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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:45:28 -0700, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:

>
>i'm just old enough to drink and eminem ****ing sucks.
>it is indeed sad that eminem is the epitome of modern american
>culture...sheep.

I agree.....

Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art



Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:45:28 -0700, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:

>
>i'm just old enough to drink and eminem ****ing sucks.
>it is indeed sad that eminem is the epitome of modern american
>culture...sheep.

I agree.....

Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art



Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"

> > I will add more to the list as I find information about other
> > phones on the web or via other methods.
> >
> > http://n9wos.home.att.net/cell/cell.html
>
> I have gotten a moderate number of motorola phones on the list right now.
> (plus or minus(mostly minus) a few specifications.)
> I think I will split the list into separate list based on producers.
> And possibly even by normal mode of operation.

And I continue trudging on.
I have switched to separate list.
I have the old list of the phones I own.

I have a Motorola list I put up.
I have rearranged it so there is a line for
data capabilities and one to indicate the
number of NAMs the phone supports.
Now I have to work on populating the
list completely.
And, if possible, determine the values to put in the squares. :-P

> > I will add more to the list as I find information about other
> > phones on the web or via other methods.
> >
> > http://n9wos.home.att.net/cell/cell.html
>
> I have gotten a moderate number of motorola phones on the list right now.
> (plus or minus(mostly minus) a few specifications.)
> I think I will split the list into separate list based on producers.
> And possibly even by normal mode of operation.

And I continue trudging on.
I have switched to separate list.
I have the old list of the phones I own.

I have a Motorola list I put up.
I have rearranged it so there is a line for
data capabilities and one to indicate the
number of NAMs the phone supports.
Now I have to work on populating the
list completely.
And, if possible, determine the values to put in the squares. :-P

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:50:25 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:45:28 -0700, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>i'm just old enough to drink and eminem ****ing sucks.
>>it is indeed sad that eminem is the epitome of modern american
>>culture...sheep.
>
>I agree.....
>
>Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art
>

BWAHAHAHAHA i have never read something that was so true and so funny
at the same time...you kill me.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:50:25 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:45:28 -0700, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>i'm just old enough to drink and eminem ****ing sucks.
>>it is indeed sad that eminem is the epitome of modern american
>>culture...sheep.
>
>I agree.....
>
>Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art
>

BWAHAHAHAHA i have never read something that was so true and so funny
at the same time...you kill me.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:56:45 -0800, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:

>>I agree.....
>>
>>Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art
>>
>
>BWAHAHAHAHA i have never read something that was so true and so funny
>at the same time...you kill me.

"Music" creation ended when producers found out they could make a
noise with a computer and could find millions of idiots who couldn't
tell the difference.

To produce a song in many of the new "formats" costs less than the 8
cents it costs to produce and label a CD in a cheap jewel case.....

I'm not NEARLY as funny as the guy who says he can tell a rap song has
been compressed in MP3 format....(c;

I have an old friend who is chief engineer of a big rock station.
He's past retirement age, but loves his big transmitter, even though
it doesn't have any tubes in it, any more. He claims that any
distortion added to the audio chain between the crap on the disk and
the transmitter only enhances audience experience and increases the
stations already high ratings.....

Case in point was when the station took a lightning hit which wiped
out the STL transmitter in the city, the Studio Transmitter Link
microwave. A hastily-made telephone connection was made to an old
phone line hard-wired "radio loop" to the transmitter they used to use
all the time. They had no line amp to use at the transmitter, so he
borrowed his kid's old stereo phonograph and fed the phone line audio
into the phono cartridge wires by laying the disassembled record
player on its back on the transmitter room floor. External speaker
jacks were connected to the transmitter's audio input and the level
was hastily adjusted until it was "clost 'nuf", a level known only to
senior broadcast engineers. It ran that way for almost 6 months
before the STL equipment got back from the manufacturer. Noone
listening to the noise from the network techno/house/rap/noise feed
seemed to notice....(c;

Ratings even went up!





Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:56:45 -0800, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:

>>I agree.....
>>
>>Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art
>>
>
>BWAHAHAHAHA i have never read something that was so true and so funny
>at the same time...you kill me.

"Music" creation ended when producers found out they could make a
noise with a computer and could find millions of idiots who couldn't
tell the difference.

To produce a song in many of the new "formats" costs less than the 8
cents it costs to produce and label a CD in a cheap jewel case.....

I'm not NEARLY as funny as the guy who says he can tell a rap song has
been compressed in MP3 format....(c;

I have an old friend who is chief engineer of a big rock station.
He's past retirement age, but loves his big transmitter, even though
it doesn't have any tubes in it, any more. He claims that any
distortion added to the audio chain between the crap on the disk and
the transmitter only enhances audience experience and increases the
stations already high ratings.....

Case in point was when the station took a lightning hit which wiped
out the STL transmitter in the city, the Studio Transmitter Link
microwave. A hastily-made telephone connection was made to an old
phone line hard-wired "radio loop" to the transmitter they used to use
all the time. They had no line amp to use at the transmitter, so he
borrowed his kid's old stereo phonograph and fed the phone line audio
into the phono cartridge wires by laying the disassembled record
player on its back on the transmitter room floor. External speaker
jacks were connected to the transmitter's audio input and the level
was hastily adjusted until it was "clost 'nuf", a level known only to
senior broadcast engineers. It ran that way for almost 6 months
before the STL equipment got back from the manufacturer. Noone
listening to the noise from the network techno/house/rap/noise feed
seemed to notice....(c;

Ratings even went up!





Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:25:07 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) posted
in alt.cellular.motorola:

>Case in point was when the station took a lightning hit which wiped
>out the STL transmitter in the city, the Studio Transmitter Link
>microwave. A hastily-made telephone connection was made to an old
>phone line hard-wired "radio loop" to the transmitter they used to use
>all the time. They had no line amp to use at the transmitter, so he
>borrowed his kid's old stereo phonograph and fed the phone line audio
>into the phono cartridge wires by laying the disassembled record
>player on its back on the transmitter room floor. External speaker
>jacks were connected to the transmitter's audio input and the level
>was hastily adjusted until it was "clost 'nuf", a level known only to
>senior broadcast engineers. It ran that way for almost 6 months
>before the STL equipment got back from the manufacturer. Noone
>listening to the noise from the network techno/house/rap/noise feed
>seemed to notice....(c;

We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
of money.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:25:07 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) posted
in alt.cellular.motorola:

>Case in point was when the station took a lightning hit which wiped
>out the STL transmitter in the city, the Studio Transmitter Link
>microwave. A hastily-made telephone connection was made to an old
>phone line hard-wired "radio loop" to the transmitter they used to use
>all the time. They had no line amp to use at the transmitter, so he
>borrowed his kid's old stereo phonograph and fed the phone line audio
>into the phono cartridge wires by laying the disassembled record
>player on its back on the transmitter room floor. External speaker
>jacks were connected to the transmitter's audio input and the level
>was hastily adjusted until it was "clost 'nuf", a level known only to
>senior broadcast engineers. It ran that way for almost 6 months
>before the STL equipment got back from the manufacturer. Noone
>listening to the noise from the network techno/house/rap/noise feed
>seemed to notice....(c;

We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
of money.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:27 GMT, Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
>of money.
>--
>Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

As long as the kiddies are allowed to play with the knobs in what's
left of the studios, there will always be a need for a compander at
the transmitter to adjust the levels for them...(c;

Of course, the transmitter is now digitized and refuses to
overmodulate, in any event, but we still let them think overmodulation
will "get out further", like always....

A 50KW AM station is amazingly efficient, now. Take a look:
http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
The best look at the 50KW Harris AM transmitter is on:
http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow.shtml#digmodsect

It ain't your grandpa's 50KW monster any more....


Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:27 GMT, Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
>of money.
>--
>Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

As long as the kiddies are allowed to play with the knobs in what's
left of the studios, there will always be a need for a compander at
the transmitter to adjust the levels for them...(c;

Of course, the transmitter is now digitized and refuses to
overmodulate, in any event, but we still let them think overmodulation
will "get out further", like always....

A 50KW AM station is amazingly efficient, now. Take a look:
http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
The best look at the 50KW Harris AM transmitter is on:
http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow.shtml#digmodsect

It ain't your grandpa's 50KW monster any more....


Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:21:00 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:27 GMT, Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
>>of money.
>>--
>>Al - rukbat at optonline dot net
>
>As long as the kiddies are allowed to play with the knobs in what's
>left of the studios, there will always be a need for a compander at
>the transmitter to adjust the levels for them...(c;
>
>Of course, the transmitter is now digitized and refuses to
>overmodulate, in any event, but we still let them think overmodulation
>will "get out further", like always....
>
>A 50KW AM station is amazingly efficient, now. Take a look:
>http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
>The best look at the 50KW Harris AM transmitter is on:
>http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow.shtml#digmodsect
>
>It ain't your grandpa's 50KW monster any more....

hey larry, u seem to know a lot about radio/transmission etc... maybe
i'm tripping but to me a song played over the radio actually sounds
BETTER than the cd. thats if the station is 100% clear. i'm not sure
why but it sorta sounds bigger, or has more highs and sounds ***ller
or something...someone told me its because the engineers at the
station mix the levels before its broadcast, but i dunno....people say
im high the cd sounds better etc but not to me.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:21:00 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:27 GMT, Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
>>of money.
>>--
>>Al - rukbat at optonline dot net
>
>As long as the kiddies are allowed to play with the knobs in what's
>left of the studios, there will always be a need for a compander at
>the transmitter to adjust the levels for them...(c;
>
>Of course, the transmitter is now digitized and refuses to
>overmodulate, in any event, but we still let them think overmodulation
>will "get out further", like always....
>
>A 50KW AM station is amazingly efficient, now. Take a look:
>http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
>The best look at the 50KW Harris AM transmitter is on:
>http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow.shtml#digmodsect
>
>It ain't your grandpa's 50KW monster any more....

hey larry, u seem to know a lot about radio/transmission etc... maybe
i'm tripping but to me a song played over the radio actually sounds
BETTER than the cd. thats if the station is 100% clear. i'm not sure
why but it sorta sounds bigger, or has more highs and sounds ***ller
or something...someone told me its because the engineers at the
station mix the levels before its broadcast, but i dunno....people say
im high the cd sounds better etc but not to me.

Don't know what your station's transmitter is, but what you're hearing
is what the guitar players have known for years. Distortion is not
all bad. That's why guitar players prefer TUBE amplifiers, as do
Hammond organ players. The fuller, "rounder" sound comes about
because of the bandpass curve of interstage and output transformers
and filters throughout the system.

I assume you're listening to FM, but even FM has several limits. RIAA
equalization, the response curve put into the music before it's
recorded, is designed to taylor the music to fit on a standard stereo
FM transmitter. FM's audio passband is from 50 to 15000 Hz. It's not
DC to daylight. The FM transmitter's modulation spectrum looks like
this for stereo FM


50Hz....................15Khz 19Khz 23Khz..........53Khz 60-70Khz
Left+Right mono audio Pilot L minus R audio Musak NBFM
Tone

To get left and right audio, there's a receiver inside the receiver,
tuned to 38 Khz after the FM detector. This receiver is actually AM.
There's very little noise, anyway. The output from this subcarrier
receiver is Left MINUS right audio. Right is backwards phase (180
degrees) from the Right audio on the main mono channel.

if we feed both the output of the subcarrier receiver to the main
audio, the right channel audio cancels out and we're left with Left
Channel audio. If we INVERT the phase of the subcarrier audio and add
it to the main audio, the LEFT channel cancels out and we get right
audio. There, now you have the Left and Right we started with. This
was invented before "digital" anything....strictly analog in nature.
It's still very ingenious and very simple to build receivers for.
But, as you can see, there are no "highs" above the 15 Khz limit, no
matter what the audiofool hype. 99.9% of the music is well below this
limit. It sounds great. The 50 Hz lower limit is caused by the limit
of using phase modulators on old transmitters and that POS consumer
receiver with the coupling capacitors between stages. It was agreed
to be the lower limit, probably before you were born. FM has other
maladies that are overcome by putting a slope in the modulation audio
curve at the transmitter, but before you hear it, we pass it through a
backwards slope after the detector to flatten it back out and reduce
the hissing noise on your end, similar to what was done to tape. It's
called "pre-emphasis" at the transmitter and "de-emphasis" at the
receiver.

The CDs aren't restricted to these limits, on new music. Old
recordings may be enhanced, but old recordings were still RIAA
equalization standardized for FM transmission (50-15000 Hz). Hype and
imagination hasn't changed that.

It's all about getting your music played on the air so it will SELL at
the record shops.....the only reason to record the music in the first
place....M-O-N-E-Y.





On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 17:56:33 -0800, Steve Vai <****[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:21:00 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:27 GMT, Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>We used to use Level Devils and companders. We could have saved a lot
>>>of money.
>>>--
>>>Al - rukbat at optonline dot net
>>
>>As long as the kiddies are allowed to play with the knobs in what's
>>left of the studios, there will always be a need for a compander at
>>the transmitter to adjust the levels for them...(c;
>>
>>Of course, the transmitter is now digitized and refuses to
>>overmodulate, in any event, but we still let them think overmodulation
>>will "get out further", like always....
>>
>>A 50KW AM station is amazingly efficient, now. Take a look:
>>http://hawkins.pair.com/radio.html
>>The best look at the 50KW Harris AM transmitter is on:
>>http://hawkins.pair.com/wabcnow.shtml#digmodsect
>>
>>It ain't your grandpa's 50KW monster any more....
>
>hey larry, u seem to know a lot about radio/transmission etc... maybe
>i'm tripping but to me a song played over the radio actually sounds
>BETTER than the cd. thats if the station is 100% clear. i'm not sure
>why but it sorta sounds bigger, or has more highs and sounds ***ller
>or something...someone told me its because the engineers at the
>station mix the levels before its broadcast, but i dunno....people say
>im high the cd sounds better etc but not to me.


Larry W4CSC

"Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"