The Insanity Of The Razr V3C

I'm new to this stuff, and frankly I don't care much about any of it.
A phone is a phone. But let me tell you... when you spend (too much)
money on a stupid phone for someone as a gift, and that phone has a
camera on it, AND it has a USB connector, it kinda makes sense that you
could plug that damn thing in, and download your pictures. HELL NO,
YOU CANT.

FIRST, you have to BUY some crap software called Motorola Phone Tools.
IMAGINE buying a digital camera or MP3 player __AND THEN__ having to
turn around and buy software to use it.

THEN... you get to bang your head against the wall because this crap
software application STILL wont let you download your own pictures.

WHY? Because a "V"ery big carrier decided "gee, Thats a stupid thing
to do with a camera phone. Let's force them to send their pictures
across our network instead! Let's force them to BUY our ring tones...
Lets force them to BUY our java games or whatever the hell."

DO NOT BUY THIS PHONE. And if you do, you have one of three choices -
hack the damn thing (because, thats EXACTLY what you want to do with an
expensive gift...) OR live with their strong arm b/s. The last option,
the one I prefer, is take it back to where you got it, tell them its
defective, and get your money back. Be sure to tell them that the
retard store clerk told you explicitly that you would be able to
download your own pictures, which is a good definition of DEFECTIVE.

I DO NOT subscribe to getting services illegally, like internet and
whatnot, but when you cant plug a cable into your own phone to get your
own pictures, there's something seriously wrong. I'm obviously pretty
upset by all this - that something so simple turns out to be more
insanity than I care to get involved in. Thats the last phone I *ever*
buy from Motorola.

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ShutterMan <[email protected]> wrote:
> WHY? Because a "V"ery big carrier decided "gee, Thats a stupid thing

> Thats the last phone I *ever* buy from Motorola.

Why blame Motorola? Isn't it the "V" company that is causing your problem?
Is that not true of any phone branded by "V"?

My Cingular Motorola V551 transfers pictures via Bluetooth with the driver
that came with the Bluetooth adapter.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

If your Very Big Carrier likes Yellow and "short races" you just need to
update the MPT software (for free) to the latest version. As of last week
version 4.3.6 is available through the update service.

"ShutterMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| I'm new to this stuff, and frankly I don't care much about any of it.
| A phone is a phone. But let me tell you... when you spend (too much)
| money on a stupid phone for someone as a gift, and that phone has a
| camera on it, AND it has a USB connector, it kinda makes sense that you
| could plug that damn thing in, and download your pictures. HELL NO,
| YOU CANT.
|
| FIRST, you have to BUY some crap software called Motorola Phone Tools.
| IMAGINE buying a digital camera or MP3 player __AND THEN__ having to
| turn around and buy software to use it.
|
| THEN... you get to bang your head against the wall because this crap
| software application STILL wont let you download your own pictures.
|
| WHY? Because a "V"ery big carrier decided "gee, Thats a stupid thing
| to do with a camera phone. Let's force them to send their pictures
| across our network instead! Let's force them to BUY our ring tones...
| Lets force them to BUY our java games or whatever the hell."
|
| DO NOT BUY THIS PHONE. And if you do, you have one of three choices -
| hack the damn thing (because, thats EXACTLY what you want to do with an
| expensive gift...) OR live with their strong arm b/s. The last option,
| the one I prefer, is take it back to where you got it, tell them its
| defective, and get your money back. Be sure to tell them that the
| retard store clerk told you explicitly that you would be able to
| download your own pictures, which is a good definition of DEFECTIVE.
|
| I DO NOT subscribe to getting services illegally, like internet and
| whatnot, but when you cant plug a cable into your own phone to get your
| own pictures, there's something seriously wrong. I'm obviously pretty
| upset by all this - that something so simple turns out to be more
| insanity than I care to get involved in. Thats the last phone I *ever*
| buy from Motorola.
|

No, you can't quite blame the V company or any of the carriers. The
reason is simple - Motorola lets them do it. If the software could not
be modified to begin with, then V wouldn't be able to do it. Think of
it this way.... imagine if Sears added a "disable the freezer"
*feature* to their refrigerators. The outlet store uses this "feature"
to force you to buy an external freezer. Do you blame the outlet store,
or the manufacturer?


[email protected] wrote:
> ShutterMan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > WHY? Because a "V"ery big carrier decided "gee, Thats a stupid thing
>
> > Thats the last phone I *ever* buy from Motorola.
>
> Why blame Motorola? Isn't it the "V" company that is causing your problem?
> Is that not true of any phone branded by "V"?
>
> My Cingular Motorola V551 transfers pictures via Bluetooth with the driver
> that came with the Bluetooth adapter.
>
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> Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

On 25 Dec 2006 23:08:57 -0800, "ShutterMan" <[email protected]> wrote
this with the utmost thought:

>I'm new to this stuff, and frankly I don't care much about any of it.
>A phone is a phone. But let me tell you... when you spend (too much)
>money on a stupid phone for someone as a gift, and that phone has a
>camera on it, AND it has a USB connector, it kinda makes sense that you
>could plug that damn thing in, and download your pictures. HELL NO,
>YOU CANT.
>
>FIRST, you have to BUY some crap software called Motorola Phone Tools.
>IMAGINE buying a digital camera or MP3 player __AND THEN__ having to
>turn around and buy software to use it.

Don't blame Motorola, you entered into a contract with a service provider
known for limiting free actions on their supplied handsets. If you wanted
to have more functionality, than just "A phone is a phone" then you should
have checked out your requirements before entering into a V contract.

Digital cameras and MP3 players require PC/Apple connectivity, hence
software is included in the purchase price mainly a driver to allow the
computer and device to connect. If you want more image/sound manipulation
than the often included software allows then you have to fork out for it. If
you want "free" included software with a mobile then buy a Nokia and see how
****e their software is. You've paid for the software in the phone price,
the MP3 player price etc. *but* you can't buy the item without in most cases
*and* when you can, there's little price reduction.

Use the V3C for calls and a camera for picture then you can ignor MPT
altogether and won't incur any additional service charges.

Indeed. The open source community is the last saving grace often
times. It seems that the OS community realize just how silly this
whole thing is to begin with. I most definitely applaud their efforts.

Sir Harden Thicke wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2006 23:08:57 -0800, ShutterMan wrote:
>
> > I'm new to this stuff, and frankly I don't care much about any of it.
> > A phone is a phone. But let me tell you... when you spend (too much)
> > money on a stupid phone for someone as a gift, and that phone has a
> > camera on it, AND it has a USB connector, it kinda makes sense that you
> > could plug that damn thing in, and download your pictures. HELL NO,
> > YOU CANT.
>
> Download BitPim for free.Download the BVRP USB drivers for free.
>
>
> --
> Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004
>
> COOSN-266-06-25794

ShutterMan <[email protected]> wrote:
> No, you can't quite blame the V company or any of the carriers. The
> reason is simple - Motorola lets them do it. If the software could not be
> modified to begin with, then V wouldn't be able to do it. Think of it
> this way.... imagine if Sears added a "disable the freezer" *feature* to
> their refrigerators. The outlet store uses this "feature" to force you
> to buy an external freezer. Do you blame the outlet store, or the
> manufacturer?

I would blame the outlet store.
Manufacturers build what retailers buy.
There are many variants of what seems to be a similar product available at
different national retailers, not just cellphones.

The only place I blame Motorola in all of this is that they seem to have
decided that a poor quality software peddler in Paris is the best source of
the software for synchronization. The retailers don't seem interested in
applying pressure for that feature that isn't used by many folks.

But MPT in its cantankerous state is still better than the free Nokia sync
software that I used in the past.


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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

In article <[email protected]>,
ShutterMan <[email protected]> wrote:


It's not Motorola's fault that Verizon cripples their phones.

In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:

> The only place I blame Motorola in all of this is that they seem to have
> decided that a poor quality software peddler in Paris is the best source of
> the software for synchronization. The retailers don't seem interested in
> applying pressure for that feature that isn't used by many folks.

You're the loser for using Windows. The Mac & Bluetooth require no
special software to talk to the phone (assuming it's not crippled by
your carrier).

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:01:47 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] wrote:

>Why blame Motorola? Isn't it the "V" company that is causing your problem?
>Is that not true of any phone branded by "V"?

I assume you are referring to Verizon. They do, in fact limit their
phones in ways to make them incompatible with MPT. It says so right
on the web page AND the package for MPT.

That's an issue with the branding of the phone and can be rectified by
hacking the phone's codeplug.

The V3c Razr is a superior phone considering the junk that's on the
street these days. Can't blame the manufacturer for the software that
the vendor puts in the phone......

You can however make modifications to make it do what you want.....

~W~
======================
Fly high, fly straight, and fly FAST!!!

On Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:33:50 -0800, Randall Ainsworth
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The only place I blame Motorola in all of this is that they seem to have
>> decided that a poor quality software peddler in Paris is the best source of
>> the software for synchronization. The retailers don't seem interested in
>> applying pressure for that feature that isn't used by many folks.
>
>You're the loser for using Windows. The Mac & Bluetooth require no
>special software to talk to the phone (assuming it's not crippled by
>your carrier).

We're talking phones here. If you don't want the help fix the problem
keep your thoughts to yourself.

~W~
======================
Fly high, fly straight, and fly FAST!!!

Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> wrote:

> > The only place I blame Motorola in all of this is that they seem to
> > have decided that a poor quality software peddler in Paris is the best
> > source of the software for synchronization. The retailers don't seem
> > interested in applying pressure for that feature that isn't used by
> > many folks.

> You're the loser for using Windows. The Mac & Bluetooth require no
> special software to talk to the phone (assuming it's not crippled by your
> carrier).

I'm not sure what you mean by "talk" in this context.

How fully featured is the Mac software? I can transfer photos and address
book contacts with Windows Bluetooth drivers, but I can't sync with MS
Outlook, which I suppose you are also unable to do on a Mac.

The poster was asking about USB. What can you do on a Mac with the phone
and a USB cable?

You mention the possibility that the phone can still be crippled by the
carrier. What can a stock Mac do with a Verizon-crippled phone?

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5

Ah well.. didnt realize this would turn into a flame, but that goes to
show you people's blind loyalty. The manufacturer made a phone, and
they allow carriers to modify the phone to disable features on it.
That's simply retarded. Whats next, "V" and others suing BitPim
authors and such for DMCA violations?

Anyway, Im out. Thanks to those who can vaguely understand where Im
coming from. I didnt want to get caught up in this whole mess to begin
with - I bought a phone for someone, logically thinking they could
download their own photos taken with a camera built into the phone.
But thanks to Motorola's ingenious foresight, they can't.

Thank God Motorola didnt add a "feature" to disable the "5" key on the
phone...Carriers could have had a field day with THAT.

ShutterMan wrote:

> WHY? Because a "V"ery big carrier decided "gee, Thats a stupid thing
> to do with a camera phone. Let's force them to send their pictures
> across our network instead! Let's force them to BUY our ring tones...
> Lets force them to BUY our java games or whatever the hell."

Don't blame Motorola for the crap Verizon pulls. Actually do blame them,
since they should tell the carriers to shove it when the carriers come
to them with requests to de-feature the handsets. It hurts Motorola's
reputation to de-feature phones.

> I DO NOT subscribe to getting services illegally, like internet and
> whatnot, but when you cant plug a cable into your own phone to get your
> own pictures, there's something seriously wrong. I'm obviously pretty
> upset by all this - that something so simple turns out to be more
> insanity than I care to get involved in. Thats the last phone I *ever*
> buy from Motorola.

I don't think that this type of thing is limited to Motorola. It's
really Verizon's fault. I was upset too, then I corrected the problem
and moved on. It takes only a few minutes to correct the problem, though
of course only a fraction of a percent of users will know how to do the
hacking. At least the Motorola handsets are popular enough that there
are people willing to figure out the hacking, and post it for free.

The problem where I live is that if you want excellent coverage, you're
forced to use Verizon. Cingular, Sprint, and T-Mobile have significantly
poorer coverage, so you grin and bear it with Verizon, and hack the
handsets. I found it amusing last week, to be roaming, with my
Verizon/Motorola V325, onto Cingular's network out in the Florida
Everglades. If I had had Cingular service, I couldn't have used
Cingular's network, as the only network out there is AMPS, and Cingular
sells no AMPS capable phones anymore. Of course I was paying 69¢ per
minute for the privilege of roaming.

Whenever I see the Consumer Reports survey, in one sense I'm glad that I
have the carrier that has the best coverage across the U.S., but I know
that Verizon sees their significantly better network as an invitation to
continue pulling stuff like the handset de-featuring.

I'd love to see an ad campaign by carriers that don't cripple the
handsets, that attacked Verizon for doing so. It could be two Razrs side
by side, with MPT up on the screen, and two users each trying to
transfer a photo to their computer.

It would be nice if MPT were included with the phones, but that means
that the carrier would be expected to support the application, and no
way that any carrier would want to support a piece of crap like MPT. It
decides whether to connect to your phone based on lunar tides, it's the
most unstable modern application that I've seen.

ShutterMan wrote:
> No, you can't quite blame the V company or any of the carriers. The
> reason is simple - Motorola lets them do it. If the software could not
> be modified to begin with, then V wouldn't be able to do it. Think of
> it this way.... imagine if Sears added a "disable the freezer"
> *feature* to their refrigerators. The outlet store uses this "feature"
> to force you to buy an external freezer. Do you blame the outlet store,
> or the manufacturer?

Motorola doesn't have the cojones to stand up to the carriers when they
want Motorola to de-content the handsets. But it's Verizon's decision to
sell defeatured handsets. The only thing that would stop Verizon from
doing this is if another carrier used the Verizon decontenting in its
advertising, because almost no one even knows that Verizon is doing this.

Somehow I don't think that the other carriers will be willing to tell
people that they don't have to sign up for a multimedia package in order
to get photos off their phone. OTOH, the revenue from photo sending has
proved to be a huge disappointment to the carriers. The cameras are so
poor that few people want to waste money on sending photos. Any revenue
is from people that don't bother to cancel their unused multimedia packages.

I wish that Consumer Reports had included something about the handset
decontenting in its recent article on cellular.