Nextel sues Verizon Wireless

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:16:45 GMT, "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
>four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
>
>
Because he has to post through a webpage access phonescooper, wanna
bet he's posting from the office on Verizon's infected network?......



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

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› See More: Nextel sues Verizon Wireless

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 18:16:45 GMT, "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
>four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
>
>
Because he has to post through a webpage access phonescooper, wanna
bet he's posting from the office on Verizon's infected network?......



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

XFF wrote:
> Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>>They do claim (again from the web site) "Coast-to-Coast Coverage. Reach
>>and be reached in more places across the country within the Verizon
>>Wireless National Enhanced Service Area. " Isn't this the upgrade to
>>the data network that is only available in a small number of markets?
>
>
> You should start studying the latest coverage maps and stop spewing
> mis-information. As explained earlier, the VZW data network and the
> entire VZW network are virtually identical, save a very few exceptions
> for recent acquisitions. Now do your homework and give it a rest
> already.
And as explained earlier, the network does not offer the national
coverage they claim. No disclaimers appear in the commercials stating
that it does not have the same coverage as their phone service. Huge
holes, period. Homework done- try the same. Or are you involved in
some spewing of your own?

XFF wrote:
> Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>>They do claim (again from the web site) "Coast-to-Coast Coverage. Reach
>>and be reached in more places across the country within the Verizon
>>Wireless National Enhanced Service Area. " Isn't this the upgrade to
>>the data network that is only available in a small number of markets?
>
>
> You should start studying the latest coverage maps and stop spewing
> mis-information. As explained earlier, the VZW data network and the
> entire VZW network are virtually identical, save a very few exceptions
> for recent acquisitions. Now do your homework and give it a rest
> already.
And as explained earlier, the network does not offer the national
coverage they claim. No disclaimers appear in the commercials stating
that it does not have the same coverage as their phone service. Huge
holes, period. Homework done- try the same. Or are you involved in
some spewing of your own?

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:17:11 -0000, [email protected] (VZW Guy)
wrote:

>When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
>America's choice coverage map.. They are different.
>
Don't bother. If the big red blob covering the whole of western SC is
any indication, even areas there are only AMPS transmitters, is any
indication.....the map is just the usual "rate map" bull**** and is
totally meaningless.

The snotty salesman refused to follow me out into the red blob towards
the GA border, easily within the map's coverage area for a little PTT
test back to the office. Even my offer to eat his sneaker and $100
wouldn't pry him out from behind that counter.....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:17:11 -0000, [email protected] (VZW Guy)
wrote:

>When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
>America's choice coverage map.. They are different.
>
Don't bother. If the big red blob covering the whole of western SC is
any indication, even areas there are only AMPS transmitters, is any
indication.....the map is just the usual "rate map" bull**** and is
totally meaningless.

The snotty salesman refused to follow me out into the red blob towards
the GA border, easily within the map's coverage area for a little PTT
test back to the office. Even my offer to eat his sneaker and $100
wouldn't pry him out from behind that counter.....(c;



Larry W4CSC

3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

Larry W4CSC wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:17:11 -0000, [email protected] (VZW Guy)
> wrote:
>
>
>>When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
>>America's choice coverage map.. They are different.
>>
>
> Don't bother. If the big red blob covering the whole of western SC is
> any indication, even areas there are only AMPS transmitters, is any
> indication.....the map is just the usual "rate map" bull**** and is
> totally meaningless.
>
> The snotty salesman refused to follow me out into the red blob towards
> the GA border, easily within the map's coverage area for a little PTT
> test back to the office. Even my offer to eat his sneaker and $100
> wouldn't pry him out from behind that counter.....(c;
>
>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
> 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
> gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
> conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
I just noticed that Verizon Wireless has taken the ad for PTT off their
home page and replaced it with a camera phone (now there's a useful
phone if I ever saw one). Only one small link to find out about PTT.
Hmmmmm- Nextel sues Verizon, and two days later, their 'super hot,
better than the rest' PTT isn't worthy of front page advertisement
anymore. Coincidence?

Larry W4CSC wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:17:11 -0000, [email protected] (VZW Guy)
> wrote:
>
>
>>When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
>>America's choice coverage map.. They are different.
>>
>
> Don't bother. If the big red blob covering the whole of western SC is
> any indication, even areas there are only AMPS transmitters, is any
> indication.....the map is just the usual "rate map" bull**** and is
> totally meaningless.
>
> The snotty salesman refused to follow me out into the red blob towards
> the GA border, easily within the map's coverage area for a little PTT
> test back to the office. Even my offer to eat his sneaker and $100
> wouldn't pry him out from behind that counter.....(c;
>
>
>
> Larry W4CSC
>
> 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
> gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
> conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?
I just noticed that Verizon Wireless has taken the ad for PTT off their
home page and replaced it with a camera phone (now there's a useful
phone if I ever saw one). Only one small link to find out about PTT.
Hmmmmm- Nextel sues Verizon, and two days later, their 'super hot,
better than the rest' PTT isn't worthy of front page advertisement
anymore. Coincidence?

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[email protected] (VZW Guy) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
> America's choice coverage map.. They are different.

Of course they are. Nobody is questioning that. The America's Choice
footprint includes preferred roaming partners like ALLTEL, USCC, SPCS,
WWCA, AT&T, etc.

What I've been saying here is that VZW's native footprint and their
1xRTT enabled (ie. PTT/EN capable) footprint are virtually identical,
save very few exceptions of recent aquisitions. I never said anything
about America's Choice having the same footprint.

[email protected] (VZW Guy) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> When I get home tonight I will post the PTT coverage map, and the
> America's choice coverage map.. They are different.

Of course they are. Nobody is questioning that. The America's Choice
footprint includes preferred roaming partners like ALLTEL, USCC, SPCS,
WWCA, AT&T, etc.

What I've been saying here is that VZW's native footprint and their
1xRTT enabled (ie. PTT/EN capable) footprint are virtually identical,
save very few exceptions of recent aquisitions. I never said anything
about America's Choice having the same footprint.

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Nextel offers group calling (has done it for years). THis is nothing
> new. And no matter what people think, Verizon PTT does not work on
> their entire network.

It works on almost their entire network, since they are close to
100% converted to 1xRTT. It won't work where you're roaming on
other carrier's networks of course. It's still a much bigger
PTT network than Nextel's. And of course you can still make regular
calls on the extended network.

> It only works on their data network, and the foot
> print is much smaller than the entire Nextel network (which offers PTT
> throughout the entire netwrok).

Untrue.

In any case, Nextel isn't going to lose many business customers
to Verizon, unless those customers don't really care about PTT,
in which case they never would have gone to Nextel in the first
place. Where Nextel will lose out is in the competition for
non-business customers, where PTT is a cute feature, but Nextel
quality PTT is not necessary, or where the customer is unwilling
to give up the good coverage provided by a CDMA or TDMA carrier.

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Nextel offers group calling (has done it for years). THis is nothing
> new. And no matter what people think, Verizon PTT does not work on
> their entire network.

It works on almost their entire network, since they are close to
100% converted to 1xRTT. It won't work where you're roaming on
other carrier's networks of course. It's still a much bigger
PTT network than Nextel's. And of course you can still make regular
calls on the extended network.

> It only works on their data network, and the foot
> print is much smaller than the entire Nextel network (which offers PTT
> throughout the entire netwrok).

Untrue.

In any case, Nextel isn't going to lose many business customers
to Verizon, unless those customers don't really care about PTT,
in which case they never would have gone to Nextel in the first
place. Where Nextel will lose out is in the competition for
non-business customers, where PTT is a cute feature, but Nextel
quality PTT is not necessary, or where the customer is unwilling
to give up the good coverage provided by a CDMA or TDMA carrier.

What was the email addy Justin? MB

>
>
> Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
> four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
>
>

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What was the email addy Justin? MB

>
>
> Off topic, but I think you might have a virus, malebomb. I received about
> four e-mails from you with "Microsoft" updates.
>
>

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Steven Scharf wrote:

> Where Nextel will lose out is in the competition for
> non-business customers, where PTT is a cute feature, but Nextel
> quality PTT is not necessary, or where the customer is unwilling
> to give up the good coverage provided by a CDMA or TDMA carrier.

I won't argue with that, but I don't think that Nextel looks at it as a
huge loss. So much of their business is providing to business, that a
drop in the addition of higher risk non-business customers might not
hurt as much. It probably costs them more to service a single
subscriber account than a 1,00 subscriber account, when you take expense
vs. revenue into account.

And as I have mentioned many times in the past, Nextel has made some
interesting purchases of CDMA technology rights (qualcomm PTT technology
for one). You would only do this for two reasons- to use the
technology, or prevent your competition from using it. And at the time
of the agreement, Nextel was in no position to buy something they
weren't planning on using. Is it possible that the acquisition of a
CDMA carrier (PCS?) is not far in the future? I'm sure that Motorola is
perfectly capable of making a dual mode phone (iDen/CDMA)