if you double or triple the time frame.
    Now, I'm not at all claiming that cell phone radiation is harmful. I
    use a cell myself and I know there's simply no prove for any danger. But
    there's absolutely no prove for cell phones being harmless either. It's
    going to take another 20-30 years until that statement can be made - if
    only based on the lack of serious diseases that can be attributed
    directly to HF radiation.
    Until we know cell phone radiation is harmless, it's smarter to take the
    precautions our governments suggest: use bluetooth headsets (bluetooth
    also uses HF radiation, but the intensity is far less), use your cells
    only when necessary, avoid talking to long on a cell etc.


    > phone puts out between 100 to 300 milliwatts, a still small amount when
    > compared to a business band walkie talkie.


    right. does the general population use business band walkie talkies? In
    Europe definitely not. As long as the number of people using a device is
    small, there's no way of scientifically proving side effects.

    regards,

    Peter



  13. #13
    Peter Kis
    Guest

    Re: Scary stuff from Moto V400 manual

    Hi,


    D. Weatherwax wrote:

    > harmful, we would all be dead, or have ill effects. Remember cell phones
    > have been in constant use for over 20 years now.


    No, cell phones have been in GENERAL use for only about 7-10 years
    (depending on the country) now. Before that, they were used by very few
    people only - plus: the G1 phones used different frequencies and sent
    out different types of radiation than the current digital generation
    (G2). Now, in medical terms, 7-10 years is simply (by far) not enough to
    rule out long-term effects. Take a look at smoking: hardly anyone gets
    noticably sick after 7-10 years of smoking. The picture looks entirely
    different if you double or triple the time frame.
    Now, I'm not at all claiming that cell phone radiation is harmful. I
    use a cell myself and I know there's simply no prove for any danger. But
    there's absolutely no prove for cell phones being harmless either. It's
    going to take another 20-30 years until that statement can be made - if
    only based on the lack of serious diseases that can be attributed
    directly to HF radiation.
    Until we know cell phone radiation is harmless, it's smarter to take the
    precautions our governments suggest: use bluetooth headsets (bluetooth
    also uses HF radiation, but the intensity is far less), use your cells
    only when necessary, avoid talking to long on a cell etc.


    > phone puts out between 100 to 300 milliwatts, a still small amount when
    > compared to a business band walkie talkie.


    right. does the general population use business band walkie talkies? In
    Europe definitely not. As long as the number of people using a device is
    small, there's no way of scientifically proving side effects.

    regards,

    Peter



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