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  1. #181
    Mark Filla
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    Re: Cell Phone Blocker

    I really doubt that LE and public safety is going to change the way we
    do business just because you think that they should change. I would
    really like to see you walk up to an officer and tell him that he can't
    use his radio because he is invading your space. That would probably
    cause him to put those nice shiny braclets on you and place you in the
    back of the squad car for a little ride downtown.

    --
    Mark KS4VT


    jer <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Mark Filla wrote:
    > > It's not a matter of you calling for public safety, its public safety
    > > requesting back-up or assistance from another agency. An officer isn't
    > > going to go to a land-line requesting back-up. That isn't the way that
    > > we do business.

    >
    > Maybe they ought to reconsider the way they do business. I won't
    > presume to tell anyone how to conduct their business, but I may tell
    > them how I intend to conduct my business - maybe not - it depends on
    > how I feel at the moment. Personally, I don't care if anyone gets
    > their business done, and they're perfectly welcome to feel the same
    > way about me. Public safety people have their priorities, I have
    > mine. Clearly, we're not together on this, and I'm not posting this
    > to mislead anyone into thinking I actually care about those
    > differences, because I don't.
    >
    >
    > > As far as my cell phone invading your private space, that won't happen.
    > > I happen to be very courteous with my phone, keep it on vibrate almost
    > > all the time, and 9 times out of 10 will call the caller back at a later
    > > time and the other one time will step away or go outside. Its up to
    > > you, me, and other technology savvy individuals to educate the rude,
    > > insensitive, or uneducated cell phone users.--
    > > Mark KS4VT

    >
    >
    > In that case, you're right, you won't be getting singled out for being
    > rude. However, I don't believe it's my lot in life to educate anyone
    > about anything, they'll have to deal with their education on their own
    > terms. Some folks seem hell bent to learn some things the hard way,
    > but they all learn eventually. I've drawn my line in the sand, and
    > I'm certain some are foolish enough to step across it thinking nobody
    > cares. Trust me, nothing could be further from the truth.
    >
    >
    > --
    > jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    > "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    > what we know." -- Richard Wilbur
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



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  2. #182
    Ivor Jones
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    Re: Cell Phone Blocker


    "Mark Filla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > No kidding but you don't happen to be up on my previous post that states
    > that Public Safety shares the same 800 spectrum. The 10 tower site
    > public safety simulcast system that I manage interleaves with NEXTEL on
    > 6 of the 28 channels and the other 22 are directly below the 800
    > cellular band at 866 and 867 MHz. Case in point, if a cellular blocker
    > is deployed in the 800 band, you can and will interfere with any
    > existing public safety systems in the 800 MHz spectrum in that same
    > area.


    Maybe that's true where you are, but here in the UK police and other
    emergency services comms are generally somewhere in the 150-170 MHz and
    450-470 MHz areas, nowhere near cellular frequencies.

    Ivor





  3. #183
    Mark Filla
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Blocker

    That's fine...as I never stating that this is true all over the world,
    but you made your point. This was specificially directed towards the US
    as the UK has a much different bandplan due to the close proximity of
    different countries in a specific geographical area.
    --
    Mark KS4VT


    "Ivor Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    > "Mark Filla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > No kidding but you don't happen to be up on my previous post that states
    > > that Public Safety shares the same 800 spectrum. The 10 tower site
    > > public safety simulcast system that I manage interleaves with NEXTEL on
    > > 6 of the 28 channels and the other 22 are directly below the 800
    > > cellular band at 866 and 867 MHz. Case in point, if a cellular blocker
    > > is deployed in the 800 band, you can and will interfere with any
    > > existing public safety systems in the 800 MHz spectrum in that same
    > > area.

    >
    > Maybe that's true where you are, but here in the UK police and other
    > emergency services comms are generally somewhere in the 150-170 MHz and
    > 450-470 MHz areas, nowhere near cellular frequencies.
    >
    > Ivor
    >
    >


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  4. #184
    Mark Filla
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Blocker

    If anyone is considering utilization of this device in the US, here is
    an example of a State Statute (this is Florida's) that you would be
    prosecuted with if you interfered with a LE radio system:

    843.025 Depriving officer of means of protection or communication--It
    is unlawful for any person to deprive a law enforcement officer as
    defined in s. 943.10(1), a correctional officer as defined in s.
    943.10(2), or a correctional probation officer as defined in s.
    943.10(3) of her or his weapon or radio or to otherwise deprive the
    officer of the means to defend herself or himself or summon assistance.
    Any person who violates this section is guilty of a felony of the third
    degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


    History.--s. 2, ch. 84-187; s. 2, ch. 92-52; s. 1335, ch. 97-102.

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...843/Ch0843.HTM
    --
    Mark KS4VT


    "Cellpoint" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > If you are interested in a device that can block all cellular signals for up
    > to 50 Meters, please contact us. This device is for Export Only!!! Not for
    > use in the USA.
    >
    > It is used in applications such as: Theaters, Conferences, Churches,
    > Schools, etc...
    >
    > Samuel Bentolila
    > Cellpoint Corporation
    > http://www.cellpoint.net
    > Toll Free: 877-235-5111
    > Outside the US: 954-927-9998
    >
    >
    >


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  5. #185
    MArk Filla
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Blocker

    Quote from the FCC website:

    Operations
    Blocking & Jamming
    The operation of transmitters designed to jam or block wireless
    communications is a violation of the Communications Act of 1934, as
    amended ("Act"). See 47 U.S.C. Sections 301, 302a, 333. The Act
    prohibits any person from willfully or maliciously interfering with the
    radio communications of any station licensed or authorized under the Act
    or operated by the U.S. government. 47 U.S.C. Section 333. The
    manufacture, importation, sale or offer for sale, including advertising,
    of devices designed to block or jam wireless transmissions is
    prohibited. 47 U.S.C. Section 302a(b). Parties in violation of these
    provisions may be subject to the penalties set out in 47 U.S.C. Sections
    501-510. Fines for a first offense can range as high as $11,000 for each
    violation or imprisonment for up to one year, and the device used may
    also be seized and forfeited to the U.S. government.

    http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/cel...ngjamming.html

    And on top of that a number of public safety officers utilize 800 MHz
    for radio communications. You attempt to block cellular you you will
    also block their lifeline back to their dispatchers and fellow officers.

    That is more important that worrying about someone's rudeness in a movie
    or out to eat IMHO.

    --
    Mark KS4VT




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  6. #186
    tuned by RÄZO
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Blocker


    " Kate Anderson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    | ive seen it in movies, but i think its pointless for you what you are
    | trying to do. The device that he is talking about blocks all cellular
    | signals, what you are trying to do is just block the one call that is
    | coming in right??

    or is it blocking ALT.CELLULAR.* signals (messages) LOL





  7. #187
    jer
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Blocker

    Mark Filla wrote:

    > I really doubt that LE and public safety is going to change the way we
    > do business just because you think that they should change. I would
    > really like to see you walk up to an officer and tell him that he can't
    > use his radio because he is invading your space. That would probably
    > cause him to put those nice shiny braclets on you and place you in the
    > back of the squad car for a little ride downtown.
    >


    I don't expect anyone to change anything just on my say-so, they'll
    have to learn why change is a good thing on their own. For the rest
    of your post, I've got to ask... where do you get this stuff? it's a
    real screamer! ROTFLMAO


    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    what we know." -- Richard Wilbur




  8. #188
    Mark Filla
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Blocker

    It's in Florida State Statues and we have prosecuted for this offense
    (3x) in the past and have won. I get it from past experience
    dude...intentional interference is the same as depriving the officer of
    his radio as upheld by the courts.

    Here is the statute:

    843.025 Depriving officer of means of protection or communication--It
    is unlawful for any person to deprive a law enforcement officer as
    defined in s. 943.10(1), a correctional officer as defined in s.
    943.10(2), or a correctional probation officer as defined in s.
    943.10(3) of her or his weapon or radio or to otherwise deprive the
    officer of the means to defend herself or himself or summon assistance.
    Any person who violates this section is guilty of a felony of the third
    degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.


    History.--s. 2, ch. 84-187; s. 2, ch. 92-52; s. 1335, ch. 97-102.

    http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/ind...843/Ch0843.HTM
    --

    --
    Mark KS4VT

    For the rest
    > of your post, I've got to ask... where do you get this stuff? it's a
    > real screamer! ROTFLMAO
    >
    >
    > --
    > jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    > "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    > what we know." -- Richard Wilbur
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  9. #189
    Nick B.
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Blocker

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:16:59 -0000, [email protected] (Mark Filla)
    wrote:

    >If anyone is considering utilization of this device in the US, here is
    >an example of a State Statute (this is Florida's) that you would be
    >prosecuted with if you interfered with a LE radio system:


    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/68/32361.html

    Ah, lets prosecute the military then

    73's
    --
    To reply by email please include "usenet" in the subject



  10. #190
    jer
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone Blocker

    Mark Filla wrote:

    > It's in Florida State Statues and we have prosecuted for this offense
    > (3x) in the past and have won. I get it from past experience
    > dude...intentional interference is the same as depriving the officer of
    > his radio as upheld by the courts.
    >
    > Here is the statute:

    [....]

    You can quote all the statutes and histories you want, none of it
    matters until you catch someone. Then you gotta prove it. And you
    better be quick, I know of at least one that'll be mobile.

    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    what we know." -- Richard Wilbur




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