MP3 audio quality/capabilities of Motorola RAZR V3xx (aka IZAR)

In article <[email protected]>,
"3Gfreak" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Apr 15, 3:43 pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 3Gfreak wrote:
> > > Finally something you are right on John, the V3xx is a horrible music
> > > device. If you own one trash it and get a SYNC. Blows everything else
> > > (except Ipod) out of the water.
> >
> > It doesn't blow a lot of the other music players out of the water
> > either. The Sync audio quality is acceptable. The wired headset sucks,
> > and a Bluetooth stereo headset costs as much as the phone.
> >
> > The V3xx audio quality is also acceptable, though nothing like an iPod
> > or a Sandisk Sansa.
> >
> > The reason to avoid the V3xx is that it's not really usable in Europe
> > and Asia, as Motorola forgot to include 900 MHz GSM which is the most
> > used band in Europe and Asia. 1800 MHz in Europe and Asia is like 1900
> > MHz in North America, the latecomer carriers ended up with it, and the
> > coverage is not as good as the more popular 900 MHz.
>
> The SYNC does blow it out of the water - read the reviews! The bit
> rate is of the V3xx is way to low ( just download some tones from
> American Idol and see for yourself ) and the quality is below par.
>
Given your high standard of download material, I'll pass on your
review...

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3Gfreak wrote:

> 3GFreak
> www.mobilevertigo.com

The V3xx is 256 kb/sec. The Samsung Sync is 320 kb/sec. Okay, the
Samsung has a 20% higher bit rate. I bet that the difference in bit rate
is not even noticable, if you compared the different bit rates on the
same device. If it sounds better than the V3xx then it's likely because
of the amplifiers or other circuitry. There were big differences in
different iPods as well, even though the bit rates were the same (and it
wasn't always the more expensive iPods with the better sound).

I like the Sync's better camera than the Motorola, but in reality these
are still toy cameras.

I'd choose the Sync over the V3xx because the Sync is a world phone,
while the V3xx is not, and I try to keep the number of things I carry to
a minimum when traveling. I'm thinking of buying an unlocked Sync for
travel, to get rid of carrying the separate music player. The V3xx isn't
a contender because of the lack of GSM 800 MHz (they should have just
left off 1800 MHz as well, since it's not a phone that any Asian or
European traveler would buy anyway). However it's unclear if the
SGH-A707 will even work with the prepaid SIM cards sold in Europe and
Asia, it appears as if it needs a special SIM card.

On 2007-04-16, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'd choose the Sync over the V3xx because the Sync is a world phone,
> while the V3xx is not, and I try to keep the number of things I carry to
> a minimum when traveling. I'm thinking of buying an unlocked Sync for
> travel, to get rid of carrying the separate music player. The V3xx isn't
> a contender because of the lack of GSM 800 MHz (they should have just
> left off 1800 MHz as well, since it's not a phone that any Asian or
> European traveler would buy anyway). However it's unclear if the
> SGH-A707 will even work with the prepaid SIM cards sold in Europe and
> Asia, it appears as if it needs a special SIM card.

This is a tough tradeoff. The Sync is 1.8 Mbps HSDPA instead of 3.6, and
I've always had a lot more trouble tethering Samsung phones compared
to Motorola (this my be influenced by the fact I'm a Mac user, though the
fact that the Sync doesn't come with a USB cable doesn't bode well...).
More than this I've begun to think it isn't a "world phone" if it
doesn't support 2100 MHz UMTS as well; you can't use the phone in
some countries without it, your choice of local SIMs is restricted
in other countries, and in a few places 3G Internet access with
a local SIM can be significantly cheaper than the prices hotels usually
ask for Internet service (the UK being one).

I have a European V3xx for travel to 900/1800/2100 countries now. I
don't think I'll be able to go back to a single phone until they
start building 5-band phones.

Dennis Ferguson

Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> I have a European V3xx for travel to 900/1800/2100 countries now. I
> don't think I'll be able to go back to a single phone until they
> start building 5-band phones.

Doesn't the HTC 8525 qualify? Unfortunately its 1.8 Mbps HSDPA, not 3.6.

On Apr 15, 10:23 pm, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
>
>
> "3Gfreak" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Apr 15, 3:43 pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > 3Gfreak wrote:
> > > > Finally something you are right on John, the V3xx is a horrible music
> > > > device. If you own one trash it and get a SYNC. Blows everything else
> > > > (except Ipod) out of the water.
>
> > > It doesn't blow a lot of the other music players out of the water
> > > either. The Sync audio quality is acceptable. The wired headset sucks,
> > > and a Bluetooth stereo headset costs as much as the phone.
>
> > > The V3xx audio quality is also acceptable, though nothing like an iPod
> > > or a Sandisk Sansa.
>
> > > The reason to avoid the V3xx is that it's not really usable in Europe
> > > and Asia, as Motorola forgot to include 900 MHz GSM which is the most
> > > used band in Europe and Asia. 1800 MHz in Europe and Asia is like 1900
> > > MHz in North America, the latecomer carriers ended up with it, and the
> > > coverage is not as good as the more popular 900 MHz.
>
> > The SYNC does blow it out of the water - read the reviews! The bit
> > rate is of the V3xx is way to low ( just download some tones from
> > American Idol and see for yourself ) and the quality is below par.
>
> Given your high standard of download material, I'll pass on your
> review...
>
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It is because the bit rate of the MP3 files are so much higher than
normal MP3's on the AI site. I guess you don't test many handsets.

Cheeers!
3GFreak
www.mobilevertigo.com

Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> I have a European V3xx for travel to 900/1800/2100 countries now. I
> don't think I'll be able to go back to a single phone until they
> start building 5-band phones.

Check out the new Nokia N95. Much more fully featured than the iPhone,
and more expensive too ($750). But it's a real PDA, can sync with
Exchange, is HSDPA, has a good camera, and has a GPS.

Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> I have a European V3xx for travel to 900/1800/2100 countries now. I
> don't think I'll be able to go back to a single phone until they
> start building 5-band phones.

Check out the new Nokia N95. Much more fully featured than the iPhone,
and more expensive too ($750). But it's a real PDA, can sync with
Exchange, is HSDPA, has a good camera, and has a GPS.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:43:28 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>3Gfreak wrote:
>
>> Finally something you are right on John, the V3xx is a horrible music
>> device. If you own one trash it and get a SYNC. Blows everything else
>> (except Ipod) out of the water.
>
>It doesn't blow a lot of the other music players out of the water
>either. The Sync audio quality is acceptable. The wired headset sucks,
>and a Bluetooth stereo headset costs as much as the phone.
>
>The V3xx audio quality is also acceptable, though nothing like an iPod
>or a Sandisk Sansa.

V3xx audio quality is actually excellent, as I've shown here previously,
and as you would know if you'd actually ever used one.

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On 15 Apr 2007 20:04:19 -0700, "3Gfreak" <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:

>On Apr 15, 3:43 pm, SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 3Gfreak wrote:
>> > Finally something you are right on John, the V3xx is a horrible music
>> > device. If you own one trash it and get a SYNC. Blows everything else
>> > (except Ipod) out of the water.
>>
>> It doesn't blow a lot of the other music players out of the water
>> either. The Sync audio quality is acceptable. The wired headset sucks,
>> and a Bluetooth stereo headset costs as much as the phone.
>>
>> The V3xx audio quality is also acceptable, though nothing like an iPod
>> or a Sandisk Sansa.
>>
>> The reason to avoid the V3xx is that it's not really usable in Europe
>> and Asia, as Motorola forgot to include 900 MHz GSM which is the most
>> used band in Europe and Asia. 1800 MHz in Europe and Asia is like 1900
>> MHz in North America, the latecomer carriers ended up with it, and the
>> coverage is not as good as the more popular 900 MHz.
>
>The SYNC does blow it out of the water - read the reviews! The bit
>rate is of the V3xx is way to low ( just download some tones from
>American Idol and see for yourself ) and the quality is below par.

As my previous posts here have shown, the V3xx actually supports
bitrates sufficiently high to be indistinguishable from high-quality CD
originals, and the quality of output on a suitable device is actually
excellent.

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On 2007-04-17, SMS wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson wrote:
>
>> I have a European V3xx for travel to 900/1800/2100 countries now. I
>> don't think I'll be able to go back to a single phone until they
>> start building 5-band phones.
>
> Check out the new Nokia N95. Much more fully featured than the iPhone,
> and more expensive too ($750). But it's a real PDA, can sync with
> Exchange, is HSDPA, has a good camera, and has a GPS.

Yes, the high end of the market is beginning to see 5-band phones and
the Nokia N-series phones in particular are really, really pretty. I've
not yet bought a phone for much over a couple of hundred dollars (the V3xx
was about $100), however, and don't want to particularly now because when
they have 7 (or 14) Mbps HSDPA phones and service with which they are useful
I'll want to upgrade. I'll wait until the functionality gets down
to my price range. Give it a year.

For the iPhone all I can say is I hope they've got a bunch of better
featured models in the design pipeline right behind the first one.

Dennis Ferguson

Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> For the iPhone all I can say is I hope they've got a bunch of better
> featured models in the design pipeline right behind the first one.

The market for the iPhone is totally different than the market for
something like the N95. The N95 is for business users. I don't think
Apple has any intention of going after the business market with the
iPhone. No business user is going to put up with a soft keyboard,
non-replaceable battery, or lack of the PDA functions.

On Apr 17, 10:52 am, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:43:28 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>
> >3Gfreak wrote:
>
> >> Finally something you are right on John, the V3xx is a horrible music
> >> device. If you own one trash it and get a SYNC. Blows everything else
> >> (except Ipod) out of the water.
>
> >It doesn't blow a lot of the other music players out of the water
> >either. The Sync audio quality is acceptable. The wired headset sucks,
> >and a Bluetooth stereo headset costs as much as the phone.
>
> >The V3xx audio quality is also acceptable, though nothing like an iPod
> >or a Sandisk Sansa.
>
> V3xx audio quality is actually excellent, as I've shown here previously,
> and as you would know if you'd actually ever used one.
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

I owned one, learned about it's sub-par performance then quickly sold
it. As a matter of fact, I currently own each phone Cingular currently
offers except for the Palm Series.

Cheers!
3GFreak
www.mobilevertigo.com

3Gfreak <[email protected]> writes:

> I owned one, learned about it's sub-par performance then quickly sold
> it. As a matter of fact, I currently own each phone Cingular currently
> offers except for the Palm Series.

Which one do you like for RF and call quality?

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In article <[email protected]>,
3Gfreak <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Apr 17, 10:52 am, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 13:43:28 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
> > wrote in <[email protected]>:
> >
> > >3Gfreak wrote:
> >
> > >> Finally something you are right on John, the V3xx is a horrible music
> > >> device. If you own one trash it and get a SYNC. Blows everything else
> > >> (except Ipod) out of the water.
> >
> > >It doesn't blow a lot of the other music players out of the water
> > >either. The Sync audio quality is acceptable. The wired headset sucks,
> > >and a Bluetooth stereo headset costs as much as the phone.
> >
> > >The V3xx audio quality is also acceptable, though nothing like an iPod
> > >or a Sandisk Sansa.
> >
> > V3xx audio quality is actually excellent, as I've shown here previously,
> > and as you would know if you'd actually ever used one.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
> > John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
>
> I owned one, learned about it's sub-par performance then quickly sold
> it. As a matter of fact, I currently own each phone Cingular currently
> offers except for the Palm Series.
>
Why?

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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:19:31 -0700, SMS <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>Dennis Ferguson wrote:
>
>> For the iPhone all I can say is I hope they've got a bunch of better
>> featured models in the design pipeline right behind the first one.
>
>The market for the iPhone is totally different than the market for
>something like the N95. The N95 is for business users. I don't think
>Apple has any intention of going after the business market with the
>iPhone. No business user is going to put up with a soft keyboard,
>non-replaceable battery, or lack of the PDA functions.

The non-replaceable battery is a total non-issue for most business
users, and the lack of PDA functions will only matter to some.

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