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  1. #1
    I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
    posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I downloaded
    the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.

    Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
    California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular rep
    said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and it's
    pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated for
    even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
    but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
    Especially in the Cal-Nev region.



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  2. #2
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:47:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
    >posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I downloaded
    >the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.
    >
    >Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
    >California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular rep
    >said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and it's
    >pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated for
    >even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
    >but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
    >Especially in the Cal-Nev region.


    Won't happen. They hate AMPS because it's hi-fi FM system reduces
    revenue per channel.

    Keep the phone, though, and use its cigarette lighter power plug for
    free emergency phone service where your little toyphone won't work.
    You can still call 911 for free....from places the other phone will
    never connect.

    One of the ploys that have been successfully used is to register a
    digital phone on a digital plan. Program your phone number into the
    AMPS monster beforehand. Then, when you find yourself in a DEAD ZONE,
    call 611 from the AMPS phone and say that the reason you are calling
    is because the AMPS phone works and the crapphone doesn't and you just
    GOTTA have a working phone. Be very nice, contrite and beg the TSR to
    do an ESN swap to the AMPS phone so you'll have service until you get
    back to digital country. Drop a lot of calls on digital before you do
    it so they can see it on your call history report in the last few
    minutes. (Tin foil around the antenna on the crapphone is a great way
    to cause dropped calls..(c.

    Fearing your churning, they'll turn on the AMPS phone to make you
    happy and keep your money rollin' in. All you do, if successful, is
    to forget to call back on the crapphone to switch it
    back.....(shrug)....

    It has worked many times.......(c;.....no matter what the company
    clones on here are going to tell you......and you'll have a phone that
    works in many more places than the crapphones will.



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"




  3. #3
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:47:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
    >posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I downloaded
    >the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.
    >
    >Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
    >California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular rep
    >said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and it's
    >pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated for
    >even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
    >but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
    >Especially in the Cal-Nev region.


    Won't happen. They hate AMPS because it's hi-fi FM system reduces
    revenue per channel.

    Keep the phone, though, and use its cigarette lighter power plug for
    free emergency phone service where your little toyphone won't work.
    You can still call 911 for free....from places the other phone will
    never connect.

    One of the ploys that have been successfully used is to register a
    digital phone on a digital plan. Program your phone number into the
    AMPS monster beforehand. Then, when you find yourself in a DEAD ZONE,
    call 611 from the AMPS phone and say that the reason you are calling
    is because the AMPS phone works and the crapphone doesn't and you just
    GOTTA have a working phone. Be very nice, contrite and beg the TSR to
    do an ESN swap to the AMPS phone so you'll have service until you get
    back to digital country. Drop a lot of calls on digital before you do
    it so they can see it on your call history report in the last few
    minutes. (Tin foil around the antenna on the crapphone is a great way
    to cause dropped calls..(c.

    Fearing your churning, they'll turn on the AMPS phone to make you
    happy and keep your money rollin' in. All you do, if successful, is
    to forget to call back on the crapphone to switch it
    back.....(shrug)....

    It has worked many times.......(c;.....no matter what the company
    clones on here are going to tell you......and you'll have a phone that
    works in many more places than the crapphones will.



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"




  4. #4
    About Dakota
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?



    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:47:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
    >>posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I downloaded
    >>the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.
    >>
    >>Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
    >>California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular rep
    >>said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and it's
    >>pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated for
    >>even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
    >>but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
    >>Especially in the Cal-Nev region.

    >
    >
    > Won't happen. They hate AMPS because it's hi-fi FM system reduces
    > revenue per channel.
    >
    > Keep the phone, though, and use its cigarette lighter power plug for
    > free emergency phone service where your little toyphone won't work.
    > You can still call 911 for free....from places the other phone will
    > never connect.
    >
    > One of the ploys that have been successfully used is to register a
    > digital phone on a digital plan. Program your phone number into the
    > AMPS monster beforehand. Then, when you find yourself in a DEAD ZONE,
    > call 611 from the AMPS phone and say that the reason you are calling
    > is because the AMPS phone works and the crapphone doesn't and you just
    > GOTTA have a working phone. Be very nice, contrite and beg the TSR to
    > do an ESN swap to the AMPS phone so you'll have service until you get
    > back to digital country. Drop a lot of calls on digital before you do
    > it so they can see it on your call history report in the last few
    > minutes. (Tin foil around the antenna on the crapphone is a great way
    > to cause dropped calls..(c.
    >
    > Fearing your churning, they'll turn on the AMPS phone to make you
    > happy and keep your money rollin' in. All you do, if successful, is
    > to forget to call back on the crapphone to switch it
    > back.....(shrug)....
    >
    > It has worked many times.......(c;.....no matter what the company
    > clones on here are going to tell you......and you'll have a phone that
    > works in many more places than the crapphones will.
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
    >


    One thing that I would like to add about Cingular in SoCal. It is GSM,
    and always has been. Since it has always been GSM, they don't have any
    AMPS infrastructure there at all.

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  5. #5
    About Dakota
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?



    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 20:47:56 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
    >>posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I downloaded
    >>the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.
    >>
    >>Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
    >>California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular rep
    >>said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and it's
    >>pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated for
    >>even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
    >>but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
    >>Especially in the Cal-Nev region.

    >
    >
    > Won't happen. They hate AMPS because it's hi-fi FM system reduces
    > revenue per channel.
    >
    > Keep the phone, though, and use its cigarette lighter power plug for
    > free emergency phone service where your little toyphone won't work.
    > You can still call 911 for free....from places the other phone will
    > never connect.
    >
    > One of the ploys that have been successfully used is to register a
    > digital phone on a digital plan. Program your phone number into the
    > AMPS monster beforehand. Then, when you find yourself in a DEAD ZONE,
    > call 611 from the AMPS phone and say that the reason you are calling
    > is because the AMPS phone works and the crapphone doesn't and you just
    > GOTTA have a working phone. Be very nice, contrite and beg the TSR to
    > do an ESN swap to the AMPS phone so you'll have service until you get
    > back to digital country. Drop a lot of calls on digital before you do
    > it so they can see it on your call history report in the last few
    > minutes. (Tin foil around the antenna on the crapphone is a great way
    > to cause dropped calls..(c.
    >
    > Fearing your churning, they'll turn on the AMPS phone to make you
    > happy and keep your money rollin' in. All you do, if successful, is
    > to forget to call back on the crapphone to switch it
    > back.....(shrug)....
    >
    > It has worked many times.......(c;.....no matter what the company
    > clones on here are going to tell you......and you'll have a phone that
    > works in many more places than the crapphones will.
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"
    >


    One thing that I would like to add about Cingular in SoCal. It is GSM,
    and always has been. Since it has always been GSM, they don't have any
    AMPS infrastructure there at all.

    AD




  6. #6
    Mike
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:21:58 -0600, About Dakota
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >One thing that I would like to add about Cingular in SoCal. It is GSM,
    >and always has been. Since it has always been GSM, they don't have any
    >AMPS infrastructure there at all.


    Correct. In fact, what's Cingular in California now, started life as
    "Pacific Bell Mobile Services". Full GSM only, and they've never even
    roamed on analog anywhere in California.

    Mike



  7. #7
    Mike
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:21:58 -0600, About Dakota
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >One thing that I would like to add about Cingular in SoCal. It is GSM,
    >and always has been. Since it has always been GSM, they don't have any
    >AMPS infrastructure there at all.


    Correct. In fact, what's Cingular in California now, started life as
    "Pacific Bell Mobile Services". Full GSM only, and they've never even
    roamed on analog anywhere in California.

    Mike



  8. #8

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    I'll try that. My contract was up a month ago so perhaps that can help. When
    I tried a ESN swap via 800 # I was kicked to a csr who said to call back.
    Thanks for the assistance Larry, your tales of bagphonery and ham exploits
    are very interesting.



  9. #9

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    I'll try that. My contract was up a month ago so perhaps that can help. When
    I tried a ESN swap via 800 # I was kicked to a csr who said to call back.
    Thanks for the assistance Larry, your tales of bagphonery and ham exploits
    are very interesting.



  10. #10
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    [email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
    > posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I downloaded
    > the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.
    >
    > Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
    > California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular rep
    > said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and it's
    > pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated for
    > even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
    > but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
    > Especially in the Cal-Nev region.


    Can you handle 95-cents a minute?

    If so, Cingular will activate analog phones on pre-paid, but only in
    areas where they offer TDMA/analog service. (CA/NV Cingular is
    1900MHz digital-GSM only.)

    You could call Cingular and give them, say, a Kansas City, MO address
    you find on Mapquest, and active the phone. You'll pay 35-cents/min
    in Cingular TDMA areas, and 95-cents/minute when roaming. (Basically
    everywhere you'll go is roaming!) $20 cards last for 90-days, so
    keeping that phone alive will cost you $6.67/month.



  11. #11
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    [email protected] wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I've got an old Motorola 2744 bag phone I'm trying to use. I've googled
    > posts for daze and read 'em all. (Gotta love that Larry). Yes, I downloaded
    > the bible as well. So far, I can make collect, calling card and 911 calls.
    >
    > Now that I want to attempt to utilize this relic, the schmucks in Southern
    > California don't want to activate anything other then GSM. The Cingular rep
    > said new prepaid activation was GSM only. I've got TDMA with ATTWS and it's
    > pretty good (even in Death Valley). But I need this bag phone activated for
    > even more remote usage. Maybe some day I'll investigate satelite phones
    > but...Does anyone know of any way to do an analog activation on prepay?
    > Especially in the Cal-Nev region.


    Can you handle 95-cents a minute?

    If so, Cingular will activate analog phones on pre-paid, but only in
    areas where they offer TDMA/analog service. (CA/NV Cingular is
    1900MHz digital-GSM only.)

    You could call Cingular and give them, say, a Kansas City, MO address
    you find on Mapquest, and active the phone. You'll pay 35-cents/min
    in Cingular TDMA areas, and 95-cents/minute when roaming. (Basically
    everywhere you'll go is roaming!) $20 cards last for 90-days, so
    keeping that phone alive will cost you $6.67/month.



  12. #12
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:06:55 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >I'll try that. My contract was up a month ago so perhaps that can help. When
    >I tried a ESN swap via 800 # I was kicked to a csr who said to call back.
    >Thanks for the assistance Larry, your tales of bagphonery and ham exploits
    >are very interesting.


    I have a friend in the paging business who knows lots of people in the
    paging business. He found a whole warehouse full of IMTS terminal
    equipment, huge transmitters/receivers/antennas/mobiles, etc.

    We've toyed with the idea of a one-site (800') IMTS, just for fun.
    He's got the infrastructure and a T1 on-site for the interconnect.
    It'd be a helluva lot of fun to hear my car horn blowing for a call,
    again. 800' would give us 50-60 mile range on 152 Mhz in this flat
    country....(c;

    Geez, maybe we could sell it for use in the car in the DEAD
    ZONES!.....$20/month plus LD?.....



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"




  13. #13
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:06:55 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

    >I'll try that. My contract was up a month ago so perhaps that can help. When
    >I tried a ESN swap via 800 # I was kicked to a csr who said to call back.
    >Thanks for the assistance Larry, your tales of bagphonery and ham exploits
    >are very interesting.


    I have a friend in the paging business who knows lots of people in the
    paging business. He found a whole warehouse full of IMTS terminal
    equipment, huge transmitters/receivers/antennas/mobiles, etc.

    We've toyed with the idea of a one-site (800') IMTS, just for fun.
    He's got the infrastructure and a T1 on-site for the interconnect.
    It'd be a helluva lot of fun to hear my car horn blowing for a call,
    again. 800' would give us 50-60 mile range on 152 Mhz in this flat
    country....(c;

    Geez, maybe we could sell it for use in the car in the DEAD
    ZONES!.....$20/month plus LD?.....



    Larry W4CSC

    "Very funny, Scotty! Now, BEAM ME MY CLOTHES! KIRK OUT!"




  14. #14
    JRW
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > We've toyed with the idea of a one-site (800') IMTS, just for fun.
    > He's got the infrastructure and a T1 on-site for the interconnect.
    > It'd be a helluva lot of fun to hear my car horn blowing for a call,
    > again. 800' would give us 50-60 mile range on 152 Mhz in this flat
    > country....(c;
    >
    > Geez, maybe we could sell it for use in the car in the DEAD
    > ZONES!.....$20/month plus LD?.....


    As the story goes, one of Jackie Gleason's friends calls Jackie from
    his new car phone to impress him. After a bit, Jackie excuses himself
    and says he has to answer his other car phone.

    Back in the mid 70s and early 80s, I had two Motorola trunk mounted
    units bolted to the back of the cab inside my pickup truck. Two control
    heads, four wheel drive shifter, and couple of more under dash mounted
    controls made for a crowded cab.

    With a 6dB gain yagi with an extender pole moounted on my headache rack,
    I could talk almost forever.





  15. #15
    JRW
    Guest

    Re: Analog Activation?!?

    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > We've toyed with the idea of a one-site (800') IMTS, just for fun.
    > He's got the infrastructure and a T1 on-site for the interconnect.
    > It'd be a helluva lot of fun to hear my car horn blowing for a call,
    > again. 800' would give us 50-60 mile range on 152 Mhz in this flat
    > country....(c;
    >
    > Geez, maybe we could sell it for use in the car in the DEAD
    > ZONES!.....$20/month plus LD?.....


    As the story goes, one of Jackie Gleason's friends calls Jackie from
    his new car phone to impress him. After a bit, Jackie excuses himself
    and says he has to answer his other car phone.

    Back in the mid 70s and early 80s, I had two Motorola trunk mounted
    units bolted to the back of the cab inside my pickup truck. Two control
    heads, four wheel drive shifter, and couple of more under dash mounted
    controls made for a crowded cab.

    With a 6dB gain yagi with an extender pole moounted on my headache rack,
    I could talk almost forever.





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