Reality of the Nextel Sprint Merger

I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell Site
Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
tolerances.

"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> The reason that Nextel interferes with public service radios is because
>> the public service radios have poor image rejection. This is not the
>> fault of Nextel equipment. It is the fault of the bargain public service
>> radios that have poor image rejection.
>
> Mij, if you had any idea how much Emergency services radios cost and the
> tolerances and specs they are designed to, you'd be eating your words.
>
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But are emergency radios picking up interference from Nextel's cell site
transmitters or from individual customer's handsets?
Either way, the transmitting equipment has to be FCC approved
before it can be sold.

--
John Richards


Mij Adyaw wrote:
> I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell Site
> Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
> tolerances.
>
> "Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>>> The reason that Nextel interferes with public service radios is because
>>> the public service radios have poor image rejection. This is not the
>>> fault of Nextel equipment. It is the fault of the bargain public service
>>> radios that have poor image rejection.
>>
>> Mij, if you had any idea how much Emergency services radios cost and the
>> tolerances and specs they are designed to, you'd be eating your words.

Mij Adyaw wrote:
> I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell Site
> Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
> tolerances.

Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual
buyouts from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better
maintained than others.



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Are they not FCC approved? If the transmitters are FCC approved and the
Public Service Radios are FCC approved and the frequencies are allocated by
the FCC so that there will be no interference, then where is the problem?

Are the Nextel transmitters not compliant with FCC tolerances?



"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell Site
>> Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
>> tolerances.
>
> Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
> transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual buyouts
> from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better maintained than
> others.
>
>
>
> --
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> Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

Do the Nextel transmitters meet FCC requirements? If they meet FCC
requirements and the FCC assigned the frequencies to Nextel and also to the
public services that are experiencing the problem, then the problem should
be owned by the FCC. On the other hand, if the Nextel transmitters do not
meet FCC requirements, then they should be shut down by the FCC.

-mij

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> On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:15:38 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>The reason that Nextel interferes with public service radios is because
>>the
>>public service radios have poor image rejection. This is not the fault of
>>Nextel equipment. It is the fault of the bargain public service radios
>>that
>>have poor image rejection.
>
> Why is it Nexhell is the only one interfering AND SoutherLinc uses the
> SAME iDEN
> system!
>
> Its Nexhell's SYSTEM & PRACTICES.
>
> To say " fault of the bargain public service radios that have poor image
> rejection." Well Motorola MAKES Nexhells equipment AND A MAJORITY of the
> PS
> equipment and it is certainly not bargain basement equipment.
>
> The fact is the iDEN TDMA system takes up nearly all the 25Khz space for
> each
> channel and if your on either end of a nexhell channel or have them on
> both
> sides of your system your screwed.
>
> Nexhell when pushed can CLEAN ITS CRAP SYSTEM UP, but ONLY IF IT WANTS to.
> Now
> the pollution will be combined into one area and with 2MHz of "gutter" to
> collect the sewage from this system. Guess who will be complaining next
> and have
> problems, A/B side cell carriers since Nexhell will now but up against
> them.
>
> SL has the same system covers a good bit of the SE in AL, GA, MS,
> Panhandle FL
> with their system and takes action on any issues, and if you review the
> APCO
> Project 39 database FEW complaints were about SL sites, and if they were,
> they
> were dealt with.
>
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"Batman????" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Aren't they being forced off of 800Meg and most likely would
> also make the switch then? The move to 1900Mhs is not
> a question if if - it's when

No they are not "being forced off of 800Meg.

"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell Site
>> Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
>> tolerances.
>
> Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
> transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual buyouts
> from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better maintained than
> others.
>

Having been in the 2-way radio industry for over 30 years, I can speak with
s fair amount of authority. The problem is basically two fold: First, the
public safety radios were not designed work in close proximity to the high
power cell sites of Nextel. Motorola has admitted this and has said they
could manufacture radios that would eliminate most if not all of the
interference. The second reason is that the FCC, in their great wisdom,
intermingled the Public Safety and Private Radio Service channels. In their
defense they probably never envisioned the Specialized Mobile Radio Service
(SMR) systems being allowed to operate on "low" sites - they were originally
higher power sites located on towers, mountains and tall buildings and
spaced 30 - 7- miles apart. You didn't have a 4 watt portable trying to
work 100 yards away form a 100' tower with 10 - 20 transmitters going at
once.

"brutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message > "Isaiah Beard"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > Mij Adyaw wrote:
> >> I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell
Site
> >> Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
> >> tolerances.
> >
> > Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
> > transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual
buyouts
> > from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better maintained than
> > others.
> >
>
> Having been in the 2-way radio industry for over 30 years, I can speak
with
> s fair amount of authority. The problem is basically two fold: First,
the
> public safety radios were not designed work in close proximity to the high
> power cell sites of Nextel. Motorola has admitted this and has said they
> could manufacture radios that would eliminate most if not all of the
> interference. The second reason is that the FCC, in their great wisdom,
> intermingled the Public Safety and Private Radio Service channels. In
their
> defense they probably never envisioned the Specialized Mobile Radio
Service
> (SMR) systems being allowed to operate on "low" sites - they were
originally
> higher power sites located on towers, mountains and tall buildings and
> spaced 30 - 7- miles apart. You didn't have a 4 watt portable trying to
> work 100 yards away form a 100' tower with 10 - 20 transmitters going at
> once.
>
sorry for bottom posting;bad habit.

Above is pretty much the jist of Motorola told us at a meeting last year
after a FCC decision was made.Motorola two way Dealer here.Luckily we do not
have much Public Safety on 800mhz here.Seems mostly the problems have in
CO,MI,FL,CA,NM and not so much NE States.

WKR

Albany,NY

Wow, so your saying that all these nice and shiny, brand-new boxes of radios that I have been installing are all buyouts from older SMR companies? I beg to differ. The majority of our "Older" equipment is gone, replaced by the beautiful "Quad BR." I think your information is a bit wrong.

Originally Posted by Isaiah Beard

Mij Adyaw wrote:
> I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell Site
> Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
> tolerances.

Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual
buyouts from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better
maintained than others.



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Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
>> transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual
>> buyouts from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better
>> maintained than others.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But damn your funny, a
good B.S line....sounds convincing if not for the people who actually know
the truth.

The BR's that are used in a Nextel site are iden BR's. any old 800 MHz. BR
will not work. There are two types of BR's that Motorola makes/made to work
on the iden system...1 a legacy BR on what is better known as a single "to
the ones in here that actually work in Engineering and Operations and not
those who I about die laughing at because they pretend to be something other
than a wanna-be know it all Dumbass" But the Single has 3 receivers in it.
Which Motorola are not longer making these. Then there is the newest BR's
which we call a Quad. It has 4 receivers. Now boys and girls let's give
Isaiah Beard a lesson in why iDEN is not like a regular SMR 800 company. 1
a "old" SMR 800 radio consist of BR and a AMP or better know as a
Transmitter. Which 1 BR is capable of handling one conversation. iDEN is
more complex it requires a T1 to goto the MSO and you can set up either 3:1,
6:1, and a "12:1 and a 24:1, which are not being used because of timing
issues on the site" But what the interleave or 3:1 or 6:1 means is....for
every talk channel on a BR it can run either 3 or 6 conversations at one
time on that channel. Well there is enough to prove why Nextel has to buy
new BR's.
We could have gone much deeper into iDEN operations such as timing issues,
etc. But if you did not know the simple stuff, you sure would not be able to
understand the complex operation of a BR or a site in processing a call.


"Slim26" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Wow, so your saying that all these nice and shiny, brand-new boxes of
> radios that I have been installing are all buyouts from older SMR
> companies? I beg to differ. The majority of our "Older" equipment is
> gone, replaced by the beautiful "Quad BR." I think your information is
> a bit wrong.
>
>
> Isaiah Beard Wrote:
>> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> > I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell
>> Site
>> > Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
>> > tolerances.
>>
>> Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
>> transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual
>> buyouts from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better
>> maintained than others.
>>
>>
>>
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Hey Slim

I got a question for you................................ Putting a Quad in
slot 6 of the rack is such a joy isn't it. Or do you cheat if there is
another rack available and put the Quad there and just run jumpers to keep
from having to lift 90lbs that high.

"Thomas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
>>> transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual
>>> buyouts from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better
>>> maintained than others.
>
> WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But damn your funny, a
> good B.S line....sounds convincing if not for the people who actually know
> the truth.
>
> The BR's that are used in a Nextel site are iden BR's. any old 800 MHz. BR
> will not work. There are two types of BR's that Motorola makes/made to
> work on the iden system...1 a legacy BR on what is better known as a
> single "to the ones in here that actually work in Engineering and
> Operations and not those who I about die laughing at because they pretend
> to be something other than a wanna-be know it all Dumbass" But the Single
> has 3 receivers in it. Which Motorola are not longer making these. Then
> there is the newest BR's which we call a Quad. It has 4 receivers. Now
> boys and girls let's give Isaiah Beard a lesson in why iDEN is not like a
> regular SMR 800 company. 1 a "old" SMR 800 radio consist of BR and a AMP
> or better know as a Transmitter. Which 1 BR is capable of handling one
> conversation. iDEN is more complex it requires a T1 to goto the MSO and
> you can set up either 3:1, 6:1, and a "12:1 and a 24:1, which are not
> being used because of timing issues on the site" But what the interleave
> or 3:1 or 6:1 means is....for every talk channel on a BR it can run either
> 3 or 6 conversations at one time on that channel. Well there is enough
> to prove why Nextel has to buy new BR's.
> We could have gone much deeper into iDEN operations such as timing issues,
> etc. But if you did not know the simple stuff, you sure would not be able
> to understand the complex operation of a BR or a site in processing a
> call.
>
>
> "Slim26" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Wow, so your saying that all these nice and shiny, brand-new boxes of
>> radios that I have been installing are all buyouts from older SMR
>> companies? I beg to differ. The majority of our "Older" equipment is
>> gone, replaced by the beautiful "Quad BR." I think your information is
>> a bit wrong.
>>
>>
>> Isaiah Beard Wrote:
>>> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>>> > I am sure that emergency radios cost much less than the Nextel Cell
>>> Site
>>> > Transmitters and that the transmitters are designed to very tight
>>> > tolerances.
>>>
>>> Sadly Mij, you are still wrong. A good majority of Nextel's cell site
>>> transmitters, particularly those in major metro areas, are actual
>>> buyouts from older analog SMR companies. Some have been better
>>> maintained than others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.
>>
>>
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