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  1. #1
    Chris Cowles
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    But, in following a thread, one needs only read the top on each subsequent
    message, rather than scrolling to the bottom of a huge mess. Assuming the
    writer edits the original, I prefer top posts.

    "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]

    >>On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:04:33 -0800, "Richard Ness"
    >>There's nothing inherintly wrong with it

    >
    > Other than the fact that one has to read from the bottom up.






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  2. #2
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:44:10 -0500, "Chris Cowles" <[email protected]> said
    in alt.cellular:

    >But, in following a thread, one needs only read the top on each subsequent
    >message


    Assuming that I've been following this thread. I just got here from
    another thread in another NG.

    >rather than scrolling to the bottom of a huge mess.


    You consider a line and a half to be "a huge mess"?

    > Assuming the writer edits the original, I prefer top posts.


    And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
    for bottom posting ...

    This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
    posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
    consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    existence to be a newbie.)



  3. #3
    AJ
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    Al Klein wrote:
    (In this context I
    > consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    > existence to be a newbie.


    I supported a network of over 200 mainframes before DARPAnet
    was even a thought. I prefer top posting so I suppose that makes me a
    newbie and your credentials are???

    Jim



  4. #4
    Locutus
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    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    AJ <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Al Klein wrote:
    >(In this context I
    >> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    >> existence to be a newbie.

    >
    > I supported a network of over 200 mainframes before DARPAnet
    >was even a thought. I prefer top posting so I suppose that makes me a
    >newbie


    Yes, and of the worst kind: the "perma-newbie."




  5. #5
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 04:15:43 GMT, AJ <[email protected]> said in
    alt.cellular:

    >Al Klein wrote:
    >(In this context I
    >> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    >> existence to be a newbie.

    >
    > I supported a network of over 200 mainframes before DARPAnet
    >was even a thought. I prefer top posting so I suppose that makes me a
    >newbie


    Not in my eyes.



  6. #6
    John Richards
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    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
    > for bottom posting ...
    >
    > This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
    > posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
    > consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    > existence to be a newbie.)


    I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
    (which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
    top posting. Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
    computing standards.

    --
    John Richards



  7. #7
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    John Richards wrote:

    > I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
    > (which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
    > top posting. Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
    > computing standards.


    Right. They like to ignore an awful lot of those standards.



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  8. #8
    Carey Gregory
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    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    Folks,

    As much as I hate to join in on a troll-thread, I've got to say this....

    May I suggest the google archives? Or one of the dozens of Usenet FAQs that
    address this issue? Top vs. bottom posting is a subject that dates back to
    the early 1980s, and the long-accepted convention is bottom posting. Fact
    is, either one works as well as the other, but *only* if everyone follows
    the same convention. Consistency is important - top or bottom isn't - but
    like it or not, the accepted convention is bottom posting.

    Bottom posting is only annoying when the person replying ignores another
    convention, that convention being to quote only the minimum necessary to
    maintain context. Unfortunately, many people are lazy and they quote the
    whole damned thing, often not even bothering to trim the parts after the one
    short sentence they stuck in the middle of a huge quote.

    So, trim your quotes, bottom post, and everyone will be happy.




  9. #9
    Joseph
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:07:43 GMT, "John Richards"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
    >(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
    >top posting. Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
    >computing standards.


    I think you really meant Microsoft likes to make up their own
    "standards" as it fits them neve mind that RFCs have been around for
    years. Just because 95% of people are boors and don't know correct on
    line behaviours such as cleaning up after yourself rather than dumping
    does not make it right.

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -




  10. #10
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:07:43 GMT, "John Richards"
    <[email protected]> said in alt.cellular:

    >"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >> And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
    >> for bottom posting ...
    >>
    >> This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
    >> posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
    >> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    >> existence to be a newbie.)

    >
    >I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express


    Outlook express is a mail client. That they include the ability to
    (badly mis-) handle NNTP doesn't make anything in it a "news client".

    >(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
    >top posting.


    It defaults to having the cursor at the top when you're ready to type
    your response. Almost all newsreaders do this. Almost all people
    using them do NOT top post.

    > Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
    >computing standards.


    Microsoft is the largest heavyweight when it comes to violating
    standards. (Vendors don't set standards - standards committees and
    RFCs do.)



  11. #11
    Tee Box
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    So what committee set the standard that says you can't top post like I am.

    "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:07:43 GMT, "John Richards"
    > <[email protected]> said in alt.cellular:
    >
    >>"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]
    >>> And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
    >>> for bottom posting ...
    >>>
    >>> This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
    >>> posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
    >>> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    >>> existence to be a newbie.)

    >>
    >>I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express

    >
    > Outlook express is a mail client. That they include the ability to
    > (badly mis-) handle NNTP doesn't make anything in it a "news client".
    >
    >>(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
    >>top posting.

    >
    > It defaults to having the cursor at the top when you're ready to type
    > your response. Almost all newsreaders do this. Almost all people
    > using them do NOT top post.
    >
    >> Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
    >>computing standards.

    >
    > Microsoft is the largest heavyweight when it comes to violating
    > standards. (Vendors don't set standards - standards committees and
    > RFCs do.)






  12. #12
    W4PHM
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    Well I guess I started all of this by starting a post about
    cell phone RF interference in hospitals and began by
    saying, "sorry to top post but I don't want to dig through
    all of this to make a small point"

    Well, I am no newbie, I was on the usenet when win3.0
    came out and still use win98 build II because I love DOS
    and hate to have to have windows runnning in the backround
    whenever I want to do something in DOS, so I am far from
    a newbie...... I am just not a purist to archaine rules.

    Thanks,


    --
    Patrick H. Mason M.S. OHST, EMT-I
    Certified Safety Engineer
    AHA BCLS Instructor, ACLS Instructor Candidate


    "Tee Box" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]
    > So what committee set the standard that says you can't top post like I am.
    >
    > "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 05:07:43 GMT, "John Richards"
    > > <[email protected]> said in alt.cellular:
    > >
    > >>"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>news:[email protected]
    > >>> And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
    > >>> for bottom posting ...
    > >>>
    > >>> This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
    > >>> posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
    > >>> consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    > >>> existence to be a newbie.)
    > >>
    > >>I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express

    > >
    > > Outlook express is a mail client. That they include the ability to
    > > (badly mis-) handle NNTP doesn't make anything in it a "news client".
    > >
    > >>(which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
    > >>top posting.

    > >
    > > It defaults to having the cursor at the top when you're ready to type
    > > your response. Almost all newsreaders do this. Almost all people
    > > using them do NOT top post.
    > >
    > >> Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
    > >>computing standards.

    > >
    > > Microsoft is the largest heavyweight when it comes to violating
    > > standards. (Vendors don't set standards - standards committees and
    > > RFCs do.)

    >
    >






  13. #13
    Notan
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    Tee Box wrote:
    >
    > So what committee set the standard that says you can't top post like I am.


    Have a look at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html.

    Notan



  14. #14
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)


    "John Richards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:[email protected]
    > > And, since the majority of netizens, and the nettiquete rules, call
    > > for bottom posting ...
    > >
    > > This isn't a new discussion. A few newbies always claim to prefer top
    > > posting, and it's been this way for a few decades. (In this context I
    > > consider anyone who found usenet after the internet came into
    > > existence to be a newbie.)

    >
    > I presume you're aware that the news client in Outlook Express
    > (which comes installed on 95% of all personal computers) defaults to
    > top posting. Microsoft is not exactly a lightweight when it comes to
    > computing standards.



    Great- yet another top-posting thread. The amusing thing about this last
    post- the author points to Microsoft and computing standards (which he
    sounds like he would follow). But when presented with the actual standard
    for Usenet, the philosophy becomes, "I'm too good (or too lazy) to do that."
    Shouldn't have tried to justify your top-posting- it makes you look a little
    less intelligent.

    BTW- care to share any instance where Micro$oft instituted standards for
    Internet etiquette?





  15. #15
    Tee Box
    Guest

    Re: Top posting (Was: cell phone use in hospitals)

    The following is a direct quote from the first paragraph of your reference
    which is a bit dated. So I ask again, what set the standard??

    "Status of This Memo

    This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo
    does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of
    this memo is unlimited."


    "Notan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Tee Box wrote:
    >>
    >> So what committee set the standard that says you can't top post like I
    >> am.

    >
    > Have a look at http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html.
    >
    > Notan






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