Sprint Nextel merger is a bad thing for Nextel Staff

Jack Zwick wrote:
>>I've heard this said before, but can't confirm it.
>
>
> Then you must be unique. It's over a year old story:

Unique? I've been called worse. Thank you for the link. I don't recall seeing
this; obviously I wasn't looking closely enough.

> <http://news.com.com/Sprint+crafts+ov...n/2100-1033_3-
> 5061630.html?tag=bplst>
>
> Call for support and see if you're talking to Pradeep.
>
> Sprint has its WLNP help in the Phillipines.


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In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Fester <[email protected]> wrote:
> SO does DELL PC Sprint is one of the worst place to be a CS Rep

DELL gave up on that venture long ago. They found the quality lacking
.... reportedly.

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> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs Fester <[email protected]> wrote:
> > SO does DELL PC Sprint is one of the worst place to be a CS Rep
>
> DELL gave up on that venture long ago. They found the quality lacking
> ... reportedly.

DELL outsources extensively. They only brought some of it back for the high
profile customers who complained and then spinned it to make it sound like
all support was here.




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In article=20
<[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> In message <[email protected]> "John
> Richards" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> >>> And did their "job hunt training" help you find a better job... and b=
y
> >>> better, I mean more that a job working at a kiosk in the mall for
> >>> T-MOBILE?
> >>
> >> How does System Administrator sound?
> >
> >How much of that was due to being in the right place at the right
> >time as opposed to being due to the job hunt training?
> >I was laid of by a large ISP three years ago and also received
> >job hunt training, but it didn't do a bit of good. There were
> >no tech job openings within my commute area, and I couldn't
> >move away or my wife would have lost a good job.
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> How much did "right place at the right time" only happen due to
> training?
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Same question I was going to ask. Sprint can't create a=20
job market that isn't there. But they took the time to=20
help me find something. Whether spectacular or not, I=20
think that is, at least, noteworthy.

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Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
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In article <1102874679.293393.23880
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,=20
[email protected] says...
> Check out http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=3DFON. Click on Key Statistics
> and you will see Sprint's profit margin is -4.51% wherease Nextel's
> profit is 24.41% (see key statistics at
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=3DNXTL for more detail.)
>=20

Apples and orangutans. You're comparing a combined=20
wireline and wireless company with a purely wireless one.

SPCS division made a profit in 3Q04.

http://www.sprint.com/sprint/ir/fn/qe/3q04.pdf

Fourth page of that release.
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but moderation in principle is always a vice.**
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In article <6Hjvd.32142$Rf1.20589
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>, John Richardsjr70
@blackhole.invalid says...
> I wouldn't be so smug, if I were you.
> Sometimes one does everything right, and chooses all the right
> responses, yet circumstances cause one to be unsuccessful.
> Gloating over less fortunate individuals is not appropriate.
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It's got nothing to do with gloating. It's got to do with=20
attitude towards one's own future. If you fret over things=20
you cannot control, you'll drive yourself nuts.

What I *can* control is my self-assurance and willingness=20
to do what it takes. Donald trump went from billions to=20
bankrupt over things he couldn't really control, but it was=20
his attitude about what he *could* control that put him=20
back in the billions.

I'm no Donald Trump, but that doesn't mean I couldn't do=20
proportionate same were the need to arise.

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but moderation in principle is always a vice.**
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In article <jzwick3-20A13E.08102313122004
@news1.west.earthlink.net>, Jack Zwickjzwick3
@mindspring.com says...
> Sprint has its WLNP help in the Phillipines.
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Not entirely true. Sprint has WLNP support in multiple=20
locations, including within the USA.

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but moderation in principle is always a vice.**
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In message <[email protected]> O/Siris
<0sīrīs@sprīntpcs.cōm> wrote:

>Same question I was going to ask. Sprint can't create a
>job market that isn't there. But they took the time to
>help me find something. Whether spectacular or not, I
>think that is, at least, noteworthy.

Agreed, many/most companies will either try to get their last two weeks
of work out of you or just release you immediately (And pay you out or
not, depending on applicable law), not many bother to try to help.


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[email protected] wrote:
> And did their "job hunt training" help you find a better job... and by
> better, I mean more that a job working at a kiosk in the mall for
> T-MOBILE?

Actually, O/Siris is doing rather well for himself, from what I heard
about his new job. And no, it's not at a T-mobile kiosk.

See, you usually end up at the job that you're qualified for. If you
end up at a kiosk on commission, selling disposable phones to teens who
can't pay their bills, then that's because your skill set isn't quite up
to par. Are you afraid your skill set isn't gonna pass muster with the
new company?



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[email protected] wrote:
> Steven,
>
> If you would like more detail, feel free to e-mail me at
> [email protected]
>
> I would be glad to share some "war stories" with you in regard to
> Sprint's management style.

Why not post them here? Are your stories not credible? Are you afraid
that your falsities are going to be called out on by current and former
Sprint employees who are actually competent and have no axe to grind?



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John Richards wrote:

>>> And did their "job hunt training" help you find a better job... and by
>>> better, I mean more that a job working at a kiosk in the mall for
>>> T-MOBILE?
>>
>>
>> How does System Administrator sound?
>
>
> How much of that was due to being in the right place at the right
> time as opposed to being due to the job hunt training?

So I guess no one can ever get a good job from a RIF without it being
poohed-poohed somehow, huh?

> I was laid of by a large ISP three years ago and also received
> job hunt training, but it didn't do a bit of good.

Job hunt training can't help someone if they simply aren't an attractive
hire. I've seen RIF's before and have always bounced back quickly in
good economies and bad ones (including one of the worst time, 30 days
after 9/11). It all depends on how valuable your skills are and how
willing you are to let people know about them.

If you're truly qualified, you get something in good time. If not,
don't blame the company who laid you off. Perhaps your time could be
better spent brushing up your skills rather than smearing your former
employer in usenet. Generally, such smearing activities ruin your
chances in the job market anyway (if you smear your former employer,
who's to say you won't smear a future one, too?).

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Enrique wrote:
> Let the facts speak for themselves....
>
> Sprint has the highest customer turnover in the industry. Nextel has
> the lowest.

Really? Care to cite your source?

No? Well, I'll do it for you then.

Cingular, in fact, has the worst churn rate in the industry, at 3.5%.
(source: networkmagazine.com)

Sprint's churn rate is 2.7% (Source: Sprint Q3 report, 2004)

> Check out http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=FON. Click on Key Statistics
> and you will see Sprint's profit margin is -4.51%

Which doesn't break down between wireless and wireline customers. When
you do a breakdown comparison, the wireless is actually in better shape.

But hey, it's pointless to argue with a troll.

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John Richards wrote:

>> If you choose to feel helpless, you have that right. I choose
>> otherwise.
>
>
> I wouldn't be so smug, if I were you.
> Sometimes one does everything right, and chooses all the right
> responses, yet circumstances cause one to be unsuccessful.
> Gloating over less fortunate individuals is not appropriate.

It's not gloating, I'm afraid. You view it that way because you are
quick to blame other people for your problems and see fault in other
people being successful when you are not, instead of finding ways to be
successful yourself.



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"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> John Richards wrote:
>
>>> How does System Administrator sound?
>>
>>
>> How much of that was due to being in the right place at the right
>> time as opposed to being due to the job hunt training?
>
> So I guess no one can ever get a good job from a RIF without it being
> poohed-poohed somehow, huh?

How are you managing to wring that viewpoint from what I wrote above?
I readily admit that job hunt training can be successful, especially
when companies in that area are hiring.

>> I was laid of by a large ISP three years ago and also received
>> job hunt training, but it didn't do a bit of good.
>
> Job hunt training can't help someone if they simply aren't an attractive
> hire. I've seen RIF's before and have always bounced back quickly in
> good economies and bad ones (including one of the worst time, 30 days
> after 9/11). It all depends on how valuable your skills are and how
> willing you are to let people know about them.

In spite of your Pollyanna attitude, the fact remains that three years ago,
no company in the northern Bay area had any tech support openings.


> If you're truly qualified, you get something in good time. If not,
> don't blame the company who laid you off. Perhaps your time could be
> better spent brushing up your skills rather than smearing your former
> employer in usenet. Generally, such smearing activities ruin your
> chances in the job market anyway (if you smear your former employer,
> who's to say you won't smear a future one, too?).

I have never smeared my former employer. It wasn't their fault that
business was so bad that they had to close the local call center where
I worked. They gave me a fat severance check and even offered to
transfer me to a call center in Utah.

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I dont think this merger will be good. I just heard a lot people will
be laid off

How can that be good? To top it off, there is NO real push to talk
except IDEN. This will mean that Sprint/Nextel will have run dual
networks for a long time.

Chip

[email protected] wrote:
> If it's regarding customer service people they are disposable to cellular
> companies. My 15 years of using a cellular service I haven't once talked to
> a competent customer service rep who knew what they were selling and
> supporting. Who cares...they'll just be hired by Verizon or Cingular and
> continue to answer questions wrong and make it terribly hard for customers
> to get any satisfaction. That's just the way some people are and the company
> lets it happen.
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>It's too bad that Sprint appears to be taking a majority share in
>>regard to the merger. They are trying to make this look like a 50-50
>>merger, but anyone familiar with business knows that this is just smoke
>>and mirrors, and that Sprint is really just buying Nextel's customers
>>and bandwidth.
>>
>>The real loser will be the Nextel employees. Nextel is an outstanding
>>corporation, which has often ranked high on the "best companies to work
>>for" surveys. Sprint has always been in chaos, and will lay off
>>thousands without a moment's notice. Perhaps this is why they are third
>>in the industry. Hopefully better companies like Cingular and Verizon
>>will begin hiring soon so that the Nextel employees that Sprint WILL
>>lay off will be able to find employment.
>>
>>It's really sad to see a good company be acquired by a bad one.
>>
>>Gerald
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