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- 07-17-2003, 09:04 PM #1Josh IIIGuest
How do I update the PRL in an old Motorola Bag Phone (analog only)?
My carrier is Verizon.
Josh III
upstate south carolina
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- 07-18-2003, 12:38 AM #2David LGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
Mark Mentovai <www.mentovai.com/contact.html@_._> wrote in article
<www.mentovai.com/[email protected]>:
> Someone wrote:
> > How do I update the PRL in an old Motorola Bag Phone (analog only)?
> > My carrier is Verizon.
>
> Analog phones don't have a PRL. You're in control, you pick the band.
> Don't worry, there are only two choices.
>
>
Don't forget some bag phones have a C scan as well. I never had a reason
to program mine, but apparently certain SIDs can be chosen to NOT roam
on. Also known as a negative System I.D.
-----
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- 07-18-2003, 11:20 AM #3LarryGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
SON, HOLD YOUR TONGUE!.....(c;
YOU control who the bagphone talks to.......not "them"!
When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying roaming rates.
When it's blinking "roam" you're on the extended system.
(And they said I was the only AMPS customer left).....HA!
Enjoy your high fidelity, excellent ranged AMPS bagphone at LEAST
until Feb 16, 2008! FCC extended us again....and probably will many
more times.....(c;
In Charleston, leave it on STD A/B and it'll try VZW before roaming
over to Alltel on extended. Works great!
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:04:05 -0400, "Josh III" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>How do I update the PRL in an old Motorola Bag Phone (analog only)?
>My carrier is Verizon.
>
>Josh III
>upstate south carolina
>
>
Larry
And now a word from our flamers and masochists.....
- 07-18-2003, 11:30 AM #4p laneGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
I don't know if its still true, but when analog was in wide use, sin
some areas verizon was an "a" system, and in others it might be a "B"
system, so depends on system--I used to call 611 to see if verizon or
whomever's customer service answered--I'm not sure if this still works
or not????
[email protected] (Larry) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> SON, HOLD YOUR TONGUE!.....(c;
>
> YOU control who the bagphone talks to.......not "them"!
>
> When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying roaming rates.
> When it's blinking "roam" you're on the extended system.
>
> (And they said I was the only AMPS customer left).....HA!
>
> Enjoy your high fidelity, excellent ranged AMPS bagphone at LEAST
> until Feb 16, 2008! FCC extended us again....and probably will many
> more times.....(c;
>
> In Charleston, leave it on STD A/B and it'll try VZW before roaming
> over to Alltel on extended. Works great!
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:04:05 -0400, "Josh III" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >How do I update the PRL in an old Motorola Bag Phone (analog only)?
> >My carrier is Verizon.
> >
> >Josh III
> >upstate south carolina
> >
> >
>
>
> Larry
>
> And now a word from our flamers and masochists.....
>
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- 07-18-2003, 12:08 PM #5Josh IIIGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
The only way to find the SID of the carrier when using an analog only phone
is to dial 611 and talk to a CSR?
I thought analog phones still communicated with the carrier via built-in
digital modem, i.e., communicating ESN, number dialed, etc.?
The bag phone in question is my Dad's exclusive car phone. I used it on
extended trips myself a few times, but never really played with it to learn
all its capabilities/bells-n-whistles.
My first cellphone I owned personally was a digital nokia and my carrier is
Verizon. I've had it a year and I'm just now finding out how get it to list
its SID.
Josh III
upstate south carolina
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> .......
> YOU control who the bagphone talks to.......not "them"!
>
> When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying roaming rates.
> When it's blinking "roam" you're on the extended system.
>
>
- 07-18-2003, 01:55 PM #6Justa LurkerGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
It was Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:20:40 GMT, and [email protected]
(Larry) wrote in alt.cellular:
| SON, HOLD YOUR TONGUE!.....(c;
To thy own tounge be held! Please answer correctly,
or don't answer at all. Too many errors, Larry.
| YOU control who the bagphone talks to.......not "them"!
Partially true. Any system can refuse any call except 911.
| When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying
| roaming rates. When it's blinking "roam" you're on the
| extended system.
On a bag phone? That's pure BS Larry and you know it. The
roam light only blinks when there is a short in the handset
on the led leads, On a modern phone (non-bag phone) the
roaming should follow the pattern shown, but there is no
guarantee that ROAM = paying higher rates. "Expect to pay
roaming rates." is more accurate, but billing doesn't know
or care what your roam indicator displayed at that moment.
| Enjoy your high fidelity, excellent ranged AMPS bagphone
| at LEAST until Feb 16, 2008! FCC extended us again....
| and probably will many more times.....(c;
No extension Larry. Prior to the date being set there was
no sunset to the AMPS rule. The FCC's choosing a date is
NOT an extension, it is reducing the date from infinity to
something within the near future.
BTW: There is no PRL in a bag phone. Later models had a
shorth SID list which could be marked positive or negative.
Some AMPS only phones had a longer list which could affect
the roam indication (Home, Roam, Negative per SID) but it
was not a PRL nor was it called a PRL.
JL
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- 07-18-2003, 06:03 PM #7LarryGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:30:40 -0000, [email protected] (p lane) wrote:
>I don't know if its still true, but when analog was in wide use, sin
>some areas verizon was an "a" system, and in others it might be a "B"
>system, so depends on system--I used to call 611 to see if verizon or
>whomever's customer service answered--I'm not sure if this still works
>or not????
Yes, it depends on who Verizon bought up and what system them had
whether Verizon is on A or B. Here it's A....
Larry
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- 07-18-2003, 06:06 PM #8LarryGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:55:52 GMT, /dev/[email protected] (Justa Lurker) wrote:
>
>| When the "roam" sign comes on solid, you're paying
>| roaming rates. When it's blinking "roam" you're on the
>| extended system.
>
>On a bag phone? That's pure BS Larry and you know it. The
>roam light only blinks when there is a short in the handset
>on the led leads, On a modern phone (non-bag phone) the
>roaming should follow the pattern shown, but there is no
>guarantee that ROAM = paying higher rates. "Expect to pay
>roaming rates." is more accurate, but billing doesn't know
>or care what your roam indicator displayed at that moment.
Nope, sorry. The ROAM sign blinks on some systems and is solid on on
others....just like I said. Do YOU have one to play with or just
trolling?
The AMPS phones DO tell you what's extended and what's pure roaming.
Mine even did it in Florida going after the yacht.....(c;
Larry
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- 07-20-2003, 08:25 PM #9Justa LurkerGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and [email protected]
(Larry) wrote in alt.cellular:
|> On a bag phone?
No, Liar Larry. Tri-Mode in AMPS mode, but not a bag phone.
JL
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- 07-21-2003, 09:04 AM #10Jim MacKenzieGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
"Justa Lurker" </dev/[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On a bag phone? That's pure BS Larry and you know it. The
> roam light only blinks when there is a short in the handset
> on the led leads, On a modern phone (non-bag phone) the
> roaming should follow the pattern shown, but there is no
> guarantee that ROAM = paying higher rates. "Expect to pay
> roaming rates." is more accurate, but billing doesn't know
> or care what your roam indicator displayed at that moment.
It depends where you are, alright. I was in northeastern Montana and
northwestern North Dakota on Saturday. All I could get was a solid ROAM on
the B side (I'm on the B carrier here). (My GSM phone was a paperweight of
course, although we have lots of GSM coverage up here in Canada.) And that
would likely have cost me a couple of dollars a minute, but it did work (I
called a test busy signal number to be sure). But if I were in Alberta or
Manitoba, the phone would look the same, but I'd only be using my bucket of
minutes and pay no extra fees. The other analog provider up here shows ROAM
about fifteen minutes in any direction out of the city, but you don't pay
extra as long as you're on its towers. It just has a ton of different SIDs,
and as soon as you're on a new SID, your phone shows ROAM.
Jim
- 07-21-2003, 09:05 AM #11Jim MacKenzieGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
"Justa Lurker" </dev/[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and [email protected]
> (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular:
> |> On a bag phone?
>
> No, Liar Larry. Tri-Mode in AMPS mode, but not a bag phone.
My Motorola bag phone shows a solid Roam indicator if I'm on a B side system
(my home system is also B), and a blinking Roam indicator if I'm on an A
side system. If I subscribed to the A system instead, the indicator would
show the reverse.
Jim
- 07-21-2003, 10:31 AM #12p laneGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
I am not an expert on this, but I still have a bag phone I used in a
rather rural area- and before there was as much roaming and
consolidation of smaller cellular providers, the bag phone a/b thing
worked pretty well--but you may or may not remember there was littlle
book issue with your contract--it was a listing by state of who and
where and MAINLY "what system either A or B you could roam with.
VErizon or at the time Cellular one, GTE, ete, etc, etc, depending on
where your home carrier was located, was usually an "A" system--but
there were MANY, MANY, MANY EXCEPTIONS" For instance, on a road trip
from Tn to Washington and on to New york--your "PREFERRED ROAM SYSTEM"
MIGHT CHANGE 5 OR 6 TIMES--YOU WOULD GET THE "PREFERRED" roam rates only
if you switched to the "A" or B system indicated in the little book--it
it's latter issues, the preferred systems were printed in red--and as
time went by, as verizon or whatever it was at that time, the red
listing grew, and grew.
It worked, but it was a little confusing, as a lot of folks didn't have
a clue as to what in h-- A?B was much less how to change it--but if you
made a call, while off home system, roaming could cost as much a $1 or
more per minute if the wrong A/B system were selected, or not selected
--arrantly now with the new digital systems, the prl thing does this
automatically.
I would appreciate further explanation if anyone can.
Again, I'm no expert, but I do remember the roaming books-and always had
it with me to travel
"Jim MacKenzie" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "Justa Lurker" </dev/[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and [email protected]
> > (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular:
> > |> On a bag phone?
> >
> > No, Liar Larry. Tri-Mode in AMPS mode, but not a bag phone.
>
> My Motorola bag phone shows a solid Roam indicator if I'm on a B side system
> (my home system is also B), and a blinking Roam indicator if I'm on an A
> side system. If I subscribed to the A system instead, the indicator would
> show the reverse.
>
> Jim
>
>
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- 07-21-2003, 01:35 PM #13Joshua CsepegiGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
Well thats not a total lie I do know that the older motorola programming
did have multiple sid enteries, their for making sort of a prl since it
has more than one sid.
so you could be right but why the long post ,when we aquire other
carriers and absorb their network, wouldn't the obvious answer be that
we change the sid registered at that tower?
--
Josh Csepegi
Sr. Sales Represenative
Fredom Wireless
Verizon Wireless Agents
The opinions expressed here are the opinions of Joshua Csepegi These
opinions in no way are the thoughts or opinions of Freedom wireless , or
Verizon wireless.
[email protected] (p lane) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> I am not an expert on this, but I still have a bag phone I used in a
> rather rural area- and before there was as much roaming and
> consolidation of smaller cellular providers, the bag phone a/b thing
> worked pretty well--but you may or may not remember there was littlle
> book issue with your contract--it was a listing by state of who and
> where and MAINLY "what system either A or B you could roam with.
> VErizon or at the time Cellular one, GTE, ete, etc, etc, depending on
> where your home carrier was located, was usually an "A" system--but
> there were MANY, MANY, MANY EXCEPTIONS" For instance, on a road trip
> from Tn to Washington and on to New york--your "PREFERRED ROAM SYSTEM"
> MIGHT CHANGE 5 OR 6 TIMES--YOU WOULD GET THE "PREFERRED" roam rates only
> if you switched to the "A" or B system indicated in the little book--it
> it's latter issues, the preferred systems were printed in red--and as
> time went by, as verizon or whatever it was at that time, the red
> listing grew, and grew.
>
> It worked, but it was a little confusing, as a lot of folks didn't have
> a clue as to what in h-- A?B was much less how to change it--but if you
> made a call, while off home system, roaming could cost as much a $1 or
> more per minute if the wrong A/B system were selected, or not selected
> --arrantly now with the new digital systems, the prl thing does this
> automatically.
>
> I would appreciate further explanation if anyone can.
>
> Again, I'm no expert, but I do remember the roaming books-and always had
> it with me to travel
>
> "Jim MacKenzie" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> >
> > "Justa Lurker" </dev/[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and [email protected]
> > > (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular:
> > > |> On a bag phone?
> > >
> > > No, Liar Larry. Tri-Mode in AMPS mode, but not a bag phone.
> >
> > My Motorola bag phone shows a solid Roam indicator if I'm on a B side system
> > (my home system is also B), and a blinking Roam indicator if I'm on an A
> > side system. If I subscribed to the A system instead, the indicator would
> > show the reverse.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
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- 07-21-2003, 02:03 PM #14p laneGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
I don't think you understood what I was saying--until the auto prl in
the phones, it was up to the user of the phone to know what system the
phone might be roaming or not roaming on--the roam light on the phone
would never be on home unless, it were located in the home area( the
home sid) verizon could change the sys id of the carriers they buy, but
I doubt they could change the system from an "a" System to a B"
system--it was a nightmare,much better now--with the new phones--
however what I said is mostly right, as I mentioned
On the very last model moto's (bags and others) I believe you could load
in sys codes which would exclude a particular systems use--to keep you
from roaming off the wrong system
I still have an old moto bag phone which I keep to use out in the
hills--it would have to be a big emergency to try to use it out of home
area--(it's on a local plan)
The old phones had three indications, home, and roam, the roam would
either flash or be solid==indicating roaming on the home t ype carrier
or the other system--I forget which-and was I am trying to indicate,
most folks didn't have clue as to what A/B was or how to change it-
However at that time a call on the wrong system could cost over a
$1/minute
-for the most part this has now been fixed--pardon the long post
[email protected] (Joshua Csepegi) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Well thats not a total lie I do know that the older motorola programming
> did have multiple sid enteries, their for making sort of a prl since it
> has more than one sid.
> so you could be right but why the long post ,when we aquire other
> carriers and absorb their network, wouldn't the obvious answer be that
> we change the sid registered at that tower?
> --
> Josh Csepegi
> Sr. Sales Represenative
> Fredom Wireless
> Verizon Wireless Agents
>
> The opinions expressed here are the opinions of Joshua Csepegi These
> opinions in no way are the thoughts or opinions of Freedom wireless , or
> Verizon wireless.
>
>
> [email protected] (p lane) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > I am not an expert on this, but I still have a bag phone I used in a
> > rather rural area- and before there was as much roaming and
> > consolidation of smaller cellular providers, the bag phone a/b thing
> > worked pretty well--but you may or may not remember there was littlle
> > book issue with your contract--it was a listing by state of who and
> > where and MAINLY "what system either A or B you could roam with.
> > VErizon or at the time Cellular one, GTE, ete, etc, etc, depending on
> > where your home carrier was located, was usually an "A" system--but
> > there were MANY, MANY, MANY EXCEPTIONS" For instance, on a road trip
> > from Tn to Washington and on to New york--your "PREFERRED ROAM SYSTEM"
> > MIGHT CHANGE 5 OR 6 TIMES--YOU WOULD GET THE "PREFERRED" roam rates only
> > if you switched to the "A" or B system indicated in the little book--it
> > it's latter issues, the preferred systems were printed in red--and as
> > time went by, as verizon or whatever it was at that time, the red
> > listing grew, and grew.
> >
> > It worked, but it was a little confusing, as a lot of folks didn't have
> > a clue as to what in h-- A?B was much less how to change it--but if you
> > made a call, while off home system, roaming could cost as much a $1 or
> > more per minute if the wrong A/B system were selected, or not selected
> > --arrantly now with the new digital systems, the prl thing does this
> > automatically.
> >
> > I would appreciate further explanation if anyone can.
> >
> > Again, I'm no expert, but I do remember the roaming books-and always had
> > it with me to travel
> >
> > "Jim MacKenzie" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > "Justa Lurker" </dev/[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and [email protected]
> > > > (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular:
> > > > |> On a bag phone?
> > > >
> > > > No, Liar Larry. Tri-Mode in AMPS mode, but not a bag phone.
> > >
> > > My Motorola bag phone shows a solid Roam indicator if I'm on a B side system
> > > (my home system is also B), and a blinking Roam indicator if I'm on an A
> > > side system. If I subscribed to the A system instead, the indicator would
> > > show the reverse.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
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- 07-21-2003, 02:07 PM #15p laneGuest
Re: Motorola Bag Phones (analog only) have a programmable PRL?
Short question: If you bought an established "b" system, could you
reassign the sys code that would also be used in an "a" system--if I'm
not wrong, on the old motorola, when you loaded a particular sys code,
this also automatically assigned the a/b system and the other parameters
needed at that time.
[email protected] (Joshua Csepegi) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Well thats not a total lie I do know that the older motorola programming
> did have multiple sid enteries, their for making sort of a prl since it
> has more than one sid.
> so you could be right but why the long post ,when we aquire other
> carriers and absorb their network, wouldn't the obvious answer be that
> we change the sid registered at that tower?
> --
> Josh Csepegi
> Sr. Sales Represenative
> Fredom Wireless
> Verizon Wireless Agents
>
> The opinions expressed here are the opinions of Joshua Csepegi These
> opinions in no way are the thoughts or opinions of Freedom wireless , or
> Verizon wireless.
>
>
> [email protected] (p lane) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > I am not an expert on this, but I still have a bag phone I used in a
> > rather rural area- and before there was as much roaming and
> > consolidation of smaller cellular providers, the bag phone a/b thing
> > worked pretty well--but you may or may not remember there was littlle
> > book issue with your contract--it was a listing by state of who and
> > where and MAINLY "what system either A or B you could roam with.
> > VErizon or at the time Cellular one, GTE, ete, etc, etc, depending on
> > where your home carrier was located, was usually an "A" system--but
> > there were MANY, MANY, MANY EXCEPTIONS" For instance, on a road trip
> > from Tn to Washington and on to New york--your "PREFERRED ROAM SYSTEM"
> > MIGHT CHANGE 5 OR 6 TIMES--YOU WOULD GET THE "PREFERRED" roam rates only
> > if you switched to the "A" or B system indicated in the little book--it
> > it's latter issues, the preferred systems were printed in red--and as
> > time went by, as verizon or whatever it was at that time, the red
> > listing grew, and grew.
> >
> > It worked, but it was a little confusing, as a lot of folks didn't have
> > a clue as to what in h-- A?B was much less how to change it--but if you
> > made a call, while off home system, roaming could cost as much a $1 or
> > more per minute if the wrong A/B system were selected, or not selected
> > --arrantly now with the new digital systems, the prl thing does this
> > automatically.
> >
> > I would appreciate further explanation if anyone can.
> >
> > Again, I'm no expert, but I do remember the roaming books-and always had
> > it with me to travel
> >
> > "Jim MacKenzie" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > "Justa Lurker" </dev/[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > It was Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:06:05 GMT, and [email protected]
> > > > (Larry) wrote in alt.cellular:
> > > > |> On a bag phone?
> > > >
> > > > No, Liar Larry. Tri-Mode in AMPS mode, but not a bag phone.
> > >
> > > My Motorola bag phone shows a solid Roam indicator if I'm on a B side system
> > > (my home system is also B), and a blinking Roam indicator if I'm on an A
> > > side system. If I subscribed to the A system instead, the indicator would
> > > show the reverse.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
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