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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>

    Anyone in their 30s can remember when voicemail was as much of a
    novelty as push-button phones. But to younger folk, leaving a voice
    message is just passť.

    Progress has little respect for innovation or technology. From their
    position of near ubiquity, fax machines are on a long slow decline.
    Pagers are about to go the same way, with phone firm O2 due to turn
    off its paging system at the end of 2004.

    And voicemail could be next, not least because it is a technology
    that a generation is simply not using. Research by voicemail service
    firm Mobeon has revealed a huge age-related gap in who is prepared to
    put up with it.

    "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."

    The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    people have got used to.

    "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    where information is real time," he says.

    This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    find out who has been trying to contact them.

    [MORE]

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    Best regards,
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>



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  2. #2

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    I hate to listen voicemails
    rrrrrrrrr
    prefer SMSes

    Stan





  3. #3
    Brad
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    Lets see, in the time I can type one lousy sms message, I could leave 3
    voice mails, and not have a cramp in my fingers.

    More fiscal stupidity by the younger set.

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>
    >
    > Anyone in their 30s can remember when voicemail was as much of a
    > novelty as push-button phones. But to younger folk, leaving a voice
    > message is just passť.
    >
    > Progress has little respect for innovation or technology. From their
    > position of near ubiquity, fax machines are on a long slow decline.
    > Pagers are about to go the same way, with phone firm O2 due to turn
    > off its paging system at the end of 2004.
    >
    > And voicemail could be next, not least because it is a technology
    > that a generation is simply not using. Research by voicemail service
    > firm Mobeon has revealed a huge age-related gap in who is prepared to
    > put up with it.
    >
    > "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    > Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."
    >
    > The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    > people have got used to.
    >
    > "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    > where information is real time," he says.
    >
    > This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    > leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    > some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    > find out who has been trying to contact them.
    >
    > [MORE]
    >
    > --
    > Best regards,
    > John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>






  4. #4
    Alphageek
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>
    >
    > Anyone in their 30s can remember when voicemail was as much of a
    > novelty as push-button phones. But to younger folk, leaving a voice
    > message is just passť.
    >
    > Progress has little respect for innovation or technology. From their
    > position of near ubiquity, fax machines are on a long slow decline.
    > Pagers are about to go the same way, with phone firm O2 due to turn
    > off its paging system at the end of 2004.
    >
    > And voicemail could be next, not least because it is a technology
    > that a generation is simply not using. Research by voicemail service
    > firm Mobeon has revealed a huge age-related gap in who is prepared to
    > put up with it.
    >
    > "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    > Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."
    >
    > The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    > people have got used to.
    >
    > "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    > where information is real time," he says.
    >
    > This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    > leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    > some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    > find out who has been trying to contact them.
    >
    > [MORE]
    >
    > --
    > Best regards,
    > John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>


    I am not 13 years old, so I don't IM or SMS. Can't they keep voice mail
    running a little longer for us old farts in our 30s?





  5. #5
    John Navas
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    SMS:

    * tends to be less expensive and more efficient than voice
    * doesn't risk getting you involved in a long voice conversation
    * can get through when signal is too weak/flaky for voice
    * can be broadcast to more than one recipient
    * is received on the handset with full info, not just a flag
    * is less likely to garble content (e.g., numbers, words/*****ing)
    * leaves a record for the sender
    * actual delivery can be confirmed
    * can be locally saved on the handset and/or on the SIM
    * can be forwarded
    * can be copied to a computer or other device
    * can be moved on the SIM to another handset
    * doesn't disturb others when being sent, which can be a major consideration
    * is less intrusive when received, another important consideration
    * can be sent from a computer or from a web server
    * is interoperable with email (sending and receiving)
    * can be composed very quickly by those with experience
    * templates can be used in many cases, making it even faster
    * emoticons can be used to convey subtle meanings
    * can include multimedia content (e.g., icons, pictures)

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:24:53 -0600,
    "Brad" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Lets see, in the time I can type one lousy sms message, I could leave 3
    >voice mails, and not have a cramp in my fingers.
    >
    >More fiscal stupidity by the younger set.
    >
    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>


    >> [SNIP]


    >> "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    >> Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."
    >>
    >> The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    >> people have got used to.
    >>
    >> "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a world
    >> where information is real time," he says.
    >>
    >> This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    >> leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up at
    >> some point in the future or that makes them call another number to
    >> find out who has been trying to contact them.
    >>
    >> [MORE]


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    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  6. #6
    Cyrus Afzali
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:24:53 -0600, "Brad" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Lets see, in the time I can type one lousy sms message, I could leave 3
    >voice mails, and not have a cramp in my fingers.
    >
    >More fiscal stupidity by the younger set.


    It's not a matter of stupidity, it's a matter of preference. In the
    U.S., because GSM came relatively late to the party, people are still
    getting accustomed to SMS and its advantages. As with many kinds of
    new technologies, they will be embraced faster by younger individuals,
    but that doesn't mean they lack merit.

    There are many advantages to SMS to those that use it. For example,
    it's a great way to send non-urgent information to someone without
    disturbing them in the midst of whatever they might be doing. They are
    free to get to their SMS inbox whenever it's more convenient for them.
    And that's just one practical advantage it has.
    >
    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3971053.stm>
    >>
    >> Anyone in their 30s can remember when voicemail was as much of a
    >> novelty as push-button phones. But to younger folk, leaving a voice
    >> message is just passť.
    >>
    >> Progress has little respect for innovation or technology. From their
    >> position of near ubiquity, fax machines are on a long slow decline.
    >> Pagers are about to go the same way, with phone firm O2 due to turn
    >> off its paging system at the end of 2004.
    >>
    >> And voicemail could be next, not least because it is a technology
    >> that a generation is simply not using. Research by voicemail service
    >> firm Mobeon has revealed a huge age-related gap in who is prepared to
    >> put up with it.
    >>
    >> "Younger people do not use voicemail," says Anthony Beswick from
    >> Mobeon Labs. "They tend to SMS and IM each other."
    >>
    >> The reason for this is the changing types of communication that
    >> people have got used to.




  7. #7
    Joseph
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >And the people I know think phones are to talk on.


    That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    know are not representative of everyone on the planet!

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  8. #8
    IMHO
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >
    > That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    > know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
    >
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    >

    Your opinion. See below:

    "Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
    the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm





  9. #9
    John Navas
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:07:34 -0600,
    "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >>
    >> That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    >> know are not representative of everyone on the planet!


    >Your opinion. See below:
    >
    >"Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    >in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    >wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
    >the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    >http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm


    The chairman and chief executive of Nokia is objective?!

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    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  10. #10
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    IMHO wrote:
    > "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >
    >>On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >>
    >>That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    >>know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
    >>
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    >>

    >
    > Your opinion. See below:
    >
    > "Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    > in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    > wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
    > the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm


    Of course Jorma Ollila would say that; he runs the world's #1 handset
    manufacturer, which happens to be headquartered in a country where mobile phone
    penetration is ridiculously high.


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  11. #11
    IMHO
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <[email protected]> on Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:07:34 -0600,
    > "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]
    >>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
    >>>
    >>> That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    >>> know are not representative of everyone on the planet!

    >
    >>Your opinion. See below:
    >>
    >>"Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    >>in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    >>wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms
    >>of
    >>the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    >>http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm

    >
    > The chairman and chief executive of Nokia is objective?!
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    > John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>


    He might be a slightly more objective and informed than Joseph AKA
    [email protected]





  12. #12
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    IMHO wrote:

    >>Of course Jorma Ollila would say that; he runs the world's #1 handset
    >>manufacturer, which happens to be headquartered in a country where mobile
    >>phone penetration is ridiculously high.
    >>

    >
    > Then you agree with [email protected] that most cell users IM & SMS
    > rather than talk on a cell phone?


    You can't even infer that from what I just said. Nor can you infer it from what
    Joseph said. Nice try.

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  13. #13
    Joseph
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:07:34 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >>
    >> That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    >> know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
    >>
    >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >>

    >Your opinion. See below:
    >
    >"Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    >in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    >wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
    >the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    >http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm


    Lord know where that came from seeing as how there are literally
    millions of SMS sent every day in the UK alone. It still stands that
    what you may consider trivial and unimportant isn't necessarily the
    held view of everyone else. Believe it or not everything's not always
    about *you!*
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  14. #14
    Joseph
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 23:14:21 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> IMHO wrote:
    >>> "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]
    >>>
    >>>>On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>>>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
    >>>>
    >>>>That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    >>>>know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
    >>>>

    >
    >>> Your opinion. See below:
    >>>
    >>> "Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said
    >>> that, in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already
    >>> high, wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in
    >>> terms of the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article
    >>> follows:
    >>> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm

    >>
    >> Of course Jorma Ollila would say that; he runs the world's #1 handset
    >> manufacturer, which happens to be headquartered in a country where mobile
    >> phone penetration is ridiculously high.
    >>

    >Then you agree with [email protected] that most cell users IM & SMS
    >rather than talk on a cell phone?


    Do not twist what I said to suit your whim. I never said that most
    cell users IM & SMS rather than talk.

    It matters what the mobile phone culture is in particular countries to
    how much SMS/text messaging is used. In North America it hasn't
    really caught on likely because the cost to make a voice call is
    likely to be cheaper or as cheap as sending SMS. In Europe and many
    other countries especially on caller pays it's very pricey during the
    daytime hours to make calls either to other networks or to wireline
    phones. In that case it's cheaper to send an SMS rather than use
    voice. In case you hadn't noticed the whole world does not live in
    North America. The mobile phone culture is very different in North
    America than it is in Europe and Asia partially because of what people
    are used to (paying for each call) and the way calls are charged.
    It's always expensive for wireline phones to call mobiles and there is
    no way to dicker for the price you pay as that's determined by the
    tariff that is set so you have no way to bargain as you do with your
    outbound/inbound plans in North America.
    >


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    IMHO
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost


    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > IMHO wrote:
    >>
    >> Then you agree with [email protected] that most cell users IM & SMS
    >> rather than talk on a cell phone?

    >
    > You can't even infer that from what I just said. Nor can you infer it from
    > what Joseph said. Nice try.
    >


    I agree I can't infer that from what you said.

    But it seems like that's what Joseph was saying?

    On Monday, November 08, 2004 9:07 PM I Posted
    "Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    And the people I know think phones are to talk on."

    On Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:38 AM Joseph replied:
    "That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    know are not representative of everyone on the planet!"





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