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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>

    WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
    take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
    firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
    replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
    services.

    WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
    around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
    download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
    provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
    fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
    that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
    require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
    function - WiMAX does not.

    TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
    of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
    cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
    report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
    high-speed broadband services.

    [MORE]

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  2. #2
    Eric Rosenberry
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    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.

    Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
    nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the assets
    and experience for such an undertaking?

    It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy WiMAX
    are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF engineers, and
    wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever comes to pass it will be
    just another technology that cell phone providers leverage (like 1xRTT or
    EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).

    Thoughts?

    -Eric

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
    >
    > WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
    > take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
    > firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
    > replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
    > services.
    >
    > WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
    > around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
    > download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
    > provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
    > fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
    > that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
    > require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
    > function - WiMAX does not.
    >
    > TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
    > of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
    > cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
    > report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
    > high-speed broadband services.
    >
    > [MORE]
    >
    > --
    > Best regards,
    > John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
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  3. #3
    John Navas
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    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 00:10:46 -0800,
    "Eric Rosenberry" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.


    Breaks the copper/coax duopoly.

    >Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
    >nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the assets
    >and experience for such an undertaking?


    AOL. Independent ISPs.

    >It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy WiMAX
    >are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF engineers, and
    >wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever comes to pass it will be
    >just another technology that cell phone providers leverage (like 1xRTT or
    >EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
    >
    >Thoughts?


    Think ISP, not cellular.

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
    >>
    >> WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
    >> take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
    >> firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
    >> replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
    >> services.
    >>
    >> WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
    >> around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
    >> download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
    >> provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
    >> fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
    >> that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
    >> require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
    >> function - WiMAX does not.
    >>
    >> TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
    >> of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
    >> cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
    >> report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
    >> high-speed broadband services.
    >>
    >> [MORE]
    >>
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    >> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
    >> CABLE MODEM/DSL GUIDE: <http://Cable-DSL.home.att.net/>

    >


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  4. #4
    Peter Pan
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    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    Hate to tell you oh negative one, but WiMax is LIVE/In Use/Available in the
    area I live and work in *NOW* *TODAY* *THIS SECOND* *A LOCAL CALL to START
    AN ACCOUNT and use it minutes later*. Went live a few weeks ago in the
    Spokane Washingtoin Area (in town and about 20 miles outside of it). Doesn't
    use cell stuff at all. How do I know? I work for a computer and cell phone
    sales/repair place in Rathdrum Idaho (about 14 miles NW of Spokane).

    Unfortunately we sell it, so I can't say who we are or some idiot will
    accuse me of spamming for finacial gain....

    But if you are curios, check out the WiMax org at http://www.wimaxforum.org


    Eric Rosenberry wrote:
    > I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.
    >
    > Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
    > nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the
    > assets and experience for such an undertaking?
    >
    > It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy
    > WiMAX are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF
    > engineers, and wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever
    > comes to pass it will be just another technology that cell phone
    > providers leverage (like 1xRTT or EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
    >
    > Thoughts?
    >
    > -Eric
    >






  5. #5
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > [MORE]
    >


    One thing not listed and one thing that will limit its expansion is the
    high latency. Online gaming or interactive sessions could be quite
    painful.

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  6. #6
    Trey
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    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
    > In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >>
    >> [MORE]
    >>

    >
    > One thing not listed and one thing that will limit its expansion is
    > the high latency. Online gaming or interactive sessions could be
    > quite painful.


    Do you have any ping times to show this? Just how bad is the Latency? Im
    sure this would be a temporary issue... I smell VoIP phones!





  7. #7
    Trey
    Guest

    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    Eric Rosenberry wrote:
    > I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.
    >
    > Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
    > nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the
    > assets and experience for such an undertaking?
    >
    > It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy
    > WiMAX are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF
    > engineers, and wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever
    > comes to pass it will be just another technology that cell phone
    > providers leverage (like 1xRTT or EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
    >
    > Thoughts?
    >
    > -Eric


    Some cities are deploying this technology. Mainly for better data
    communication in the cars and trucks, Utilities trucks, police cars, and
    fire trucks. They all have mobile data terminals with hellishly slow data.





  8. #8
    John Navas
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    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on 14 Dec 2004 13:49:06
    GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> [MORE]

    >
    >One thing not listed and one thing that will limit its expansion is the
    >high latency. Online gaming or interactive sessions could be quite
    >painful.


    Unlike 3G, WiMAX (802.16) is designed for relatively low latency, which should
    be acceptable for VoIP, interactive sessions, and even gaming.

    Latency is even lower with FLASH-OFDM technology from Flarion Technologies
    (802.20), on the order of 35-50 ms, currently in field trial by Nextel.

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  9. #9
    John Navas
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    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:51:03 GMT,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    ><http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
    >
    > WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
    > take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
    > firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
    > replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
    > services.
    >
    > WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
    > around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
    > download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
    > provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
    > fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
    > that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
    > require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
    > function - WiMAX does not.
    >
    > TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
    > of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
    > cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
    > report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
    > high-speed broadband services.
    >
    > [MORE]


    See also "WISPs blaze trail for WiMAX"
    <http://www.theregister.com/2004/11/1...ail_for_wimax/>

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  10. #10
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    In alt.cellular.sprintpcs John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > See also "WISPs blaze trail for WiMAX"
    > <http://www.theregister.com/2004/11/1...ail_for_wimax/>
    >


    I also see an issue with basing a business on unlicensed spectrum.
    Anybody else is free to try and use that use that same spectrum for
    anything else. Many cordless phones [including mine] run on 5.8GHz
    bands. Anybody is free to build a transmitter in their back yard which
    can cause jamming for a specified distance. There are all sorts of
    troubles that can occur which the customer has no recompensation to
    seek.

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  11. #11
    John Navas
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    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on 14 Dec 2004 18:30:53
    GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Trey <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> Do you have any ping times to show this? Just how bad is the Latency? Im
    >> sure this would be a temporary issue... I smell VoIP phones!

    >
    >There is no way to decrease latency as it takes a finite amount of time
    >for the radio signal to travel through the air. The further from the
    >WiMax base station that you are, the higher the latency will be.


    True, but the same is true of wireline; i.e., it's not significant.

    >The
    >biggest opportunity to lower latency will be in the
    >modulation/demodulation of the signal.


    It's more complicated than that -- wireless latency is affected by congestion,
    collisions, error correction, interleaving, number of hops, etc. The usual
    tradeoff is between robustness and latency, as reflected in WiMAX modes of
    operation -- more robust transmission has more latency, and vice versa.

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  12. #12
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    John Navas wrote:
    > 18:30:53 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> There is no way to decrease latency as it takes a finite amount of
    >> time for the radio signal to travel through the air. The further
    >> from the WiMax base station that you are, the higher the latency
    >> will be.

    >
    > True, but the same is true of wireline; i.e., it's not significant.


    What is the difference in terms of percent? Say for 30 miles
    of wire or optics and 30 miles of RF?





  13. #13
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:55:14 -0800,
    "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >> 18:30:53 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> There is no way to decrease latency as it takes a finite amount of
    >>> time for the radio signal to travel through the air. The further
    >>> from the WiMax base station that you are, the higher the latency
    >>> will be.

    >>
    >> True, but the same is true of wireline; i.e., it's not significant.

    >
    >What is the difference in terms of percent? Say for 30 miles
    >of wire or optics and 30 miles of RF?


    Speed of radio propagation through the air is actually significantly faster
    than propagation over a wire, on the order of 1/3 faster (depending on the
    type of wire). Regardless, it's not a significant factor in latency, since
    we're talking much less than one ms to travel 30 miles in either case.

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  14. #14
    Mark Olson
    Guest

    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    In alt.cellular.verizon Thomas T. Veldhouse <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Trey <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> Do you have any ping times to show this? Just how bad is the Latency? Im
    >> sure this would be a temporary issue... I smell VoIP phones!
    >>

    >
    > There is no way to decrease latency as it takes a finite amount of time
    > for the radio signal to travel through the air. The further from the
    > WiMax base station that you are, the higher the latency will be. The
    > biggest opportunity to lower latency will be in the
    > modulation/demodulation of the signal.


    Figure out how many milliseconds it takes for light to travel 10 miles.

    Compared to sources of latency from the other layers, this is about the
    smallest contributor there is.




  15. #15
    Prilosec
    Guest

    Re: "WiMAX to steal 3G and DSL market share"

    From what I've read, WiMax will transmit something like 30 miles from one
    tower site in all directions. To get pretty good internet broadband coverage
    over a pretty wide area, I think WiMax is probably a huge savings over other
    methods. I am looking forward to more than one choice in broadband in my
    area, to tell you the truth.
    "Eric Rosenberry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >I don't get the whole hype behind WiMAX.
    >
    > Well great, it is based on some new signaling technique that is really
    > nifty... Now who is going to deploy it? What organizations have the
    > assets and experience for such an undertaking?
    >
    > It is obvious to me that the companies that are best able to deploy WiMAX
    > are going to be the ones that already have towers, RF engineers, and
    > wireless experience... I think that if WiMAX ever comes to pass it will
    > be just another technology that cell phone providers leverage (like 1xRTT
    > or EVDO or GPRS or EDGE).
    >
    > Thoughts?
    >
    > -Eric
    >
    > "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._market_share/>
    >>
    >> WiMAX and other new high-speed wireless technologies are likely to
    >> take market share from 3G as well as DSL. In a white paper research
    >> firm TelecomView says that WiMax will supplement and in some cases
    >> replace 3G, DSL and other wireline technologies to provide broadband
    >> services.
    >>
    >> WiMAX offers high-speed wireless data connections over a range of
    >> around 30 miles. The technology features both increased range and
    >> download speeds compared to WiFi (802.11x), which is intended to
    >> provide coverage over small areas. Along with WiFi, other
    >> fixed-wireless broadband systems currently exist, including hardware
    >> that can deliver services over several miles. But many of these also
    >> require "line of sight" between a transmitter and receiver to
    >> function - WiMAX does not.
    >>
    >> TelecomView estimates that WiMAX will capture more than 40 per cent
    >> of the wireless broadband market, leaving 3G with less than 60 per
    >> cent in 2009. In addition to stealing market share from 3G, the
    >> report suggests that WiMax will also be a threat to fixed-line
    >> high-speed broadband services.
    >>
    >> [MORE]
    >>
    >> --
    >> Best regards,
    >> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
    >> CABLE MODEM/DSL GUIDE: <http://Cable-DSL.home.att.net/>

    >
    >






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