How to Clear Lifetime Timer on V60i

"E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Actually, I bought the phone used, with 125 hours already on the lifetime
> timer. I'd be fooling no one but myself, which is really what I want to
> do..... I'd like the phone's lifetime time to reflect it's "lifetime"
under
> MY ownership and use.
>
> - ESJ
>

Um, how about recording the hours when you received it and then you can
subtract them whenever you want to check? It's a tiny bit longer than being
to look at the phone's timer but a still valid method. I can see why you say
you want to reset it but to most people it looks like you are trying to fool
someone else.

--
JennL

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"E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I am the original poster of the question.....

....bet you wish you hadn't ;-)

"E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I am the original poster of the question.....

....bet you wish you hadn't ;-)

On 10/1/04 11:26 AM, in article [email protected],
"E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i (CDMA)?
Probably. Look around for Motorola's Test Mode commands. You used to be
able to do it once you got into Field test mode. (What you want is a
Factory Reset.) I've done it before on some of my Motos just playing around
(and sold them on ebay and nobody asked about the life timer), so it may
still be possible....

On 10/1/04 11:26 AM, in article [email protected],
"E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i (CDMA)?
Probably. Look around for Motorola's Test Mode commands. You used to be
able to do it once you got into Field test mode. (What you want is a
Factory Reset.) I've done it before on some of my Motos just playing around
(and sold them on ebay and nobody asked about the life timer), so it may
still be possible....

ModernMiko wrote:
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> ModernMiko wrote:
>>> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> ModernMiko wrote:
>>>>> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news[email protected]...
>>>>>> Joseph wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones"
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
>>>>>>>> (CDMA)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
>>>>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be
>>>>>>> what you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a
>>>>>>> phone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
>>>>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
>>>>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox
>>>>>> 9155) how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports
>>>>>> 239 hours
>>>>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Philip
>>>>>
>>>>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
>>>>> Ebay...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
>>>> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
>>>> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
>>>> expectancy. --
>>>>
>>>> -Philip
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a
>>> heavily used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away
>>> from me if someone lies by resetting the timer...
>>
>>
>> So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it
>> has survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life.
>> I think the average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of
>> many solid state devices were known to them. What constitutes a
>> "heavily used phone?" In my case, what percentage of my phone's
>> life is 239 hrs? You have no idea.
> I
>> also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter
>> on any device is a deceptive practice.
>> --
>>
>> -Philip
>
> I never commented on the life expectancy or any of that. I just
> commented on the deceptive resetting of which you now say you agree
> with.

I have ONLY said that resetting a "lifetime timer" (or odometer if you
prefer) would be done for deceptive reasons. I have also said (in essence)
that with an electronic device, accrued hours beyond the initial high
mortality rate is actually a PLUS. :-)

--

-Philip

Ah ... the practiced art of deceiving one's self. LOL
--

-Philip

E Jones wrote:
> I am the original poster of the question, and my motive is to "fool"
> myself. I bought the phone used on eBay, and would like to reset the
> lifetime time to reflect the phone's "lifetime" under my ownership.
> As another poster pointed out, this timer likely has no relationship
> to the phone's useful life. I bought a new housing and phone looks
> nearly new, I'd just like to complete the refurbishment for my own
> satisfaction and to maintain the illusion to myself that I have a new
> phone.
>
> - ESJ

ModernMiko wrote:
> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> ModernMiko wrote:
>>> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> ModernMiko wrote:
>>>>> "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news[email protected]...
>>>>>> Joseph wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones"
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
>>>>>>>> (CDMA)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
>>>>>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
>>>>>>> there's
>>>>>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be
>>>>>>> what you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a
>>>>>>> phone!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
>>>>>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
>>>>>> LOL Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox
>>>>>> 9155) how many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports
>>>>>> 239 hours
>>>>>> in 22 months. Whatever! --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Philip
>>>>>
>>>>> No but it would make a phone look more appealing to a buyer on
>>>>> Ebay...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Think about the mortality curve. Lots of failures in the first 5%
>>>> of a device's life and then a sharp decrease. An "experienced"
>>>> device has survived the most failure prone period of its life
>>>> expectancy. --
>>>>
>>>> -Philip
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd still like to make the decision whether I wanted to buy a
>>> heavily used phone or an almost new phone and that's taken away
>>> from me if someone lies by resetting the timer...
>>
>>
>> So what? I've made the argument that a phone with some hours on it
>> has survived the most failure prone portion of any device's life.
>> I think the average person would be stunned if the true lifespan of
>> many solid state devices were known to them. What constitutes a
>> "heavily used phone?" In my case, what percentage of my phone's
>> life is 239 hrs? You have no idea.
> I
>> also think there is no disagreement here that resetting hour meter
>> on any device is a deceptive practice.
>> --
>>
>> -Philip
>
> I never commented on the life expectancy or any of that. I just
> commented on the deceptive resetting of which you now say you agree
> with.

I have ONLY said that resetting a "lifetime timer" (or odometer if you
prefer) would be done for deceptive reasons. I have also said (in essence)
that with an electronic device, accrued hours beyond the initial high
mortality rate is actually a PLUS. :-)

--

-Philip

Ah ... the practiced art of deceiving one's self. LOL
--

-Philip

E Jones wrote:
> I am the original poster of the question, and my motive is to "fool"
> myself. I bought the phone used on eBay, and would like to reset the
> lifetime time to reflect the phone's "lifetime" under my ownership.
> As another poster pointed out, this timer likely has no relationship
> to the phone's useful life. I bought a new housing and phone looks
> nearly new, I'd just like to complete the refurbishment for my own
> satisfaction and to maintain the illusion to myself that I have a new
> phone.
>
> - ESJ

you can probably reflex your cell if you have a data cable and the proper
software, after a flex everything is erased and all timers are set to 0.
Try doing a search or sign up and ask in the motorola thread of
www.howardforums.com I do recall seeing things about the v60i, but never
paid it much attention because I don't own one.
SneakerFreaks Idea is worth a shot too.
"E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am the original poster of the question, and my motive is to "fool"
myself.
> I bought the phone used on eBay, and would like to reset the lifetime time
> to reflect the phone's "lifetime" under my ownership. As another poster
> pointed out, this timer likely has no relationship to the phone's useful
> life. I bought a new housing and phone looks nearly new, I'd just like to
> complete the refurbishment for my own satisfaction and to maintain the
> illusion to myself that I have a new phone.
>
> - ESJ
>
> "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT matter
> "in
> > any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the first place? The
> > only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the intended recipient.
> >
> > Gregg Hill
> >
> >
> > "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:%[email protected]...
> > > Joseph wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Joseph wrote:
> > >>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> > >>>>> (CDMA)?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> > >>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> > >>>> there's
> > >>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
> > >>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> > >>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
> > >>> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
> > >>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
> > >>> months. Whatever!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability
you
> > >> would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
> > >> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
> > >> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever"
is.
> > >> Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
> > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >
> > >
> > > That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I posted.
> > > Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an
> academic
> > > falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an
> electronic
> > > component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no
moving
> > > parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of false
> > > sense
> > > of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone works
> no
> > > differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life
> expectancy
> > > is
> > > 239 hrs? You have no idea.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Philip
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

you can probably reflex your cell if you have a data cable and the proper
software, after a flex everything is erased and all timers are set to 0.
Try doing a search or sign up and ask in the motorola thread of
www.howardforums.com I do recall seeing things about the v60i, but never
paid it much attention because I don't own one.
SneakerFreaks Idea is worth a shot too.
"E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am the original poster of the question, and my motive is to "fool"
myself.
> I bought the phone used on eBay, and would like to reset the lifetime time
> to reflect the phone's "lifetime" under my ownership. As another poster
> pointed out, this timer likely has no relationship to the phone's useful
> life. I bought a new housing and phone looks nearly new, I'd just like to
> complete the refurbishment for my own satisfaction and to maintain the
> illusion to myself that I have a new phone.
>
> - ESJ
>
> "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT matter
> "in
> > any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the first place? The
> > only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the intended recipient.
> >
> > Gregg Hill
> >
> >
> > "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:%[email protected]...
> > > Joseph wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Joseph wrote:
> > >>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones" <[email protected]>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> > >>>>> (CDMA)?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> > >>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> > >>>> there's
> > >>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be what
> > >>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> > >>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone? LOL
> > >>> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
> > >>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in 22
> > >>> months. Whatever!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability
you
> > >> would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car, eh?
> > >> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
> > >> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever"
is.
> > >> Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
> > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >
> > >
> > > That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I posted.
> > > Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an
> academic
> > > falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an
> electronic
> > > component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no
moving
> > > parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of false
> > > sense
> > > of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone works
> no
> > > differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life
> expectancy
> > > is
> > > 239 hrs? You have no idea.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Philip
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

you can probably reflex your cell if you have a data cable and the proper
software, after a flex everything is erased and all timers are set to 0.
Try doing a search or sign up and ask in the motorola thread of
www.howardforums.com I do recall seeing things about the v60i, but never
paid it much attention because I don't own one. Found this too
http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...hreadid=185379
SneakerFreaks Idea is worth a shot too.

> "E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am the original poster of the question, and my motive is to "fool"
> myself.
> > I bought the phone used on eBay, and would like to reset the lifetime
time
> > to reflect the phone's "lifetime" under my ownership. As another poster
> > pointed out, this timer likely has no relationship to the phone's useful
> > life. I bought a new housing and phone looks nearly new, I'd just like
to
> > complete the refurbishment for my own satisfaction and to maintain the
> > illusion to myself that I have a new phone.
> >
> > - ESJ
> >
> > "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT
matter
> > "in
> > > any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the first place?
The
> > > only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the intended
recipient.
> > >
> > > Gregg Hill
> > >
> > >
> > > "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:%[email protected]...
> > > > Joseph wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Joseph wrote:
> > > >>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones"
<[email protected]>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> > > >>>>> (CDMA)?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> > > >>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> > > >>>> there's
> > > >>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be
what
> > > >>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> > > >>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
LOL
> > > >>> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
> > > >>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in
22
> > > >>> months. Whatever!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability
> you
> > > >> would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car,
eh?
> > > >> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
> > > >> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever"
> is.
> > > >> Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
> > > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I
posted.
> > > > Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an
> > academic
> > > > falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an
> > electronic
> > > > component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no
> moving
> > > > parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of
false
> > > > sense
> > > > of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone
works
> > no
> > > > differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life
> > expectancy
> > > > is
> > > > 239 hrs? You have no idea.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -Philip
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

you can probably reflex your cell if you have a data cable and the proper
software, after a flex everything is erased and all timers are set to 0.
Try doing a search or sign up and ask in the motorola thread of
www.howardforums.com I do recall seeing things about the v60i, but never
paid it much attention because I don't own one. Found this too
http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...hreadid=185379
SneakerFreaks Idea is worth a shot too.

> "E Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am the original poster of the question, and my motive is to "fool"
> myself.
> > I bought the phone used on eBay, and would like to reset the lifetime
time
> > to reflect the phone's "lifetime" under my ownership. As another poster
> > pointed out, this timer likely has no relationship to the phone's useful
> > life. I bought a new housing and phone looks nearly new, I'd just like
to
> > complete the refurbishment for my own satisfaction and to maintain the
> > illusion to myself that I have a new phone.
> >
> > - ESJ
> >
> > "Gregg Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > We cannot assume one's motive for the request, but if it does NOT
matter
> > "in
> > > any tangible sense", why would one want to do it in the first place?
The
> > > only reason I can think of would be to mis-lead the intended
recipient.
> > >
> > > Gregg Hill
> > >
> > >
> > > "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:%[email protected]...
> > > > Joseph wrote:
> > > >> On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 05:26:44 GMT, "Philip"
> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Joseph wrote:
> > > >>>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:26:55 GMT, "E Jones"
<[email protected]>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Is there any way to clear the lifetime timer on a Motorola V60i
> > > >>>>> (CDMA)?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> What you're wanting to do could be compared to someone selling a
> > > >>>> used car and rolling back the odometer to give the allusion that
> > > >>>> there's
> > > >>>> not as much wear and tear on the vehicle. That appears to be
what
> > > >>>> you are doing when you wish to clear the lifetimer on a phone!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> AS if ... it mattered. Is there a suggestion that lifetime hours
> > > >>> would diminish your "new every two" credit toward a new phone?
LOL
> > > >>> Lemme see (looks for the lifetime number in his Audiovox 9155) how
> > > >>> many hours I've logged. Hmmm ... the phone reports 239 hours in
22
> > > >>> months. Whatever!
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> In other words you have no qualms ethically if you had the ability
> you
> > > >> would roll back the lifetimer or roll back an odometer on a car,
eh?
> > > >> The "whatever" may be important to someone who doesn't particularly
> > > >> want a unit that's been used to death. That's what the "whatever"
> is.
> > > >> Or perhaps you don't think honesty is important?
> > > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That may be your inference but such is not reflected in what I
posted.
> > > > Since you wish to make this into a discussion of ethics, it is an
> > academic
> > > > falsehood to reset the lifetime timer to zero. Now ... with an
> > electronic
> > > > component, does that matter in any tangible sense? There are no
> moving
> > > > parts and keyboards are very cheap. So it must be some kind of
false
> > > > sense
> > > > of security that a 'zero' lifetime number brings. My 9155 phone
works
> > no
> > > > differently now than when it was new. What percentage of life
> > expectancy
> > > > is
> > > > 239 hrs? You have no idea.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -Philip
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>