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  1. #1
    On Mar 5, 1:24*pm, "Graciel Contreras" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > I found a software to unlock the V3, you can also add video to it. Take a
    > look at it......
    >
    > www.freewebs.com/graco14
    >
    > GC


    Go here : idensolutions.com

    Verified Paypal member with lots of successful transactions.



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  2. #2
    Craig
    Guest

    Re: V3

    [email protected] wrote:
    > On Mar 5, 1:24 pm, "Graciel Contreras" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> I found a software to unlock the V3, you can also add video to it. Take a
    >> look at it......
    >>
    >> www.freewebs.com/graco14
    >>
    >> GC

    >
    > Go here : idensolutions.com
    >
    > Verified Paypal member with lots of successful transactions.


    [for U.S. cell phone owners only]

    It costs nothing to unlock your cell phone, other than the call itself
    to your carrier. They are obliged to provide you with any instructions
    and/or code necessary to unlock your phone.

    Our carrier is ATT/Cingular. I've done this on 4 phones since November
    2006. The first time, the representative balked. I had to talk to a
    supervisor who agreed. Since then, any rep I've spoken to has been able
    & willing. They either mailed the info needed w/in a few days or talked
    me through it immediately on the phone. The phones I've unlocked this
    way are made by Nokia, Motorola & Samsung.

    If you're interested, I've posted a linky to the source documentation
    below. If your carrier still refuses, the USCO & your federal Rep would
    love to hear about it. In fact, I'd be very interested to hear if a
    carrier /denied/ its customer a request to unlock in the past year or two.

    -Craig

    ============

    On November 17 2006, the US Copyright Office issued a so-called
    "Recommendation" regarding /exemptions/ to the "circumvention of
    copyright protection systems." This does not have the weight of a
    federal regulation but, close to it. In short , the document says that
    the right of a cell phone owner to unlock his/her cell phone can not be
    abridged by carriers.

    <http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf>

    Sec III, paragraph A, subsection 5:

    Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone
    handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when
    circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully
    connecting to a wireless telephone communication network



  3. #3
    GJIsh
    Guest

    Re: V3

    On Mar 5, 4:36*pm, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    > > On Mar 5, 1:24 pm, "Graciel Contreras" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> I found a software to unlock the V3, you can also add video to it. Take a
    > >> look at it......

    >
    > >>www.freewebs.com/graco14

    >
    > >> GC

    >
    > > Go here : idensolutions.com

    >
    > > Verified Paypal member with lots of successful transactions.

    >
    > [for U.S. cell phone owners only]
    >
    > It costs nothing to unlock your cell phone, other than the call itself
    > to your carrier. *They are obliged to provide you with any instructions
    > and/or code necessary to unlock your phone.
    >
    > Our carrier is ATT/Cingular. *I've done this on 4 phones since November
    > 2006. *The first time, the representative balked. *I had to talk to a
    > supervisor who agreed. *Since then, any rep I've spoken to has been able
    > & willing. *They either mailed the info needed w/in a few days or talked
    > me through it immediately on the phone. *The phones I've unlocked this
    > way are made by Nokia, Motorola & Samsung.
    >
    > If you're interested, I've posted a linky to the source documentation
    > below. *If your carrier still refuses, the USCO & your federal Rep would
    > love to hear about it. *In fact, I'd be very interested to hear if a
    > carrier /denied/ its customer a request to unlock in the past year or two.
    >
    > -Craig
    >
    > ============
    >
    > On November 17 2006, the US Copyright Office issued a so-called
    > "Recommendation" regarding /exemptions/ to the "circumvention of
    > copyright protection systems." *This does not have the weight of a
    > federal regulation but, close to it. *In short , the document says that
    > the right of a cell phone owner to unlock his/her cell phone can not be
    > abridged by carriers.
    >
    > <http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf>
    >
    > Sec III, paragraph A, subsection 5:
    >
    > Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless telephone
    > handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication network, when
    > circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of lawfully
    > connecting to a wireless telephone communication network


    Craig, Verizon must not know (or care) about this. Last week I called
    and asked about unlocking the phone and was told they disable these
    features because of security concerns for their network. I should add
    it was qualified with a "for now". But the person I spoke with did not
    explain any further. Nor would she give me the information I desired.
    If you have any tips on how to get this information I would appreciate
    it. I bought the Razr V3m so I could use these features only to find I
    can't. I'd also like to understand how unlocking my phone poses a
    threat to their network (not being sarcastic, I truly don't
    understand).



  4. #4
    Mr. Strat
    Guest

    Re: V3

    In article
    <[email protected]m>,
    GJIsh <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Craig, Verizon must not know (or care) about this. Last week I called
    > and asked about unlocking the phone and was told they disable these
    > features because of security concerns for their network. I should add
    > it was qualified with a "for now". But the person I spoke with did not
    > explain any further. Nor would she give me the information I desired.
    > If you have any tips on how to get this information I would appreciate
    > it. I bought the Razr V3m so I could use these features only to find I
    > can't. I'd also like to understand how unlocking my phone poses a
    > threat to their network (not being sarcastic, I truly don't
    > understand).


    They're full of ****. By crippling the phone, you have to pay them to
    transfer photos and ringtones. Bluetooth only reaches 32.8 feet.
    They're crooks.



  5. #5
    GJIsh
    Guest

    Re: V3

    On Mar 6, 10:37*pm, "Mr. Strat" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article
    > <[email protected]m>,
    >
    > GJIsh <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Craig, Verizon must not know (or care) about this. Last week I called
    > > and asked about unlocking the phone and was told they disable these
    > > features because of security concerns for their network. I should add
    > > it was qualified with a "for now". But the person I spoke with did not
    > > explain any further. Nor would she give me the information I desired.
    > > If you have any tips on how to get this information I would appreciate
    > > it. I bought the Razr V3m so I could use these features only to find I
    > > can't. I'd also like to understand how unlocking my phone poses a
    > > threat to their network (not being sarcastic, I truly don't
    > > understand).

    >
    > They're full of ****. By crippling the phone, you have to pay them to
    > transfer photos and ringtones. Bluetooth only reaches 32.8 feet.
    > They're crooks.


    Mr Strat, I agree, they are crooks. But with the best coverage I guess
    they feel like they can be. I'd just like a simple program or
    instructions on how to unlock these features. I'm not sure how they
    can get away with locking a phone that I own. I thought about changing
    carriers but I need the coverage Verizon offers.



  6. #6
    Craig
    Guest

    Re: V3

    GJIsh wrote:
    > On Mar 5, 4:36 pm, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>> On Mar 5, 1:24 pm, "Graciel Contreras" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> I found a software to unlock the V3, you can also add video to
    >>>> it. Take a look at it...... www.freewebs.com/graco14 GC
    >>> Go here : idensolutions.com Verified Paypal member with lots of
    >>> successful transactions.

    >> [for U.S. cell phone owners only]
    >>
    >> It costs nothing to unlock your cell phone, other than the call
    >> itself to your carrier. They are obliged to provide you with any
    >> instructions and/or code necessary to unlock your phone.
    >>
    >> Our carrier is ATT/Cingular. I've done this on 4 phones since
    >> November 2006. The first time, the representative balked. I had
    >> to talk to a supervisor who agreed. Since then, any rep I've
    >> spoken to has been able & willing. They either mailed the info
    >> needed w/in a few days or talked me through it immediately on the
    >> phone. The phones I've unlocked this way are made by Nokia,
    >> Motorola & Samsung.
    >>
    >> If you're interested, I've posted a linky to the source
    >> documentation below. If your carrier still refuses, the USCO &
    >> your federal Rep would love to hear about it. In fact, I'd be very
    >> interested to hear if a carrier /denied/ its customer a request to
    >> unlock in the past year or two.
    >>
    >> -Craig
    >>
    >> ============
    >>
    >> On November 17 2006, the US Copyright Office issued a so-called
    >> "Recommendation" regarding /exemptions/ to the "circumvention of
    >> copyright protection systems." This does not have the weight of a
    >> federal regulation but, close to it. In short , the document says
    >> that the right of a cell phone owner to unlock his/her cell phone
    >> can not be abridged by carriers.
    >>
    >> <http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf>
    >>
    >> Sec III, paragraph A, subsection 5:
    >>
    >> Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless
    >> telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication
    >> network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of
    >> lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network

    >


    GJish;
    >
    > If you have any tips on how to get this information I would
    > appreciate it.


    If by "get this information," you mean the procedure & code for
    unlocking your phone, everything I did to get it done was laid out in my
    original post. I'm sorry but the only thing I can recommend is
    escalation, ie: 1st to the supe, 2nd to the manager, 3rd to your
    Congressional Representative's field office.

    (Fwiw, Rep field offices are pretty damn scrupulous about following up
    on a constituent's problem. At least, that's our experience).

    > I'd also like to understand how unlocking my phone poses a threat to
    > their network (not being sarcastic, I truly don't understand).


    Can't help you there either. I haven't the foggiest. Sorry I can't
    help more but, please, post again to let us know how things turn out.
    It'll help the next guy.

    best,
    -Craig



  7. #7
    Mr. Strat
    Guest

    Re: V3

    In article
    <[email protected]m>,
    GJIsh <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Mr Strat, I agree, they are crooks. But with the best coverage I guess
    > they feel like they can be. I'd just like a simple program or
    > instructions on how to unlock these features. I'm not sure how they
    > can get away with locking a phone that I own. I thought about changing
    > carriers but I need the coverage Verizon offers.


    I have TMO in a Verizon-dominated area. There have been a few places
    where I don't have coverage, but everybody leases everyone else's
    towers, so it hasn't been a real problem. Also, I'm not impressed with
    CDMA technology.



  8. #8
    GJIsh
    Guest

    Re: V3

    On Mar 7, 1:10*am, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    > GJIsh wrote:
    > > On Mar 5, 4:36 pm, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> [email protected] wrote:
    > >>> On Mar 5, 1:24 pm, "Graciel Contreras" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>>> I found a software to unlock the V3, you can also add video to
    > >>>> it. Take a look at it......www.freewebs.com/graco14GC
    > >>> Go here : idensolutions.com Verified Paypal member with lots of
    > >>> successful transactions.
    > >> [for U.S. cell phone owners only]

    >
    > >> It costs nothing to unlock your cell phone, other than the call
    > >> itself to your carrier. *They are obliged to provide you with any
    > >> instructions and/or code necessary to unlock your phone.

    >
    > >> Our carrier is ATT/Cingular. *I've done this on 4 phones since
    > >> November 2006. *The first time, the representative balked. *I had
    > >> to talk to a supervisor who agreed. *Since then, any rep I've
    > >> spoken to has been able & willing. *They either mailed the info
    > >> needed w/in a few days or talked me through it immediately on the
    > >> phone. *The phones I've unlocked this way are made by Nokia,
    > >> Motorola & Samsung.

    >
    > >> If you're interested, I've posted a linky to the source
    > >> documentation below. *If your carrier still refuses, the USCO &
    > >> your federal Rep would love to hear about it. *In fact, I'd be very
    > >> interested to hear if a carrier /denied/ its customer a request to
    > >> unlock in the past year or two.

    >
    > >> -Craig

    >
    > >> ============

    >
    > >> On November 17 2006, the US Copyright Office issued a so-called
    > >> "Recommendation" regarding /exemptions/ to the "circumvention of
    > >> copyright protection systems." *This does not have the weight of a
    > >> federal regulation but, close to it. *In short , the document says
    > >> that the right of a cell phone owner to unlock his/her cell phone
    > >> can not be abridged by carriers.

    >
    > >> <http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf>

    >
    > >> Sec III, paragraph A, subsection 5:

    >
    > >> Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless
    > >> telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication
    > >> network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of
    > >> lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network

    >
    > GJish;
    >
    >
    >
    > > If you have any tips on how to get this information I would
    > > appreciate it.

    >
    > If by "get this information," you mean the procedure & code for
    > unlocking your phone, everything I did to get it done was laid out in my
    > * original post. *I'm sorry but the only thing I can recommend is
    > escalation, ie: 1st to the supe, 2nd to the manager, 3rd to your
    > Congressional Representative's field office.
    >
    > (Fwiw, Rep field offices are pretty damn scrupulous about following up
    > on a constituent's problem. *At least, that's our experience).
    >
    > > I'd also like to understand how unlocking my phone poses a threat to
    > > their network (not being sarcastic, I truly don't understand).

    >
    > Can't help you there either. *I haven't the foggiest. *Sorry I can't
    > help more but, please, post again to let us know how things turn out.
    > It'll help the next guy.
    >
    > best,
    > -Craig- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Craig, what I was looking for regarding what you did was, I guess more
    of what you said to get them to give you the code. What Verizon does
    amounts to buying a car from Dodge and then Dodge saying you can't add
    any aftermarket parts or accessories. I'm willing to fight a little
    with them but I'm not that familiar with how much authority the Copy
    Right Office has.

    I can tell you I am going to get this phone to work the way it is
    supposed to. Once I do I will post back so the next guy doesn't drive
    himself/herself nuts trying to do the same thing.



  9. #9
    GJIsh
    Guest

    Re: V3

    On Mar 7, 7:35*am, "Mr. Strat" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article
    > <[email protected]m>,
    >
    > GJIsh <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > Mr Strat, I agree, they are crooks. But with the best coverage I guess
    > > they feel like they can be. I'd just like a simple program or
    > > instructions on how to unlock these features. I'm not sure how they
    > > can get away with locking a phone that I own. I thought about changing
    > > carriers but I need the coverage Verizon offers.

    >
    > I have TMO in a Verizon-dominated area. There have been a few places
    > where I don't have coverage, but everybody leases everyone else's
    > towers, so it hasn't been a real problem. Also, I'm not impressed with
    > CDMA technology.


    Mr Strat, I can only tell you about the Pittsburgh, PA area. Verizon
    definitely rules as far as coverage. I have a friend that has Sprint
    and another that had AT&T and I have a Nextel from work. The quality
    of the calls are poor and the number of dropped calls is very high.
    Mainly I think it is because we have so many hills and valleys in the
    area. I can only count two spots in my home town that I get some
    connection trouble with my Verizon service. Then it is only for 100'
    or so.



  10. #10
    Craig
    Guest

    Re: V3

    GJIsh wrote:
    > On Mar 7, 1:10 am, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> GJIsh wrote:
    >>> On Mar 5, 4:36 pm, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>> On Mar 5, 1:24 pm, "Graciel Contreras" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>> I found a software to unlock the V3, you can also add video to
    >>>>>> it. Take a look at it......www.freewebs.com/graco14GC
    >>>>> Go here : idensolutions.com Verified Paypal member with lots of
    >>>>> successful transactions.
    >>>> [for U.S. cell phone owners only]
    >>>> It costs nothing to unlock your cell phone, other than the call
    >>>> itself to your carrier. They are obliged to provide you with any
    >>>> instructions and/or code necessary to unlock your phone.
    >>>> Our carrier is ATT/Cingular. I've done this on 4 phones since
    >>>> November 2006. The first time, the representative balked. I had
    >>>> to talk to a supervisor who agreed. Since then, any rep I've
    >>>> spoken to has been able & willing. They either mailed the info
    >>>> needed w/in a few days or talked me through it immediately on the
    >>>> phone. The phones I've unlocked this way are made by Nokia,
    >>>> Motorola & Samsung.
    >>>> If you're interested, I've posted a linky to the source
    >>>> documentation below. If your carrier still refuses, the USCO &
    >>>> your federal Rep would love to hear about it. In fact, I'd be very
    >>>> interested to hear if a carrier /denied/ its customer a request to
    >>>> unlock in the past year or two.
    >>>> -Craig
    >>>> ============
    >>>> On November 17 2006, the US Copyright Office issued a so-called
    >>>> "Recommendation" regarding /exemptions/ to the "circumvention of
    >>>> copyright protection systems." This does not have the weight of a
    >>>> federal regulation but, close to it. In short , the document says
    >>>> that the right of a cell phone owner to unlock his/her cell phone
    >>>> can not be abridged by carriers.
    >>>> <http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf>
    >>>> Sec III, paragraph A, subsection 5:
    >>>> Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless
    >>>> telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication
    >>>> network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of
    >>>> lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network

    >> GJish;
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> If you have any tips on how to get this information I would
    >>> appreciate it.

    >> If by "get this information," you mean the procedure & code for
    >> unlocking your phone, everything I did to get it done was laid out in my
    >> original post. I'm sorry but the only thing I can recommend is
    >> escalation, ie: 1st to the supe, 2nd to the manager, 3rd to your
    >> Congressional Representative's field office.
    >>
    >> (Fwiw, Rep field offices are pretty damn scrupulous about following up
    >> on a constituent's problem. At least, that's our experience).
    >>
    >>> I'd also like to understand how unlocking my phone poses a threat to
    >>> their network (not being sarcastic, I truly don't understand).

    >> Can't help you there either. I haven't the foggiest. Sorry I can't
    >> help more but, please, post again to let us know how things turn out.
    >> It'll help the next guy.
    >>
    >> best,
    >> -Craig- Hide quoted text -
    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    > Craig, what I was looking for regarding what you did was, I guess more
    > of what you said to get them to give you the code. What Verizon does
    > amounts to buying a car from Dodge and then Dodge saying you can't add
    > any aftermarket parts or accessories. I'm willing to fight a little
    > with them but I'm not that familiar with how much authority the Copy
    > Right Office has.
    >
    > I can tell you I am going to get this phone to work the way it is
    > supposed to. Once I do I will post back so the next guy doesn't drive
    > himself/herself nuts trying to do the same thing.


    Gjish;

    Any news on unlocking your phone?

    -Craig



  11. #11
    z5o
    Guest

    Re: V3

    Unlock codes are the sole property of the manufacturer. Even though from
    time to time you can get then from the tech. ATnT, however seems tobe a bit
    more giving tham most companys. maining they like to keep thier cust. happy.
    Think of a unlock code as a Windows OEM code, good luck getting that. Theres
    vary good resons why most companys will not give them out. Mostly, money,
    but, theyll never tell you that. I know with Sprint/Nextel, theyll refer you
    to the manufacturer. Besides, you give up most of your rights over hardware
    and software usage when you sign a contract with your provider and just like
    MicroSoft, can cancle your service and right of use at anytime without
    notice. with over 200 billion cell phone users worldwide and more money than
    the oil companys makes, well maybe not, equipment unlock codes, IE software
    unlock codes, are considered protected property. Now some manufacturers will
    give you the codes on some of the phones. Most will not. In fact, in most
    cases, if they did you could in since copy it and make you own phone to
    sale. It all comes down to cold hard cash and thier not going to give that
    away. Ask them one to many times and you might get a call from thier fraud
    department. Most people dont understand that most cell phone companys dont
    realy care what the cust. thinks, just thier money. Im not trying to sound
    like a smart___, but, after working on the inside of more than one network,
    Ive come accross this vary subject. Beleave me, they dont like to give them
    out for any reson and whena cust asks them, its a red flag to most companys.
    So becareful. Now asfar as the provider being required to give you
    instruction on sitting up your phone. Nope thier not required todo anything,
    in fact, thay can refuse you all togather. Its just not good on thier bottom
    line. It all comes down to your cell contract. Until you have that, the
    provider doesnt have to provide anything and when you do have one. Your
    under what is called" TOU"," Terms Of Use" and with most contarts that TOU
    isnt printed on the contart itself. It is control by the provider and can be
    changed. Just like software, if you dont accept the "TOU", you want get
    anything from them no matter what you payed for the phone. But like a stated
    before ATnT seems to want to keep thier cust happier than most other
    companys and tend to give in to them, just to them them off the phone. See,
    with most cell phone companys, when you call thier tech support, your not
    talking to that company. Your talking with a subcontracter like, EDS, ACI,
    to name a few. These people get paid to fix your problams, on average,
    within 12 min or less. Anything over that and it starts to cost them money
    and that time includes hold time. Cell phone manufactures tend to get vary
    upset when the company thats selling thier product gives out those codes out
    and in fact most companys do not have them. See, when your useing unlock
    codes, its not the phone your unlocking, its the software thats on it and
    that is vary protected. What most people dont understand, that if you run
    out and buy a peace of software, you dont own. youve just bought the right
    to use it, within the software TOU agreement and if you look deep enough
    into what your agreeing to when buying a cell. Youll see that the software
    on that phone is still property of the manufacters and is controled solely
    by them and thier not going to give that up. Now as far as network security.
    If Ive got the unlock code to your phone. I could, in since, hack your
    phone, via bluetooth, and take control over that phone. Which would allow me
    to remotely operate the phone and god knows where that could lead. But,
    basicly it all comes down to $$$$

    "Craig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > GJIsh wrote:
    >> On Mar 7, 1:10 am, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> GJIsh wrote:
    >>>> On Mar 5, 4:36 pm, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>>> On Mar 5, 1:24 pm, "Graciel Contreras" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>>> I found a software to unlock the V3, you can also add video to
    >>>>>>> it. Take a look at it......www.freewebs.com/graco14GC
    >>>>>> Go here : idensolutions.com Verified Paypal member with lots of
    >>>>>> successful transactions.
    >>>>> [for U.S. cell phone owners only]
    >>>>> It costs nothing to unlock your cell phone, other than the call
    >>>>> itself to your carrier. They are obliged to provide you with any
    >>>>> instructions and/or code necessary to unlock your phone.
    >>>>> Our carrier is ATT/Cingular. I've done this on 4 phones since
    >>>>> November 2006. The first time, the representative balked. I had
    >>>>> to talk to a supervisor who agreed. Since then, any rep I've
    >>>>> spoken to has been able & willing. They either mailed the info
    >>>>> needed w/in a few days or talked me through it immediately on the
    >>>>> phone. The phones I've unlocked this way are made by Nokia,
    >>>>> Motorola & Samsung.
    >>>>> If you're interested, I've posted a linky to the source
    >>>>> documentation below. If your carrier still refuses, the USCO &
    >>>>> your federal Rep would love to hear about it. In fact, I'd be very
    >>>>> interested to hear if a carrier /denied/ its customer a request to
    >>>>> unlock in the past year or two.
    >>>>> -Craig
    >>>>> ============
    >>>>> On November 17 2006, the US Copyright Office issued a so-called
    >>>>> "Recommendation" regarding /exemptions/ to the "circumvention of
    >>>>> copyright protection systems." This does not have the weight of a
    >>>>> federal regulation but, close to it. In short , the document says
    >>>>> that the right of a cell phone owner to unlock his/her cell phone
    >>>>> can not be abridged by carriers.
    >>>>> <http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf>
    >>>>> Sec III, paragraph A, subsection 5:
    >>>>> Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless
    >>>>> telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication
    >>>>> network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of
    >>>>> lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network
    >>> GJish;
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> If you have any tips on how to get this information I would
    >>>> appreciate it.
    >>> If by "get this information," you mean the procedure & code for
    >>> unlocking your phone, everything I did to get it done was laid out in my
    >>> original post. I'm sorry but the only thing I can recommend is
    >>> escalation, ie: 1st to the supe, 2nd to the manager, 3rd to your
    >>> Congressional Representative's field office.
    >>>
    >>> (Fwiw, Rep field offices are pretty damn scrupulous about following up
    >>> on a constituent's problem. At least, that's our experience).
    >>>
    >>>> I'd also like to understand how unlocking my phone poses a threat to
    >>>> their network (not being sarcastic, I truly don't understand).
    >>> Can't help you there either. I haven't the foggiest. Sorry I can't
    >>> help more but, please, post again to let us know how things turn out.
    >>> It'll help the next guy.
    >>>
    >>> best,
    >>> -Craig- Hide quoted text -
    >>>
    >>> - Show quoted text -

    >>
    >> Craig, what I was looking for regarding what you did was, I guess more
    >> of what you said to get them to give you the code. What Verizon does
    >> amounts to buying a car from Dodge and then Dodge saying you can't add
    >> any aftermarket parts or accessories. I'm willing to fight a little
    >> with them but I'm not that familiar with how much authority the Copy
    >> Right Office has.
    >>
    >> I can tell you I am going to get this phone to work the way it is
    >> supposed to. Once I do I will post back so the next guy doesn't drive
    >> himself/herself nuts trying to do the same thing.

    >
    > Gjish;
    >
    > Any news on unlocking your phone?
    >
    > -Craig





  12. #12
    z5o
    Guest

    Re: V3

    Oh one more thing about TOU, lets say youve got a phone that the software
    unlock has been used. If the provider services that phone and finds out that
    unlock codes have been used in it it without any record of the manufacter
    unlocking it. You could have your contract subject to early canclation and
    all the fees that may go along with that. Also, if the company so chooses,
    you could find yourself being slapped with a law suit. So be vary careful
    when messing around with unlock codes. Using them without the manufacter
    giving you the ok to do so, is still looked upon as hacking, no matter if
    you own the hardware or not. They own the software, bottom line.

    "z5o" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Unlock codes are the sole property of the manufacturer. Even though from
    > time to time you can get then from the tech. ATnT, however seems tobe a
    > bit more giving tham most companys. maining they like to keep thier cust.
    > happy. Think of a unlock code as a Windows OEM code, good luck getting
    > that. Theres vary good resons why most companys will not give them out.
    > Mostly, money, but, theyll never tell you that. I know with Sprint/Nextel,
    > theyll refer you to the manufacturer. Besides, you give up most of your
    > rights over hardware and software usage when you sign a contract with your
    > provider and just like MicroSoft, can cancle your service and right of use
    > at anytime without notice. with over 200 billion cell phone users
    > worldwide and more money than the oil companys makes, well maybe not,
    > equipment unlock codes, IE software unlock codes, are considered protected
    > property. Now some manufacturers will give you the codes on some of the
    > phones. Most will not. In fact, in most cases, if they did you could in
    > since copy it and make you own phone to sale. It all comes down to cold
    > hard cash and thier not going to give that away. Ask them one to many
    > times and you might get a call from thier fraud department. Most people
    > dont understand that most cell phone companys dont realy care what the
    > cust. thinks, just thier money. Im not trying to sound like a smart___,
    > but, after working on the inside of more than one network, Ive come
    > accross this vary subject. Beleave me, they dont like to give them out for
    > any reson and whena cust asks them, its a red flag to most companys. So
    > becareful. Now asfar as the provider being required to give you
    > instruction on sitting up your phone. Nope thier not required todo
    > anything, in fact, thay can refuse you all togather. Its just not good on
    > thier bottom line. It all comes down to your cell contract. Until you have
    > that, the provider doesnt have to provide anything and when you do have
    > one. Your under what is called" TOU"," Terms Of Use" and with most
    > contarts that TOU isnt printed on the contart itself. It is control by the
    > provider and can be changed. Just like software, if you dont accept the
    > "TOU", you want get anything from them no matter what you payed for the
    > phone. But like a stated before ATnT seems to want to keep thier cust
    > happier than most other companys and tend to give in to them, just to them
    > them off the phone. See, with most cell phone companys, when you call
    > thier tech support, your not talking to that company. Your talking with a
    > subcontracter like, EDS, ACI, to name a few. These people get paid to fix
    > your problams, on average, within 12 min or less. Anything over that and
    > it starts to cost them money and that time includes hold time. Cell phone
    > manufactures tend to get vary upset when the company thats selling thier
    > product gives out those codes out and in fact most companys do not have
    > them. See, when your useing unlock codes, its not the phone your
    > unlocking, its the software thats on it and that is vary protected. What
    > most people dont understand, that if you run out and buy a peace of
    > software, you dont own. youve just bought the right to use it, within the
    > software TOU agreement and if you look deep enough into what your agreeing
    > to when buying a cell. Youll see that the software on that phone is still
    > property of the manufacters and is controled solely by them and thier not
    > going to give that up. Now as far as network security. If Ive got the
    > unlock code to your phone. I could, in since, hack your phone, via
    > bluetooth, and take control over that phone. Which would allow me to
    > remotely operate the phone and god knows where that could lead. But,
    > basicly it all comes down to $$$$
    >
    > "Craig" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> GJIsh wrote:
    >>> On Mar 7, 1:10 am, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> GJIsh wrote:
    >>>>> On Mar 5, 4:36 pm, Craig <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Mar 5, 1:24 pm, "Graciel Contreras" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>>>> I found a software to unlock the V3, you can also add video to
    >>>>>>>> it. Take a look at it......www.freewebs.com/graco14GC
    >>>>>>> Go here : idensolutions.com Verified Paypal member with lots of
    >>>>>>> successful transactions.
    >>>>>> [for U.S. cell phone owners only]
    >>>>>> It costs nothing to unlock your cell phone, other than the call
    >>>>>> itself to your carrier. They are obliged to provide you with any
    >>>>>> instructions and/or code necessary to unlock your phone.
    >>>>>> Our carrier is ATT/Cingular. I've done this on 4 phones since
    >>>>>> November 2006. The first time, the representative balked. I had
    >>>>>> to talk to a supervisor who agreed. Since then, any rep I've
    >>>>>> spoken to has been able & willing. They either mailed the info
    >>>>>> needed w/in a few days or talked me through it immediately on the
    >>>>>> phone. The phones I've unlocked this way are made by Nokia,
    >>>>>> Motorola & Samsung.
    >>>>>> If you're interested, I've posted a linky to the source
    >>>>>> documentation below. If your carrier still refuses, the USCO &
    >>>>>> your federal Rep would love to hear about it. In fact, I'd be very
    >>>>>> interested to hear if a carrier /denied/ its customer a request to
    >>>>>> unlock in the past year or two.
    >>>>>> -Craig
    >>>>>> ============
    >>>>>> On November 17 2006, the US Copyright Office issued a so-called
    >>>>>> "Recommendation" regarding /exemptions/ to the "circumvention of
    >>>>>> copyright protection systems." This does not have the weight of a
    >>>>>> federal regulation but, close to it. In short , the document says
    >>>>>> that the right of a cell phone owner to unlock his/her cell phone
    >>>>>> can not be abridged by carriers.
    >>>>>> <http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf>
    >>>>>> Sec III, paragraph A, subsection 5:
    >>>>>> Computer programs in the form of firmware that enable wireless
    >>>>>> telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telephone communication
    >>>>>> network, when circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of
    >>>>>> lawfully connecting to a wireless telephone communication network
    >>>> GJish;
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> If you have any tips on how to get this information I would
    >>>>> appreciate it.
    >>>> If by "get this information," you mean the procedure & code for
    >>>> unlocking your phone, everything I did to get it done was laid out in
    >>>> my
    >>>> original post. I'm sorry but the only thing I can recommend is
    >>>> escalation, ie: 1st to the supe, 2nd to the manager, 3rd to your
    >>>> Congressional Representative's field office.
    >>>>
    >>>> (Fwiw, Rep field offices are pretty damn scrupulous about following up
    >>>> on a constituent's problem. At least, that's our experience).
    >>>>
    >>>>> I'd also like to understand how unlocking my phone poses a threat to
    >>>>> their network (not being sarcastic, I truly don't understand).
    >>>> Can't help you there either. I haven't the foggiest. Sorry I can't
    >>>> help more but, please, post again to let us know how things turn out.
    >>>> It'll help the next guy.
    >>>>
    >>>> best,
    >>>> -Craig- Hide quoted text -
    >>>>
    >>>> - Show quoted text -
    >>>
    >>> Craig, what I was looking for regarding what you did was, I guess more
    >>> of what you said to get them to give you the code. What Verizon does
    >>> amounts to buying a car from Dodge and then Dodge saying you can't add
    >>> any aftermarket parts or accessories. I'm willing to fight a little
    >>> with them but I'm not that familiar with how much authority the Copy
    >>> Right Office has.
    >>>
    >>> I can tell you I am going to get this phone to work the way it is
    >>> supposed to. Once I do I will post back so the next guy doesn't drive
    >>> himself/herself nuts trying to do the same thing.

    >>
    >> Gjish;
    >>
    >> Any news on unlocking your phone?
    >>
    >> -Craig

    >





  13. #13
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: V3



    z5o wrote:
    > Oh one more thing about TOU, lets say youve got a phone that the
    > software unlock has been used. If the provider services that phone
    > and finds out that unlock codes have been used in it it without any
    > record of the manufacter unlocking it. You could have your contract
    > subject to early canclation and all the fees that may go along with
    > that. Also, if the company so chooses, you could find yourself being
    > slapped with a law suit. So be vary careful when messing around with
    > unlock codes. Using them without the manufacter giving you the ok to
    > do so, is still looked upon as hacking, no matter if you own the
    > hardware or not. They own the software, bottom line.

    The above is simply not true.





  14. #14
    z5o
    Guest

    Re: V3

    I dont understand how you figure that my statment isnt true. Ive worked for
    Nextel 2 yrs and Sprint/Nextel for 3. I know how the companys thinks and
    thier policys. But, maybe I just dont understand what your finding not true.
    Just for refrance, remember the battle over software rights on the
    BlackBerry(RIM). Only after many years in and out of court did RIM settle
    the the person who wrote the handheld software for that unit. I think if you
    look more into what a cell phone contract allows the end user, youll find
    that when you sign your contact, your agreeing to thier terms not the cust.
    But, maybe Im mistaken. Besides Im not definding cell phone companys, thier
    low and a bit drity when it comes to thier contracts and thier equipment.
    are you aware that Sprint/Nextel cancled over 2500 contracts for users
    calling into tech support one to many times. The users had to pay early term
    fees aswell. All Im saying is, be VARY careful when dealing with them. Its
    thier network, thier equipment and yes, thier software. Now, if the owner of
    that software allows the manufacturer to give out those codes. Then yes,
    they'll most likely give it out. Its unreal just what goes into the workings
    of cell phones. You can fight them over "End Users Right", but, you'll lose
    in the end. Cell phone companys have far more people working to protect
    their intrest. About all you can do is drop that company and go to another,
    thats it. Im sorry to say, I might had been wrong when I stated "Using them
    without the manufacter giving you the ok to do so, is still looked upon as
    hacking". Well, they/we dont call it hacking. They call it fruad. In the
    end, is it worth taking the chance, maybe Im, being a trained CDMA/IDEM and
    GSM wireless tech, just wrong. Oh well, it wouldnt be a 1st.

    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    >
    > z5o wrote:
    >> Oh one more thing about TOU, lets say youve got a phone that the
    >> software unlock has been used. If the provider services that phone
    >> and finds out that unlock codes have been used in it it without any
    >> record of the manufacter unlocking it. You could have your contract
    >> subject to early canclation and all the fees that may go along with
    >> that. Also, if the company so chooses, you could find yourself being
    >> slapped with a law suit. So be vary careful when messing around with
    >> unlock codes. Using them without the manufacter giving you the ok to
    >> do so, is still looked upon as hacking, no matter if you own the
    >> hardware or not. They own the software, bottom line.

    > The above is simply not true.
    >





  15. #15
    TeddyBare
    Guest

    Re: V3

    >>>>>>>SNIP TRASH <<<<<<<<<<

    You are so wrong, and one sided and using unrelated examples that you are
    not smart enough see that you are wrong.!!!!




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