Bottom Line...V710...Does this **** work or not?

David L wrote:

> "Killer Madness" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>Too bad Verizon's
>>phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...
>
>
> A verizon employee reports this Nokia is in their system
> (infomanager?). Will be launched after current 3595i's are sold out.
>
> Nokia 6015i Phone
>
> http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6015i...feat:1,00.html

There's a damned good reason Verizon doesn't carry more Nokia phones. Nokia,
for a long time, ignored CDMA while focusing on TDMA and GSM -- I recall a time
when just about every phone AT&T Wireless used to carry was a Nokia, for
example. Between the 2180/2170 and the 5185i was several years of absolute crap
masquerading as (a small number of) Nokia CDMA handsets. Sprint stopped selling
Nokia for a while, too.

I can't blame any CDMA carrier for hesitating to commit to selling lots of
Nokia models, although it seems Nokia may have finally Found Clue and gotten
their act together.

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David L wrote:

> "Killer Madness" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>Too bad Verizon's
>>phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...
>
>
> A verizon employee reports this Nokia is in their system
> (infomanager?). Will be launched after current 3595i's are sold out.
>
> Nokia 6015i Phone
>
> http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6015i...feat:1,00.html

There's a damned good reason Verizon doesn't carry more Nokia phones. Nokia,
for a long time, ignored CDMA while focusing on TDMA and GSM -- I recall a time
when just about every phone AT&T Wireless used to carry was a Nokia, for
example. Between the 2180/2170 and the 5185i was several years of absolute crap
masquerading as (a small number of) Nokia CDMA handsets. Sprint stopped selling
Nokia for a while, too.

I can't blame any CDMA carrier for hesitating to commit to selling lots of
Nokia models, although it seems Nokia may have finally Found Clue and gotten
their act together.

--
JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

[email protected] (FELIX) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (David L) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > I'm waiting for the Audiovox 9900, made in Japan. At least they own
> > quite a bit of the US.
> >
> > -
> > David
>
>
> Do you have any specs on this phone? I checked Phonescoop but I found nothing....

I'm pleased with the Audiovox 9500. Came out with the LG4400. Fine
Japanese phone with a few flaws. (Flat buttons, small external
dispaly, volume control inside phone, no side buttons) But the BEST
analog reception of any VZW handset and easy to read.
Hoping the 9900 still has great reception capabilities and flaws ppear
to be fixed. The display resolution is reported as stellar. Due out
around Sept 30-Oct 7.
Nokia 6015i comming soon too.

Audiovox CDM-9900 Specifications & Features (Phone Scoop)

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=407

Reviews of the Sprint version, released many months ago. Very similar
to VZW version, different firmware and the buttons are slightly
changed.
Audiovox CDM-9950 / Toshiba VM4050 User Reviews (Phone Scoop)

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/use....php?phone=352

Detailed info.
http://home.comcast.net/~fauguy/CDM9900.pdf

-
David

[email protected] (FELIX) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (David L) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > I'm waiting for the Audiovox 9900, made in Japan. At least they own
> > quite a bit of the US.
> >
> > -
> > David
>
>
> Do you have any specs on this phone? I checked Phonescoop but I found nothing....

I'm pleased with the Audiovox 9500. Came out with the LG4400. Fine
Japanese phone with a few flaws. (Flat buttons, small external
dispaly, volume control inside phone, no side buttons) But the BEST
analog reception of any VZW handset and easy to read.
Hoping the 9900 still has great reception capabilities and flaws ppear
to be fixed. The display resolution is reported as stellar. Due out
around Sept 30-Oct 7.
Nokia 6015i comming soon too.

Audiovox CDM-9900 Specifications & Features (Phone Scoop)

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=407

Reviews of the Sprint version, released many months ago. Very similar
to VZW version, different firmware and the buttons are slightly
changed.
Audiovox CDM-9950 / Toshiba VM4050 User Reviews (Phone Scoop)

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/use....php?phone=352

Detailed info.
http://home.comcast.net/~fauguy/CDM9900.pdf

-
David

Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> David L wrote:
>
> > "Killer Madness" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> >>Too bad Verizon's
> >>phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...
> >
> >
> > A verizon employee reports this Nokia is in their system
> > (infomanager?). Will be launched after current 3595i's are sold out.
> >
> > Nokia 6015i Phone
> >
> > http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6015i...feat:1,00.html
>
> There's a damned good reason Verizon doesn't carry more Nokia phones. Nokia,
> for a long time, ignored CDMA while focusing on TDMA and GSM -- I recall a time
> when just about every phone AT&T Wireless used to carry was a Nokia, for
> example. Between the 2180/2170 and the 5185i was several years of absolute crap
> masquerading as (a small number of) Nokia CDMA handsets. Sprint stopped selling
> Nokia for a while, too.
>
> I can't blame any CDMA carrier for hesitating to commit to selling lots of
> Nokia models, although it seems Nokia may have finally Found Clue and gotten
> their act together.

Correct. Nokia just had to "roll their own" cdma chips IIRC and they
teed off a lot of big cdma carriers in the process.
With the amazing RF capabilties of the 3585/3595i's perhaps they have
redeemed themselves, though Verizon seems to have relegated to using
Nokia as free or bottom line handsets. I even saw some new models on
SPCS...shock. So all must be well. If Nokia ever gets a chance (or an
order) to supply an upscale handset(flip), with the same top notch
digital RF, I still think they could write their own ticket.

Problem IMO, is Nokia gives too much away or controls accessories, sw,
ringtones and makes too many cheap/cross model accessories, so VZW
doesn't get to soak each new handset model buyer with oddball limited
channel release accessories. There's big money in all those extras and
Verizon likes to control every angle possible, associated with each
handset used on their network, which could produce additional revenue,
despite the hassles it causes consumers.

I think VZW likes Motorola because of the low prices, courtesy of
mainland Chinese gulag wages. The ability to buy at a cut rate prices,
along with the huge volumes Mot can supply, even though their crap
often comes out half baked, makes VZW a ready customer. Motorola
phones look good and work ok and Motorola figured out how important a
"professional" look is... why can't those other handset makers produce
a simple understated, adult design?
While Mot still manages to maintain a respectable name recognition
(how is beyond me) among users that don't seem to look any further
than a nicely designed facade, and where many suite types seem to fear
anything that doesn't match some uniformity of image and neck ties...
in a great yawn of uninspired conformity, a "professional" look, along
a misplaced faith in a long gone, USA Motorola quality and
dominence...the currant Motorola effluvia continues to sell.
Kinda like Bose speakers.
And the frequent bad phones are cheap to swap out.

-
David

Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> David L wrote:
>
> > "Killer Madness" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> >>Too bad Verizon's
> >>phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...
> >
> >
> > A verizon employee reports this Nokia is in their system
> > (infomanager?). Will be launched after current 3595i's are sold out.
> >
> > Nokia 6015i Phone
> >
> > http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6015i...feat:1,00.html
>
> There's a damned good reason Verizon doesn't carry more Nokia phones. Nokia,
> for a long time, ignored CDMA while focusing on TDMA and GSM -- I recall a time
> when just about every phone AT&T Wireless used to carry was a Nokia, for
> example. Between the 2180/2170 and the 5185i was several years of absolute crap
> masquerading as (a small number of) Nokia CDMA handsets. Sprint stopped selling
> Nokia for a while, too.
>
> I can't blame any CDMA carrier for hesitating to commit to selling lots of
> Nokia models, although it seems Nokia may have finally Found Clue and gotten
> their act together.

Correct. Nokia just had to "roll their own" cdma chips IIRC and they
teed off a lot of big cdma carriers in the process.
With the amazing RF capabilties of the 3585/3595i's perhaps they have
redeemed themselves, though Verizon seems to have relegated to using
Nokia as free or bottom line handsets. I even saw some new models on
SPCS...shock. So all must be well. If Nokia ever gets a chance (or an
order) to supply an upscale handset(flip), with the same top notch
digital RF, I still think they could write their own ticket.

Problem IMO, is Nokia gives too much away or controls accessories, sw,
ringtones and makes too many cheap/cross model accessories, so VZW
doesn't get to soak each new handset model buyer with oddball limited
channel release accessories. There's big money in all those extras and
Verizon likes to control every angle possible, associated with each
handset used on their network, which could produce additional revenue,
despite the hassles it causes consumers.

I think VZW likes Motorola because of the low prices, courtesy of
mainland Chinese gulag wages. The ability to buy at a cut rate prices,
along with the huge volumes Mot can supply, even though their crap
often comes out half baked, makes VZW a ready customer. Motorola
phones look good and work ok and Motorola figured out how important a
"professional" look is... why can't those other handset makers produce
a simple understated, adult design?
While Mot still manages to maintain a respectable name recognition
(how is beyond me) among users that don't seem to look any further
than a nicely designed facade, and where many suite types seem to fear
anything that doesn't match some uniformity of image and neck ties...
in a great yawn of uninspired conformity, a "professional" look, along
a misplaced faith in a long gone, USA Motorola quality and
dominence...the currant Motorola effluvia continues to sell.
Kinda like Bose speakers.
And the frequent bad phones are cheap to swap out.

-
David

It's not America my friend...it's Verizon Wireless. Other carrier's
(acutally all of them) don't cripple or disable hardware functions on any of
the phones they provide. Of course it was all done on purpose. Now that
everyone is actually doing the real R&D for this phone another model will
eventually hit the market probably after the holidays.

"Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So, I have to wait 2 mos. for this crap to work when it should have done
> all of that in the first place? Geez, what the hell is America coming to?
> So, did they (Verizon or/and Motorola) cripple the phone on purpose? I've
> read that here in the group. So, after November I will be able to sync my
> contacts and schedule into this phone by phone or USB cable?
>
> I don't think I can wait. What a bitter taste in my mouth. Guess, I
> have to go Korean or Japanese (Kyocera). Get a clue American
> corporations! Don't **** your base.
>
> - Lawrence
>
>
> "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> According to Motorola in answer to a question I posted on their site, the
>> November Phone Tools update will allow Bluetooth or USB retrieval of
>> pictures and syncing to PC.
>>
>> "Regarding your question, the solution consists of a firmware upgrade
>> that will restore the OBEX profile missing in the V710. Once done this
>> the V710
>> will be Bluetooth enabled and you will be able to retrieve the camera
>> pictures via the Bluetooth link or via a USB connection."
>>
>> Gregg Hill
>>
>>
>> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and, to
>>>my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't
>>>work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought
>>>the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in
>>>Outlook with my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in
>>>India said when I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company
>>>that makes Mobile Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade
>>>(I believe it was version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't
>>>recognize the phone; however, the software can recognize that I have plug
>>>the USB cable in the computer and phone and attempts to find the phone.
>>>After that, the program's phone picture interface says, "Intializing" but
>>>never finds the phone. I click on the option to find an upgrade and it
>>>did (version 2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again." Crap still doesn't
>>>recognize the phone.
>>>
>>> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or is
>>> this just crap?
>>>
>>> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy
>>> told me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>>>
>>> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
>>> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he
>>> was really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he
>>> will take the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will
>>> credit me and shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another
>>> phone (I must also add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact
>>> the Verizon's and Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is a
>>> Bluetooth phone with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices
>>> for headsets, data, etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA
>>> anywhere at anytime.
>>>
>>> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
>>> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American this
>>> time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky Goldstar -
>>> ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I don't want
>>> to support that economy because they don't believe in buying **** from
>>> anyone else but Korean.
>>>
>>> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>>>
>>> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>>> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

It's not America my friend...it's Verizon Wireless. Other carrier's
(acutally all of them) don't cripple or disable hardware functions on any of
the phones they provide. Of course it was all done on purpose. Now that
everyone is actually doing the real R&D for this phone another model will
eventually hit the market probably after the holidays.

"Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So, I have to wait 2 mos. for this crap to work when it should have done
> all of that in the first place? Geez, what the hell is America coming to?
> So, did they (Verizon or/and Motorola) cripple the phone on purpose? I've
> read that here in the group. So, after November I will be able to sync my
> contacts and schedule into this phone by phone or USB cable?
>
> I don't think I can wait. What a bitter taste in my mouth. Guess, I
> have to go Korean or Japanese (Kyocera). Get a clue American
> corporations! Don't **** your base.
>
> - Lawrence
>
>
> "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> According to Motorola in answer to a question I posted on their site, the
>> November Phone Tools update will allow Bluetooth or USB retrieval of
>> pictures and syncing to PC.
>>
>> "Regarding your question, the solution consists of a firmware upgrade
>> that will restore the OBEX profile missing in the V710. Once done this
>> the V710
>> will be Bluetooth enabled and you will be able to retrieve the camera
>> pictures via the Bluetooth link or via a USB connection."
>>
>> Gregg Hill
>>
>>
>> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and, to
>>>my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't
>>>work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought
>>>the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in
>>>Outlook with my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in
>>>India said when I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company
>>>that makes Mobile Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade
>>>(I believe it was version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't
>>>recognize the phone; however, the software can recognize that I have plug
>>>the USB cable in the computer and phone and attempts to find the phone.
>>>After that, the program's phone picture interface says, "Intializing" but
>>>never finds the phone. I click on the option to find an upgrade and it
>>>did (version 2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again." Crap still doesn't
>>>recognize the phone.
>>>
>>> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or is
>>> this just crap?
>>>
>>> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy
>>> told me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>>>
>>> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
>>> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he
>>> was really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he
>>> will take the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will
>>> credit me and shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another
>>> phone (I must also add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact
>>> the Verizon's and Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is a
>>> Bluetooth phone with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices
>>> for headsets, data, etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA
>>> anywhere at anytime.
>>>
>>> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
>>> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American this
>>> time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky Goldstar -
>>> ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I don't want
>>> to support that economy because they don't believe in buying **** from
>>> anyone else but Korean.
>>>
>>> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>>>
>>> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>>> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Strange, i've been syncing with a USB cable and infrared when I was on AT&T
and Cingular for a long ass time. As you tell some one to "wait" for that
ability which actually should have been there in the first place is a
ridiculous thing. Needless to say, and unfortunately I'm back on Verizon
Wireless using the only phone I would allow myself to use. Their Nokia 3589i
model, which I can sync and transfer files just fine. There's no waiting for
me...but some one who spent hundreds of dollars on a phone will have to.
Doesn't make sense to me, but as usual everyone will disagree with me and
think spending a whole **** load of money and having to wait for a feature
to work (that should have when you bought it) is a normal thing.
Who figures?

"Jon Clark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does LG or Kyocera or Samsung or Sanyo make a CDMA (or GSM) phone sold in
> the U.S. that even includes bluetooth? NO. Does Nokia sell a CDMA phone in
> the US that includes Bluetooth? NO.
>
> Stop comparing apples to oranges.
>
> VZW requested the OBEX profiles in the v710 be turned off to force people
> to use GIN. A pure revenue-driven business decision, which I happen to
> completely disagree with as well. However, they know, as well as most
> other people do, that well over 50%, if not 80% of their customers
> demanding bluetooth wanted it for headset and handsfree use, and that's
> it.
>
> Then, you diverged into the synching the phone with a USB cable. You can't
> wait two months? You don't think the other manufacturers ever lag behind
> in software and accessory support when it comes to new models?
>
> Get over it. It will be along. If you waited this long for the phone, you
> can wait for the software. Let someone else be the beta tester and relax.
>
> If you can't, it really isn't necessary you come here and spout off.
>
> -Jon
>
>
>
> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> So, I have to wait 2 mos. for this crap to work when it should have done
>> all of that in the first place? Geez, what the hell is America coming
>> to? So, did they (Verizon or/and Motorola) cripple the phone on purpose?
>> I've read that here in the group. So, after November I will be able to
>> sync my contacts and schedule into this phone by phone or USB cable?
>>
>> I don't think I can wait. What a bitter taste in my mouth. Guess, I
>> have to go Korean or Japanese (Kyocera). Get a clue American
>> corporations! Don't **** your base.
>>
>> - Lawrence
>>
>>
>> "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> According to Motorola in answer to a question I posted on their site,
>>> the November Phone Tools update will allow Bluetooth or USB retrieval of
>>> pictures and syncing to PC.
>>>
>>> "Regarding your question, the solution consists of a firmware upgrade
>>> that will restore the OBEX profile missing in the V710. Once done this
>>> the V710
>>> will be Bluetooth enabled and you will be able to retrieve the camera
>>> pictures via the Bluetooth link or via a USB connection."
>>>
>>> Gregg Hill
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>>I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and,
>>>>to my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't
>>>>work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought
>>>>the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in
>>>>Outlook with my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in
>>>>India said when I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company
>>>>that makes Mobile Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade
>>>>(I believe it was version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't
>>>>recognize the phone; however, the software can recognize that I have
>>>>plug the USB cable in the computer and phone and attempts to find the
>>>>phone. After that, the program's phone picture interface says,
>>>>"Intializing" but never finds the phone. I click on the option to find
>>>>an upgrade and it did (version 2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again."
>>>>Crap still doesn't recognize the phone.
>>>>
>>>> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or
>>>> is this just crap?
>>>>
>>>> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy
>>>> told me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>>>>
>>>> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
>>>> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he
>>>> was really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he
>>>> will take the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will
>>>> credit me and shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another
>>>> phone (I must also add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact
>>>> the Verizon's and Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is
>>>> a Bluetooth phone with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices
>>>> for headsets, data, etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA
>>>> anywhere at anytime.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
>>>> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American
>>>> this time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky
>>>> Goldstar - ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I
>>>> don't want to support that economy because they don't believe in buying
>>>> **** from anyone else but Korean.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>>>>
>>>> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>>>> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Strange, i've been syncing with a USB cable and infrared when I was on AT&T
and Cingular for a long ass time. As you tell some one to "wait" for that
ability which actually should have been there in the first place is a
ridiculous thing. Needless to say, and unfortunately I'm back on Verizon
Wireless using the only phone I would allow myself to use. Their Nokia 3589i
model, which I can sync and transfer files just fine. There's no waiting for
me...but some one who spent hundreds of dollars on a phone will have to.
Doesn't make sense to me, but as usual everyone will disagree with me and
think spending a whole **** load of money and having to wait for a feature
to work (that should have when you bought it) is a normal thing.
Who figures?

"Jon Clark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Does LG or Kyocera or Samsung or Sanyo make a CDMA (or GSM) phone sold in
> the U.S. that even includes bluetooth? NO. Does Nokia sell a CDMA phone in
> the US that includes Bluetooth? NO.
>
> Stop comparing apples to oranges.
>
> VZW requested the OBEX profiles in the v710 be turned off to force people
> to use GIN. A pure revenue-driven business decision, which I happen to
> completely disagree with as well. However, they know, as well as most
> other people do, that well over 50%, if not 80% of their customers
> demanding bluetooth wanted it for headset and handsfree use, and that's
> it.
>
> Then, you diverged into the synching the phone with a USB cable. You can't
> wait two months? You don't think the other manufacturers ever lag behind
> in software and accessory support when it comes to new models?
>
> Get over it. It will be along. If you waited this long for the phone, you
> can wait for the software. Let someone else be the beta tester and relax.
>
> If you can't, it really isn't necessary you come here and spout off.
>
> -Jon
>
>
>
> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> So, I have to wait 2 mos. for this crap to work when it should have done
>> all of that in the first place? Geez, what the hell is America coming
>> to? So, did they (Verizon or/and Motorola) cripple the phone on purpose?
>> I've read that here in the group. So, after November I will be able to
>> sync my contacts and schedule into this phone by phone or USB cable?
>>
>> I don't think I can wait. What a bitter taste in my mouth. Guess, I
>> have to go Korean or Japanese (Kyocera). Get a clue American
>> corporations! Don't **** your base.
>>
>> - Lawrence
>>
>>
>> "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> According to Motorola in answer to a question I posted on their site,
>>> the November Phone Tools update will allow Bluetooth or USB retrieval of
>>> pictures and syncing to PC.
>>>
>>> "Regarding your question, the solution consists of a firmware upgrade
>>> that will restore the OBEX profile missing in the V710. Once done this
>>> the V710
>>> will be Bluetooth enabled and you will be able to retrieve the camera
>>> pictures via the Bluetooth link or via a USB connection."
>>>
>>> Gregg Hill
>>>
>>>
>>> "Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> message news:[email protected]...
>>>>I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and,
>>>>to my surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't
>>>>work as it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought
>>>>the USB cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in
>>>>Outlook with my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in
>>>>India said when I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company
>>>>that makes Mobile Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade
>>>>(I believe it was version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't
>>>>recognize the phone; however, the software can recognize that I have
>>>>plug the USB cable in the computer and phone and attempts to find the
>>>>phone. After that, the program's phone picture interface says,
>>>>"Intializing" but never finds the phone. I click on the option to find
>>>>an upgrade and it did (version 2.21e). "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again."
>>>>Crap still doesn't recognize the phone.
>>>>
>>>> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or
>>>> is this just crap?
>>>>
>>>> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy
>>>> told me November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>>>>
>>>> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
>>>> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he
>>>> was really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he
>>>> will take the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will
>>>> credit me and shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another
>>>> phone (I must also add that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact
>>>> the Verizon's and Motorola's web site clearly states that the phone is
>>>> a Bluetooth phone with the ability to sync with other Bluetooth devices
>>>> for headsets, data, etc. Verizon's says that I can sync to a PC or PDA
>>>> anywhere at anytime.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
>>>> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American
>>>> this time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky
>>>> Goldstar - ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I
>>>> don't want to support that economy because they don't believe in buying
>>>> **** from anyone else but Korean.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>>>>
>>>> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
>>>> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Nokia get their act together? They've had their act together for years of
course on other carriers such as of course GSM. While they've spent all
their millions on R&D for some of the best cellular phones in the world on
GSM Verizon wireless will only get Nokia's entry level models...which is
evident as you can see.

"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David L wrote:
>
>> "Killer Madness" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>>>Too bad Verizon's phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...
>>
>>
>> A verizon employee reports this Nokia is in their system
>> (infomanager?). Will be launched after current 3595i's are sold out.
>>
>> Nokia 6015i Phone
>>
>> http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6015i...feat:1,00.html
>
> There's a damned good reason Verizon doesn't carry more Nokia phones.
> Nokia, for a long time, ignored CDMA while focusing on TDMA and GSM -- I
> recall a time when just about every phone AT&T Wireless used to carry was
> a Nokia, for example. Between the 2180/2170 and the 5185i was several
> years of absolute crap masquerading as (a small number of) Nokia CDMA
> handsets. Sprint stopped selling Nokia for a while, too.
>
> I can't blame any CDMA carrier for hesitating to commit to selling lots of
> Nokia models, although it seems Nokia may have finally Found Clue and
> gotten their act together.
>
> --
> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
> [email protected]
> PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
> Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

Nokia get their act together? They've had their act together for years of
course on other carriers such as of course GSM. While they've spent all
their millions on R&D for some of the best cellular phones in the world on
GSM Verizon wireless will only get Nokia's entry level models...which is
evident as you can see.

"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> David L wrote:
>
>> "Killer Madness" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:<[email protected]>...
>>
>>>Too bad Verizon's phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...
>>
>>
>> A verizon employee reports this Nokia is in their system
>> (infomanager?). Will be launched after current 3595i's are sold out.
>>
>> Nokia 6015i Phone
>>
>> http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6015i...feat:1,00.html
>
> There's a damned good reason Verizon doesn't carry more Nokia phones.
> Nokia, for a long time, ignored CDMA while focusing on TDMA and GSM -- I
> recall a time when just about every phone AT&T Wireless used to carry was
> a Nokia, for example. Between the 2180/2170 and the 5185i was several
> years of absolute crap masquerading as (a small number of) Nokia CDMA
> handsets. Sprint stopped selling Nokia for a while, too.
>
> I can't blame any CDMA carrier for hesitating to commit to selling lots of
> Nokia models, although it seems Nokia may have finally Found Clue and
> gotten their act together.
>
> --
> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /
> [email protected]
> PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
> Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

I rarely ever agree with anyone on here...but your response was very
accurate and smooth. I like to see educating bashing...which most people
don't like to do because they just live with the problems they have.

"David L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> David L wrote:
>>
>> > "Killer Madness" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:<[email protected]>...
>> >
>> >>Too bad Verizon's
>> >>phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...
>> >
>> >
>> > A verizon employee reports this Nokia is in their system
>> > (infomanager?). Will be launched after current 3595i's are sold out.
>> >
>> > Nokia 6015i Phone
>> >
>> > http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6015i...feat:1,00.html
>>
>> There's a damned good reason Verizon doesn't carry more Nokia phones.
>> Nokia,
>> for a long time, ignored CDMA while focusing on TDMA and GSM -- I recall
>> a time
>> when just about every phone AT&T Wireless used to carry was a Nokia, for
>> example. Between the 2180/2170 and the 5185i was several years of
>> absolute crap
>> masquerading as (a small number of) Nokia CDMA handsets. Sprint stopped
>> selling
>> Nokia for a while, too.
>>
>> I can't blame any CDMA carrier for hesitating to commit to selling lots
>> of
>> Nokia models, although it seems Nokia may have finally Found Clue and
>> gotten
>> their act together.
>
> Correct. Nokia just had to "roll their own" cdma chips IIRC and they
> teed off a lot of big cdma carriers in the process.
> With the amazing RF capabilties of the 3585/3595i's perhaps they have
> redeemed themselves, though Verizon seems to have relegated to using
> Nokia as free or bottom line handsets. I even saw some new models on
> SPCS...shock. So all must be well. If Nokia ever gets a chance (or an
> order) to supply an upscale handset(flip), with the same top notch
> digital RF, I still think they could write their own ticket.
>
> Problem IMO, is Nokia gives too much away or controls accessories, sw,
> ringtones and makes too many cheap/cross model accessories, so VZW
> doesn't get to soak each new handset model buyer with oddball limited
> channel release accessories. There's big money in all those extras and
> Verizon likes to control every angle possible, associated with each
> handset used on their network, which could produce additional revenue,
> despite the hassles it causes consumers.
>
> I think VZW likes Motorola because of the low prices, courtesy of
> mainland Chinese gulag wages. The ability to buy at a cut rate prices,
> along with the huge volumes Mot can supply, even though their crap
> often comes out half baked, makes VZW a ready customer. Motorola
> phones look good and work ok and Motorola figured out how important a
> "professional" look is... why can't those other handset makers produce
> a simple understated, adult design?
> While Mot still manages to maintain a respectable name recognition
> (how is beyond me) among users that don't seem to look any further
> than a nicely designed facade, and where many suite types seem to fear
> anything that doesn't match some uniformity of image and neck ties...
> in a great yawn of uninspired conformity, a "professional" look, along
> a misplaced faith in a long gone, USA Motorola quality and
> dominence...the currant Motorola effluvia continues to sell.
> Kinda like Bose speakers.
> And the frequent bad phones are cheap to swap out.
>
> -
> David

I rarely ever agree with anyone on here...but your response was very
accurate and smooth. I like to see educating bashing...which most people
don't like to do because they just live with the problems they have.

"David L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> David L wrote:
>>
>> > "Killer Madness" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:<[email protected]>...
>> >
>> >>Too bad Verizon's
>> >>phone list doesn't carry more Nokia phones...
>> >
>> >
>> > A verizon employee reports this Nokia is in their system
>> > (infomanager?). Will be launched after current 3595i's are sold out.
>> >
>> > Nokia 6015i Phone
>> >
>> > http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6015i...feat:1,00.html
>>
>> There's a damned good reason Verizon doesn't carry more Nokia phones.
>> Nokia,
>> for a long time, ignored CDMA while focusing on TDMA and GSM -- I recall
>> a time
>> when just about every phone AT&T Wireless used to carry was a Nokia, for
>> example. Between the 2180/2170 and the 5185i was several years of
>> absolute crap
>> masquerading as (a small number of) Nokia CDMA handsets. Sprint stopped
>> selling
>> Nokia for a while, too.
>>
>> I can't blame any CDMA carrier for hesitating to commit to selling lots
>> of
>> Nokia models, although it seems Nokia may have finally Found Clue and
>> gotten
>> their act together.
>
> Correct. Nokia just had to "roll their own" cdma chips IIRC and they
> teed off a lot of big cdma carriers in the process.
> With the amazing RF capabilties of the 3585/3595i's perhaps they have
> redeemed themselves, though Verizon seems to have relegated to using
> Nokia as free or bottom line handsets. I even saw some new models on
> SPCS...shock. So all must be well. If Nokia ever gets a chance (or an
> order) to supply an upscale handset(flip), with the same top notch
> digital RF, I still think they could write their own ticket.
>
> Problem IMO, is Nokia gives too much away or controls accessories, sw,
> ringtones and makes too many cheap/cross model accessories, so VZW
> doesn't get to soak each new handset model buyer with oddball limited
> channel release accessories. There's big money in all those extras and
> Verizon likes to control every angle possible, associated with each
> handset used on their network, which could produce additional revenue,
> despite the hassles it causes consumers.
>
> I think VZW likes Motorola because of the low prices, courtesy of
> mainland Chinese gulag wages. The ability to buy at a cut rate prices,
> along with the huge volumes Mot can supply, even though their crap
> often comes out half baked, makes VZW a ready customer. Motorola
> phones look good and work ok and Motorola figured out how important a
> "professional" look is... why can't those other handset makers produce
> a simple understated, adult design?
> While Mot still manages to maintain a respectable name recognition
> (how is beyond me) among users that don't seem to look any further
> than a nicely designed facade, and where many suite types seem to fear
> anything that doesn't match some uniformity of image and neck ties...
> in a great yawn of uninspired conformity, a "professional" look, along
> a misplaced faith in a long gone, USA Motorola quality and
> dominence...the currant Motorola effluvia continues to sell.
> Kinda like Bose speakers.
> And the frequent bad phones are cheap to swap out.
>
> -
> David

Mobile Phone Tools works just fine with my V710.

"Lawrence Frelot" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I bought the V710 from, yes, Verizon, about a couple of weeks ago and, to
my
> surprise, this POS doesn't work as advertised. Bluetooth, doesn't work as
> it should - I knew this before and didn't care because I thought the USB
> cable with Mobile Tools would work to sync my address book in Outlook with
> my V710. Nope. Doesn't work in spite of what that dude in India said
when
> I called Motorola today. He guided me to the company that makes Mobile
> Tools (BVRP or something) and I downloaded an upgrade (I believe it was
> version 2.21b). Installed the crap and it didn't recognize the phone;
> however, the software can recognize that I have plug the USB cable in the
> computer and phone and attempts to find the phone. After that, the
> program's phone picture interface says, "Intializing" but never finds the
> phone. I click on the option to find an upgrade and it did (version
2.21e).
> "Okay," I said, "Upgrade again." Crap still doesn't recognize the phone.
>
> Question: Does the Mobile phone tools with USB cable work at all? Or is
> this just crap?
>
> Question: Is it true that there will be a fix soon. That Indian guy told
me
> November. I think this is a bunch OS!
>
> I called Verizon the other day and talked with 3 people before finally
> getting a manager. He didn't know much about what was going on but he was
> really helpful. He called me back the next day and said that he will take
> the phone back, even though I didn't have the box and will credit me and
> shut off service if I didn't want to purchase another phone (I must also
add
> that I hinted that I would sue due to the fact the Verizon's and
Motorola's
> web site clearly states that the phone is a Bluetooth phone with the
ability
> to sync with other Bluetooth devices for headsets, data, etc. Verizon's

> says that I can sync to a PC or PDA anywhere at anytime.
>
> Too bad, I thought that I wanted to try Motorola out again after they
> fumbled the ball to Nokia years back. And I wanted to buy American this
> time. Now, I'm probably left with all those Korean LG (Lucky Goldstar -
> ****!) and Samsung phones...which are okay, but God knows I don't want to
> support that economy because they don't believe in buying **** from anyone
> else but Korean.
>
> Sorry about my 2-cents above; however, that's the way I feel.
>
> Motorola - you dropped the ball again. Get a clue from Japanese phone
> makers in Japan. Idiots!
>
>
>