How to Clear Lifetime Timer on V60i

Joseph wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Joseph wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
>>>> (CDMA)?
>>>
>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
>>> there's
>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
>>>
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>
>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
>> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
>> months. Whatever!
>
>
> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability you
> would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever" is.
> Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I posted.
Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an academic
falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an electronic
component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no moving
parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of false sense
of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone works no
differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life expectancy is
239 hrs? You have no idea.

--

-Philip

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"Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ModernMiko wrote:
> > "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news[email protected]...
> >> Joseph wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> >>>> (CDMA)?
> >>>
> >>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> >>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> >>> there's
> >>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
> >>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> >>>
> >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>
> >>
> >> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> >> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
> >> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
> >> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
> >> months. Whatever! --
> >>
> >> -Philip
> >
> > No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on Ebay...
>
>
> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5% of a
> device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced" device has
> survived the most failure prone period of its life expectancy.
> --
>
> -Philip
>

I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily used
phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if someone lies
by resetting the timer...

--
JennL

"Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ModernMiko wrote:
> > "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news[email protected]...
> >> Joseph wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> >>>> (CDMA)?
> >>>
> >>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> >>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> >>> there's
> >>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
> >>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> >>>
> >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>
> >>
> >> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> >> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
> >> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
> >> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
> >> months. Whatever! --
> >>
> >> -Philip
> >
> > No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on Ebay...
>
>
> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5% of a
> device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced" device has
> survived the most failure prone period of its life expectancy.
> --
>
> -Philip
>

I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily used
phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if someone lies
by resetting the timer...

--
JennL

We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT matter "in
any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the first place? The
only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the intended recipient.

Gregg Hill


"Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Joseph wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Joseph wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
>>>>> (CDMA)?
>>>>
>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
>>>> there's
>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
>>>>
>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>
>>>
>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
>>> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
>>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
>>> months. Whatever!
>>
>>
>> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability you
>> would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
>> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
>> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever" is.
>> Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>
> That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I posted.
> Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an academic
> falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an electronic
> component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no moving
> parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of false
> sense
> of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone works no
> differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life expectancy
> is
> 239 hrs? You have no idea.
>
> --
>
> -Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>

Gregg Hill wrote:
>
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
>> Joseph wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joseph wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
>>>>>> (CDMA)?
>>>>>
>>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
>>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
>>>>> there's
>>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
>>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
>>>>>
>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
>>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
>>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
>>>> how
>>>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
>>>> months. Whatever!
>>>
>>>
>>> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability
>>> you would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a
>>> car, eh?
>>> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
>>> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever"
>>> is. Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>
>> That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I
>> posted. Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it
>> is an academic falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now
>> ... with an electronic component, does that matter in any tangible
>> sense? There are no moving parts and keyboards are very cheap. So
>> it must be some kind of false sense
>> of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone
>> works no differently now than when it was new. What percentage of
>> life expectancy is
>> 239 hrs? You have no idea.
>>
>> --
>> -Philip

> We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT
> matter "in any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the
> first place? The only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the
> intended recipient.
>
> Gregg Hill


I agree on both points you make.
--

-Philip

Gregg Hill wrote:
>
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
>> Joseph wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joseph wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
>>>>>> (CDMA)?
>>>>>
>>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
>>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
>>>>> there's
>>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
>>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
>>>>>
>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
>>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
>>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
>>>> how
>>>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
>>>> months. Whatever!
>>>
>>>
>>> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability
>>> you would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a
>>> car, eh?
>>> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
>>> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever"
>>> is. Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>
>> That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I
>> posted. Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it
>> is an academic falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now
>> ... with an electronic component, does that matter in any tangible
>> sense? There are no moving parts and keyboards are very cheap. So
>> it must be some kind of false sense
>> of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone
>> works no differently now than when it was new. What percentage of
>> life expectancy is
>> 239 hrs? You have no idea.
>>
>> --
>> -Philip

> We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT
> matter "in any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the
> first place? The only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the
> intended recipient.
>
> Gregg Hill


I agree on both points you make.
--

-Philip

ModernMiko wrote:
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> ModernMiko wrote:
>>> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news[email protected]...
>>>> Joseph wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
>>>>>> (CDMA)?
>>>>>
>>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
>>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
>>>>> there's
>>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
>>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
>>>>>
>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
>>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
>>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
>>>> how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours
>>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
>>>>
>>>> -Philip
>>>
>>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
>>> Ebay...
>>
>>
>> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
>> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
>> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
>> expectancy. --
>>
>> -Philip
>>
>
> I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily
> used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if
> someone lies by resetting the timer...


So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it has
survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life. I think the
average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of many solid state
devices were known to them. What constitutes a "heavily used phone?" In my
case, what percentage of my phone's life is 239 hrs? You have no idea. I
also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter on any
device is a deceptive practice.
--

-Philip

ModernMiko wrote:
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> ModernMiko wrote:
>>> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news[email protected]...
>>>> Joseph wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
>>>>>> (CDMA)?
>>>>>
>>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
>>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
>>>>> there's
>>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
>>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
>>>>>
>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
>>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
>>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
>>>> how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours
>>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
>>>>
>>>> -Philip
>>>
>>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
>>> Ebay...
>>
>>
>> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
>> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
>> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
>> expectancy. --
>>
>> -Philip
>>
>
> I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily
> used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if
> someone lies by resetting the timer...


So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it has
survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life. I think the
average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of many solid state
devices were known to them. What constitutes a "heavily used phone?" In my
case, what percentage of my phone's life is 239 hrs? You have no idea. I
also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter on any
device is a deceptive practice.
--

-Philip

"Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ModernMiko wrote:
> > "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> ModernMiko wrote:
> >>> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news[email protected]...
> >>>> Joseph wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> >>>>>> (CDMA)?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> >>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> >>>>> there's
> >>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
> >>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> >>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
> >>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
> >>>> how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours
> >>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
> >>>>
> >>>> -Philip
> >>>
> >>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
> >>> Ebay...
> >>
> >>
> >> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
> >> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
> >> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
> >> expectancy. --
> >>
> >> -Philip
> >>
> >
> > I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily
> > used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if
> > someone lies by resetting the timer...
>
>
> So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it has
> survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life. I think
the
> average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of many solid state
> devices were known to them. What constitutes a "heavily used phone?" In
my
> case, what percentage of my phone's life is 239 hrs? You have no idea.
I
> also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter on any
> device is a deceptive practice.
> --
>
> -Philip

I never commented on the life expectancy or any of that. I just commented on
the deceptive resetting of which you now say you agree with.

--
JennL

"Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ModernMiko wrote:
> > "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> ModernMiko wrote:
> >>> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news[email protected]...
> >>>> Joseph wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> >>>>>> (CDMA)?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> >>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> >>>>> there's
> >>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
> >>>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> >>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
> >>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155)
> >>>> how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours
> >>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
> >>>>
> >>>> -Philip
> >>>
> >>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
> >>> Ebay...
> >>
> >>
> >> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
> >> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
> >> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
> >> expectancy. --
> >>
> >> -Philip
> >>
> >
> > I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a heavily
> > used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away from me if
> > someone lies by resetting the timer...
>
>
> So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it has
> survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life. I think
the
> average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of many solid state
> devices were known to them. What constitutes a "heavily used phone?" In
my
> case, what percentage of my phone's life is 239 hrs? You have no idea.
I
> also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter on any
> device is a deceptive practice.
> --
>
> -Philip

I never commented on the life expectancy or any of that. I just commented on
the deceptive resetting of which you now say you agree with.

--
JennL

Actually, I bought the phone used, with 125 hours already on the lifetime
timer. I'd be fooling no one but myself, which is really what I want to
do..... I'd like the phone's lifetime time to reflect it's "lifetime" under
MY ownership and use.

- ESJ

"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i (CDMA)?
>
> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a used
> car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that there's
> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what you
> are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>

I am the original poster of the question, and my motive is to "fool" myself.
I bought the phone used on eBay, and would like to reset the lifetime time
to reflect the phone's "lifetime" under my ownership. As another poster
pointed out, this timer likely has no relationship to the phone's useful
life. I bought a new housing and phone looks nearly new, I'd just like to
complete the refurbishment for my own satisfaction and to maintain the
illusion to myself that I have a new phone.

- ESJ

"Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT matter
"in
> any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the first place? The
> only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the intended recipient.
>
> Gregg Hill
>
>
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
> > Joseph wrote:
> >> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Joseph wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> >>>>> (CDMA)?
> >>>>
> >>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> >>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> >>>> there's
> >>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
> >>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> >>>>
> >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> >>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
> >>> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
> >>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
> >>> months. Whatever!
> >>
> >>
> >> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability you
> >> would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
> >> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
> >> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever" is.
> >> Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> >
> > That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I posted.
> > Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an
academic
> > falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an
electronic
> > component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no moving
> > parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of false
> > sense
> > of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone works
no
> > differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life
expectancy
> > is
> > 239 hrs? You have no idea.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Philip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Actually, I bought the phone used, with 125 hours already on the lifetime
timer. I'd be fooling no one but myself, which is really what I want to
do..... I'd like the phone's lifetime time to reflect it's "lifetime" under
MY ownership and use.

- ESJ

"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i (CDMA)?
>
> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a used
> car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that there's
> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what you
> are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>

I am the original poster of the question, and my motive is to "fool" myself.
I bought the phone used on eBay, and would like to reset the lifetime time
to reflect the phone's "lifetime" under my ownership. As another poster
pointed out, this timer likely has no relationship to the phone's useful
life. I bought a new housing and phone looks nearly new, I'd just like to
complete the refurbishment for my own satisfaction and to maintain the
illusion to myself that I have a new phone.

- ESJ

"Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT matter
"in
> any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the first place? The
> only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the intended recipient.
>
> Gregg Hill
>
>
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:%[email protected]...
> > Joseph wrote:
> >> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Joseph wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> >>>>> (CDMA)?
> >>>>
> >>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> >>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> >>>> there's
> >>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
> >>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> >>>>
> >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> >>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
> >>> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
> >>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
> >>> months. Whatever!
> >>
> >>
> >> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability you
> >> would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
> >> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
> >> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever" is.
> >> Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> >
> > That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I posted.
> > Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an
academic
> > falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an
electronic
> > component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no moving
> > parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of false
> > sense
> > of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone works
no
> > differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life
expectancy
> > is
> > 239 hrs? You have no idea.
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Philip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

"E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Actually, I bought the phone used, with 125 hours already on the lifetime
> timer. I'd be fooling no one but myself, which is really what I want to
> do..... I'd like the phone's lifetime time to reflect it's "lifetime"
under
> MY ownership and use.
>
> - ESJ
>

Um, how about recording the hours when you received it and then you can
subtract them whenever you want to check? It's a tiny bit longer than being
to look at the phone's timer but a still valid method. I can see why you say
you want to reset it but to most people it looks like you are trying to fool
someone else.

--
JennL