Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

monkeyboyvealot... you can call your names, it doesn;t change the FACT
that your a loser, a stuipd ****, close minded, and las but not least a
VEALOT

[email protected] (M K) wrote in article <[email protected]>:
> Ya, you're correct - he's too stupid to realize that.
>
> Barry Cornholio <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > CCCC1 1CCCC wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Larry... TOP NOTCH thats great ha ha ha ha but what about that
> > > coverage the vealots keep changing the subject to when ptt comes up? Oh
> > > I forgot thats a complete myth too. ha ha ha ha
> >
> > HEY! Aren't YOU the one , everyone is calling SHORTY-****-STAIN??
> >
>
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Not only are you a VEALOT your a stupid newbie VEALOT Get lost loser!

Barry Cornholio <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> CCCC1 1CCCC wrote:
>
>
> > davidvealot...."disgruntled Nextel people" oh my has it gotten SAD in
> > the vzn camp when the show is on the other foot. Please vealot your BS
> > is too much. vzn's copy cat ptt doesn't work very well, Nextel is
> > winning awards, Nextel is profitable, Nextel is going to kick vzn's
> > butt. Your defense is BS, your rants of dreams and hopes is BS. You
> > are a typical VEALOT.
>
> Hey DUMB****, SHORTY **** STAIN.. the word's ZEALOT, not VEALOT..
>

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On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:32:32 -0000, [email protected] (Mark F) wrote:

>That was really good Larry, thanks for the educated and unbiased net
>demo on Verizon PTT from someone who knows how PTT should work being
>that they have a 1x3 ham call. :-)
>
>Now I have one thing less on my to-do list to do now that you gave a
>real clear understanding of the Push-To-Wait technology, somehow I had a
>feeling it was going to end up that way.
>
>73's
>Mark KS4VT
>
I must carry my 2m HT to the store to demo our linked repeater systems
with instant response so he'll have something to measure it by....(c;


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:03:50 -0500, "WindsorFox[SS]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Hehe, I'll have to go in for a demo my self with my Nextel AND my
>2M HT set to my personal auto-patch hooked up at the house.
>
Got I-Link or one of the internet linking systems running on any of
your 2m repeaters? That would be a great demo.....walk into VZW's
store and ask the sales wienie to standby because you are talking in
realtime with a guy riding on the train into Helsinki through his UHF
repeater. I've done that on I-Link, myself. Way cool....

Now, where were we.....oh, yeah.....it sucks.


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 12:29:23 -0000, [email protected] (Mark F) wrote:

>"WindsorFox[SS]" <[email protected]> wrote in article
><swV4b.42850$xf.2721@lakeread06>:
>> Mark F wrote:
>>
>> > That was really good Larry, thanks for the educated and unbiased net
>> > demo on Verizon PTT from someone who knows how PTT should work being
>> > that they have a 1x3 ham call. :-)
>> >
>> > Now I have one thing less on my to-do list to do now that you gave a
>> > real clear understanding of the Push-To-Wait technology, somehow I had a
>> > feeling it was going to end up that way.
>> >
>> > 73's
>> > Mark KS4VT
>> >
>>
>>
>> Hehe, I'll have to go in for a demo my self with my Nextel AND my
>> 2M HT set to my personal auto-patch hooked up at the house.
>>
>
>Ditto...and then I'll switch over to the local UHF repeater that has
>IRLP and talk to someone thru the Dallas reflector to um...someone in
>Australia.
>
>Heeee.....
>
There ya go! That VK6 in Perth is usually on all day on I-Link....(c;

73 to all the hams....

Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:53:31 -0000, [email protected] (M K) wrote:

>Do you work for Nextel?
>
Nope...self employed. Have been since 1986.....


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 01:29:04 GMT, "Big Al" <[email protected]> wrote:

>That's sounds like my Nextel demo, but with a difference
>The shop I was in had NO SIGNAL, due to lack of coverage, so he couldn't
>demo ANY OF THE PHONE!
>
>OK Verizon customers, start laughing like crazy!"
>
Nextel needs a little Verizon trickery! There's a full-scale cellular
800 Mhz repeater in the mall store that makes even the cheapest phone
have a full-scale signal anywhere on the sales floor. I call it their
"Cheater Repeater".....(c;


Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

A couple of things:

1. Quantify 'Many Nextel folks'.
2. Where are these rave reviews posted or written (I have yet to see one).
3. Explain the facts you consulted in determining that Nextel will be
out of business in 3-5 years. Is it because they don't have a landline
monoply behind them throwing tons of cash down the crapper to keep
wireless afloat. Listen to the next quarterly investors call- notice
that they will announe a crapload of data about wireless, but never
mention the net loss for the division. Makes me feel confident about
things (not). Oh crap- that can't be it- NEXTEL HAS MADE A PROFIT FOR
THE LAST 5 QUARTERS.

Whiz Kid wrote:

> Its very funny watching the Nextel pumpers and employees *****ing about
> delay in Verizon PTT.
>
> Many Nextel folks that have moved to Verizon PTT say the delay is not
> very noticeable and they are impressed with the call quality and
> coverage.
>
> I concur with you that Nextel will be history within 3-5 years.
>
> -WK.
>
> [email protected] (David Matuszak) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
>
>>HAHA..this was quite funny I admit. You can go into any wireless
>>carrier's store and have as much fun too. Let's all stop in at a NEXTEL
>>store and ask about the amazing " Nationwide Direct Connect" . You know,
>>the one where you can call California from New York , but can't call
>>your spouse two blocks away. Ask a Nextel sales associate about all the
>>new phones they have coming out, or any new cell sites going up soon??
>>The answer..ummmm...I dunnnoooo???? It's the delay thing I keep hearing
>>about, I get a kick out of. Nextel people are sooo concerned about it,
>>but key up that Nextel, and get the long beeeepppp...followed by "User
>>Not Available C 0." Ask what that means, and the response, they must be
>>out of the service area....ummmm.....noooo. They're two blocks away.
>>I'll take my delay..14 seconds??? I think we're over-exaggerating here,
>>I never experienced that at all. 4-5 seconds at the most. Don't let the
>>disgruntled Nextel people discourage you. I've had Nextel for 3 1/2
>>years, and it's sound quality is garbled. You have to put the thing up
>>to your ear to hear what they said and hopefully near a cell site.
>>Stick with Verizon, Nextel will be out of business within 3-5 years. A
>>couple of improvements with PTT along the way , and that will be it.
>>Remember folks, about 2 1/2 weeks for PTT, and about 10 years for
>>Nextel. It took them 9 1/2 years to go Nationwide Direct Connect, and
>>about 8 years to Cross-Fleet( talking to different Groups).Verizon PTT
>>is already there. Free Group calls with Verizon, free PTT minutes, free
>>this and that, Verizon is biting them Nextel folks in the ass and
>>they're hurt. They'll switch when their Nextel "sentence" is through.
>>It's called their service contract.........
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

For the off-Verizon newsgroupers, your faithful reporter carries a
Motorola TX200, 3W AMPS bagphone running on a real antenna, making me
the laughing stock of the Verizon newsgroup until we're out in the
boonies or offshore sailing and the old, reliable AMPS bagphone is the
one makin' the trip...

POWER is our friend, even in cellphones. WABC doesn't run 50KW just
to cook New Jersey.



On Mon, 01 Sep 2003 21:49:25 -0400, 3M TA3 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Somewhere about Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:35:56 GMT, someone called [email protected]
>(Larry W4CSC) said:
>
>>I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
>>"LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
>
>
>Good article, the only thing I have is that the battery on my Nextel doesn't
>last all that long. There are days when it can take a while to connect and then
>loose the connection but this is rare.
>
>-3M TA3

Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

To unload the system, if you pause too long between transmission, as
you would if you were looking up a document or checking stock in a
warehouse, etc., the phone gets dumped after about 12 seconds of
inactivity. You must reconnect the call to continue when this happens
and, of course as usual, YOU have no CONTROL over this situation
except to keep clicking up the phone, I suppose, which might be very
inconvenient if your fingers are in the file cabinet or you're
climbing that ladder out in the warehouse looking for something.

I think two things should be added.....

The phone should stay connected to the other PTT station for 10
minutes of inactivity.

The phone should have a DISCONNECT button so YOU can override the 10
minutes above.



On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 00:01:08 -0500, "WindsorFox[SS]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Larry W4CSC wrote:
>
>> "My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
>> the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
>> was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
>> call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
>> got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again."
>> Larry W4CSC
>>
>> Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
>> Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?
>
>
> Connect and disconnect?? As in a regular phone call?? What's the
>point, just make a call. I thought the whole point behind DC/PTT was
>to be instant, easy and informal like a two way radio....
>

Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

How old is this little boy?

BD
There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.


"CCCC1 1CCCC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Monkeyboyvealot... another worthless, and yet totaly BS responce from
> loser you. How typical you vealot. Get Lost, Grow up, Open up and
> learn something. Rants and trashing other wirless providers that are
> kicking or about to kick vzns ass is sooooo funny. Oh vzn ptt sucks? ah
> thats ok lets bring back the coverage myth. The funny thing about
> davidvealots responce is he's wrong and its all just vzn vealot
> nonsence... like I said typical vealot. Which is why you think its
> funny. Vealot BS and cheerleading is SOOOOO funny between to losers who
> have nothing but a pos fat cat wireless provider.
> The only way to feel good about your vzn wireless service is to make up
> stories about other providers and post them to message boards, only to
> be pointed out and told you vealots are FOS. Grow up vealots there are
> many wirless providers out there and MOST of them provider service equal
> to or better than vzn. No excuses, no spin, no sneaking around with
> different screen names, yeah vealots we know all about it. Grow up
> vealots
>
> [email protected] (M K) wrote in article <[email protected]>:
> > Uh oh David, I think you may have made CCC1 pee his little panties.
> > He's gonna be awfully upset with you.
> >
> > [email protected] (David Matuszak) wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > HAHA..this was quite funny I admit. You can go into any wireless
> > > carrier's store and have as much fun too. Let's all stop in at a
NEXTEL
> > > store and ask about the amazing " Nationwide Direct Connect" . You
know,
> > > the one where you can call California from New York , but can't call
> > > your spouse two blocks away. Ask a Nextel sales associate about all
the
> > > new phones they have coming out, or any new cell sites going up soon??
> > > The answer..ummmm...I dunnnoooo???? It's the delay thing I keep
hearing
> > > about, I get a kick out of. Nextel people are sooo concerned about it,
> > > but key up that Nextel, and get the long beeeepppp...followed by "User
> > > Not Available C 0." Ask what that means, and the response, they must
be
> > > out of the service area....ummmm.....noooo. They're two blocks away.
> > > I'll take my delay..14 seconds??? I think we're over-exaggerating
here,
> > > I never experienced that at all. 4-5 seconds at the most. Don't let
the
> > > disgruntled Nextel people discourage you. I've had Nextel for 3 1/2
> > > years, and it's sound quality is garbled. You have to put the thing up
> > > to your ear to hear what they said and hopefully near a cell site.
> > > Stick with Verizon, Nextel will be out of business within 3-5 years. A
> > > couple of improvements with PTT along the way , and that will be it.
> > > Remember folks, about 2 1/2 weeks for PTT, and about 10 years for
> > > Nextel. It took them 9 1/2 years to go Nationwide Direct Connect, and
> > > about 8 years to Cross-Fleet( talking to different Groups).Verizon PTT
> > > is already there. Free Group calls with Verizon, free PTT minutes,
free
> > > this and that, Verizon is biting them Nextel folks in the ass and
> > > they're hurt. They'll switch when their Nextel "sentence" is through.
> > > It's called their service contract.........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular
groups]
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

How old is this little boy? Do his parents know he's on the computer?

BD
There is always one more imbecile than you counted on.

"CCCC1 1CCCC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Monkeyboyvealot... another worthless, and yet totaly BS responce from
> loser you. How typical you vealot. Get Lost, Grow up, Open up and
> learn something. Rants and trashing other wirless providers that are
> kicking or about to kick vzns ass is sooooo funny. Oh vzn ptt sucks? ah
> thats ok lets bring back the coverage myth. The funny thing about
> davidvealots responce is he's wrong and its all just vzn vealot
> nonsence... like I said typical vealot. Which is why you think its
> funny. Vealot BS and cheerleading is SOOOOO funny between to losers who
> have nothing but a pos fat cat wireless provider.
> The only way to feel good about your vzn wireless service is to make up
> stories about other providers and post them to message boards, only to
> be pointed out and told you vealots are FOS. Grow up vealots there are
> many wirless providers out there and MOST of them provider service equal
> to or better than vzn. No excuses, no spin, no sneaking around with
> different screen names, yeah vealots we know all about it. Grow up
> vealots
>
> [email protected] (M K) wrote in article <[email protected]>:
> > Uh oh David, I think you may have made CCC1 pee his little panties.
> > He's gonna be awfully upset with you.
> >
> > [email protected] (David Matuszak) wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > HAHA..this was quite funny I admit. You can go into any wireless
> > > carrier's store and have as much fun too. Let's all stop in at a
NEXTEL
> > > store and ask about the amazing " Nationwide Direct Connect" . You
know,
> > > the one where you can call California from New York , but can't call
> > > your spouse two blocks away. Ask a Nextel sales associate about all
the
> > > new phones they have coming out, or any new cell sites going up soon??
> > > The answer..ummmm...I dunnnoooo???? It's the delay thing I keep
hearing
> > > about, I get a kick out of. Nextel people are sooo concerned about it,
> > > but key up that Nextel, and get the long beeeepppp...followed by "User
> > > Not Available C 0." Ask what that means, and the response, they must
be
> > > out of the service area....ummmm.....noooo. They're two blocks away.
> > > I'll take my delay..14 seconds??? I think we're over-exaggerating
here,
> > > I never experienced that at all. 4-5 seconds at the most. Don't let
the
> > > disgruntled Nextel people discourage you. I've had Nextel for 3 1/2
> > > years, and it's sound quality is garbled. You have to put the thing up
> > > to your ear to hear what they said and hopefully near a cell site.
> > > Stick with Verizon, Nextel will be out of business within 3-5 years. A
> > > couple of improvements with PTT along the way , and that will be it.
> > > Remember folks, about 2 1/2 weeks for PTT, and about 10 years for
> > > Nextel. It took them 9 1/2 years to go Nationwide Direct Connect, and
> > > about 8 years to Cross-Fleet( talking to different Groups).Verizon PTT
> > > is already there. Free Group calls with Verizon, free PTT minutes,
free
> > > this and that, Verizon is biting them Nextel folks in the ass and
> > > they're hurt. They'll switch when their Nextel "sentence" is through.
> > > It's called their service contract.........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular
groups]
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

I don't think I've ever had a sales person tell me the truth about anykind
of service. When commision is involved, it's anyone's game.

"M K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Oh boy, here comes Opentoe again with another moronic post. Ya, it
> actually says on the Verizon job application that they don't care who
> they hire, that the person must be stupid, and that the person must, at
> all costs, want to lie to the customer. I saw it - really - that's what
> Verizon wants out of their salespeople.
>
> You moron.
>
> "Opentoe" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > Verizon doesn't care who they hire as sales people. They could care
less. As
> > long as the sales person know more then the average person that
basically
> > has not clue about anything cellular, they will sell it and Verizon
> > corporate knows this. Also, these sales people are so brain washed into
> > thinking they know everything when they talk to some one who knows more
then
> > them they don't even get defensive...they get like Mr. Lunbergh in the
movie
> > "office space" and just pretend they didn't hear anything. Typical of a
> > young, snappy well dressed from JC Penny sales person.
> >
> > "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
> > > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
> > > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
> > > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
> > >
> > > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
> > > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
> > > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
> > > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
> > > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
> > > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
> > > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
> > > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
> > > asking him lots of questions like:
> > > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
> > > A - Just a few seconds
> > > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
> > > know when it's time for me to talk?"
> > > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
> > > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
> > > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
> > > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
> > > A - I don't think so....
> > >
> > > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
> > >
> > > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
> > > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
> > > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
> > > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
> > >
> > > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
> > > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
> > > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
> > > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
> > > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
> > > his face.
> > >
> > > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
> > > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
> > > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
> > > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
> > > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
> > > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
> > > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
> > >
> > > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
> > > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
> > > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
> > > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
> > > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
> > >
> > > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
> > > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
> > > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
> > > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
> > > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
> > > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
> > > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
> > > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
> > > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
> > > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
> > > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
> > > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
> > > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
> > > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
> > > obviously.
> > >
> > > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
> > > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
> > > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
> > > suit, wasn't he?
> > >
> > > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
> > > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
> > > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
> > > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
> > > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
> > > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
> > > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
> > > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
> > > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
> > > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
> > > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
> > > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
> > > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
> > > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
> > > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
> > > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
> > > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
> > >
> > > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
> > > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
> > > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
> > > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
> > > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
> > > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
> > > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
> > > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
> > > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
> > > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
> > > end of the counter!
> > >
> > > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
> > > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
> > > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
> > > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
> > > IT!...(c;
> > >
> > > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
> > > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
> > > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
> > > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
> > > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
> > > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
> > >
> > > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
> > >
> > > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
> > >
> > > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
> > > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
> > > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
> > > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
> > > worked, either......
> > >
> > > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Larry W4CSC
> > >
> > > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
> > > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?
> >
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

The original person of this message talked to one person. When I tried
out Nextel, I was told 3 stories between the Manager, Customer Care and
the Sales Person before I cancelled. So, you don't see me telling a
whole story that proves nothing. I can tell you how Nextel has horrible
service in most areas. I could say it's great! Either way, there is
nothing to prove here!!!!! Here is my story....
I waited 45 minutes to cancel my service. My friend...waited 75
minutes...(this is true) and you know what the sales person told
me...."Customer Care does this in hopes that you will hang up and pass
your trial period and forget to call back!" (Verizon users can stop
laughing) There ya have it!!!!!!!!!!

"Opentoe" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> I don't think I've ever had a sales person tell me the truth about anykind
> of service. When commision is involved, it's anyone's game.
>
> "M K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Oh boy, here comes Opentoe again with another moronic post. Ya, it
> > actually says on the Verizon job application that they don't care who
> > they hire, that the person must be stupid, and that the person must, at
> > all costs, want to lie to the customer. I saw it - really - that's what
> > Verizon wants out of their salespeople.
> >
> > You moron.
> >
> > "Opentoe" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > Verizon doesn't care who they hire as sales people. They could care
> less. As
> > > long as the sales person know more then the average person that
> basically
> > > has not clue about anything cellular, they will sell it and Verizon
> > > corporate knows this. Also, these sales people are so brain washed into
> > > thinking they know everything when they talk to some one who knows more
> then
> > > them they don't even get defensive...they get like Mr. Lunbergh in the
> movie
> > > "office space" and just pretend they didn't hear anything. Typical of a
> > > young, snappy well dressed from JC Penny sales person.
> > >
> > > "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
> > > > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
> > > > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
> > > > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
> > > >
> > > > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
> > > > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
> > > > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
> > > > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
> > > > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
> > > > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
> > > > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
> > > > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
> > > > asking him lots of questions like:
> > > > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
> > > > A - Just a few seconds
> > > > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
> > > > know when it's time for me to talk?"
> > > > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
> > > > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
> > > > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
> > > > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
> > > > A - I don't think so....
> > > >
> > > > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
> > > >
> > > > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
> > > > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
> > > > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
> > > > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
> > > >
> > > > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
> > > > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
> > > > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
> > > > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
> > > > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
> > > > his face.
> > > >
> > > > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
> > > > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
> > > > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
> > > > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
> > > > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
> > > > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
> > > > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
> > > >
> > > > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
> > > > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
> > > > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
> > > > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
> > > > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
> > > >
> > > > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
> > > > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
> > > > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
> > > > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
> > > > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
> > > > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
> > > > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
> > > > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
> > > > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
> > > > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
> > > > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
> > > > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
> > > > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
> > > > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
> > > > obviously.
> > > >
> > > > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
> > > > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
> > > > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
> > > > suit, wasn't he?
> > > >
> > > > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
> > > > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
> > > > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
> > > > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
> > > > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
> > > > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
> > > > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
> > > > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
> > > > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
> > > > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
> > > > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
> > > > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
> > > > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
> > > > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
> > > > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
> > > > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
> > > > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
> > > >
> > > > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
> > > > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
> > > > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
> > > > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
> > > > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
> > > > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
> > > > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
> > > > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
> > > > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
> > > > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
> > > > end of the counter!
> > > >
> > > > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
> > > > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
> > > > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
> > > > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
> > > > IT!...(c;
> > > >
> > > > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
> > > > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
> > > > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
> > > > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
> > > > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
> > > > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
> > > >
> > > > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
> > > >
> > > > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
> > > >
> > > > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
> > > > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
> > > > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
> > > > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
> > > > worked, either......
> > > >
> > > > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Larry W4CSC
> > > >
> > > > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
> > > > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
>

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

Verizon is the same. I think they breed them in special cloning rooms
for the whole telecom industry. If you speak to 8 Verizon people, you
get 8 different, conflicting stories because there are so many
different, conflicting accounts that have been setup and cluged up
over the years. I don't think any two Verizon customers actually are
charged the same. There are concessions made to prevent churning if a
customer really presses them on an issue. My bill has all kinds of
funny concessions built into it because I've been a customer since
there were two towers here and we all had installed carphones. I
became a cellular customer from IMTS, way way back.

The issue with my post was not anything to do with customer service or
the pack of liars behind the counter trying to keep me from finding
out how your deal with them differs. My issue is purely operational.
I've never been a Nextel customer because I've no use for a walkie
talkie in my business. I use one of my neighbor's Nextel phones who's
in the electrical business from time to time. My business needs a
PHONE to answer to the customers, on-the-road. None of my suppliers
have Nextel to make use of the walkie function. I was interested in
how well it OPERATED, which I'd rate as much poorer than the Nextel
phones I've used in my neighbor's business. Nextel isn't an issue
with me because they do not provide PHONE service out in the boondocks
where only my AMPS bagphone into a high gain antenna provides
respectable service. Out were I work, all the little phones are
mostly useless, no matter what the "rate map" says.

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:09:45 -0000, [email protected] (Jason
Lowe) wrote:

>The original person of this message talked to one person. When I tried
>out Nextel, I was told 3 stories between the Manager, Customer Care and
>the Sales Person before I cancelled. So, you don't see me telling a
>whole story that proves nothing. I can tell you how Nextel has horrible
>service in most areas. I could say it's great! Either way, there is
>nothing to prove here!!!!! Here is my story....
>I waited 45 minutes to cancel my service. My friend...waited 75
>minutes...(this is true) and you know what the sales person told
>me...."Customer Care does this in hopes that you will hang up and pass
>your trial period and forget to call back!" (Verizon users can stop
>laughing) There ya have it!!!!!!!!!!
>

Larry

Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
You can tell because they never tried to contact us.