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  1. #1
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest
    I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.

    I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    asking him lots of questions like:
    "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    A - Just a few seconds
    "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    know when it's time for me to talk?"
    A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    A - I don't think so....

    "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"

    At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)

    The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    his face.

    The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)

    During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)

    After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    obviously.

    At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    suit, wasn't he?

    My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    RESPECTFULLY, still.....

    I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    end of the counter!

    By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    IT!...(c;

    Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.

    I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.

    No thanks. It's just not Nextel.

    None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    worked, either......

    Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....



    Larry W4CSC

    Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?



    See More: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...




  2. #2
    Opentoe
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    Verizon doesn't care who they hire as sales people. They could care less. As
    long as the sales person know more then the average person that basically
    has not clue about anything cellular, they will sell it and Verizon
    corporate knows this. Also, these sales people are so brain washed into
    thinking they know everything when they talk to some one who knows more then
    them they don't even get defensive...they get like Mr. Lunbergh in the movie
    "office space" and just pretend they didn't hear anything. Typical of a
    young, snappy well dressed from JC Penny sales person.

    "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
    >
    > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    > asking him lots of questions like:
    > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    > A - Just a few seconds
    > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    > know when it's time for me to talk?"
    > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    > A - I don't think so....
    >
    > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
    >
    > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
    >
    > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    > his face.
    >
    > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
    >
    > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
    >
    > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    > obviously.
    >
    > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    > suit, wasn't he?
    >
    > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
    >
    > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    > end of the counter!
    >
    > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    > IT!...(c;
    >
    > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
    >
    > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
    >
    > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
    >
    > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    > worked, either......
    >
    > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?






  3. #3
    Mark F
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    That was really good Larry, thanks for the educated and unbiased net
    demo on Verizon PTT from someone who knows how PTT should work being
    that they have a 1x3 ham call. :-)

    Now I have one thing less on my to-do list to do now that you gave a
    real clear understanding of the Push-To-Wait technology, somehow I had a
    feeling it was going to end up that way.

    73's
    Mark KS4VT


    [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
    >
    > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    > asking him lots of questions like:
    > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    > A - Just a few seconds
    > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    > know when it's time for me to talk?"
    > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    > A - I don't think so....
    >
    > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
    >
    > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
    >
    > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    > his face.
    >
    > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
    >
    > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
    >
    > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    > obviously.
    >
    > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    > suit, wasn't he?
    >
    > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
    >
    > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    > end of the counter!
    >
    > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    > IT!...(c;
    >
    > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
    >
    > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
    >
    > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
    >
    > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    > worked, either......
    >
    > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  4. #4
    Mark F
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    That was really good Larry, thanks for the educated and unbiased net
    demo on Verizon PTT from someone who knows how PTT should work being
    that they have a 1x3 ham call. :-)

    Now I have one thing less on my to-do list to do now that you gave a
    real clear understanding of the Push-To-Wait technology, somehow I had a
    feeling it was going to end up that way.

    73's
    Mark KS4VT


    [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
    >
    > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    > asking him lots of questions like:
    > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    > A - Just a few seconds
    > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    > know when it's time for me to talk?"
    > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    > A - I don't think so....
    >
    > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
    >
    > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
    >
    > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    > his face.
    >
    > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
    >
    > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
    >
    > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    > obviously.
    >
    > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    > suit, wasn't he?
    >
    > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
    >
    > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    > end of the counter!
    >
    > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    > IT!...(c;
    >
    > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
    >
    > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
    >
    > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
    >
    > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    > worked, either......
    >
    > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?


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  5. #5
    M K
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    Oh boy, here comes Opentoe again with another moronic post. Ya, it
    actually says on the Verizon job application that they don't care who
    they hire, that the person must be stupid, and that the person must, at
    all costs, want to lie to the customer. I saw it - really - that's what
    Verizon wants out of their salespeople.

    You moron.

    "Opentoe" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Verizon doesn't care who they hire as sales people. They could care less. As
    > long as the sales person know more then the average person that basically
    > has not clue about anything cellular, they will sell it and Verizon
    > corporate knows this. Also, these sales people are so brain washed into
    > thinking they know everything when they talk to some one who knows more then
    > them they don't even get defensive...they get like Mr. Lunbergh in the movie
    > "office space" and just pretend they didn't hear anything. Typical of a
    > young, snappy well dressed from JC Penny sales person.
    >
    > "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    > > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    > > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    > > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
    > >
    > > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    > > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    > > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    > > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    > > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    > > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    > > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    > > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    > > asking him lots of questions like:
    > > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    > > A - Just a few seconds
    > > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    > > know when it's time for me to talk?"
    > > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    > > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    > > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    > > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    > > A - I don't think so....
    > >
    > > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
    > >
    > > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    > > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    > > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    > > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
    > >
    > > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    > > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    > > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    > > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    > > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    > > his face.
    > >
    > > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    > > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    > > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    > > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    > > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    > > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    > > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
    > >
    > > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    > > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    > > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    > > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    > > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
    > >
    > > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    > > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    > > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    > > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    > > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    > > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    > > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    > > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    > > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    > > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    > > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    > > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    > > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    > > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    > > obviously.
    > >
    > > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    > > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    > > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    > > suit, wasn't he?
    > >
    > > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    > > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    > > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    > > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    > > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    > > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    > > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    > > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    > > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    > > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    > > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    > > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    > > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    > > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    > > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    > > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    > > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
    > >
    > > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    > > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    > > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    > > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    > > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    > > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    > > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    > > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    > > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    > > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    > > end of the counter!
    > >
    > > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    > > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    > > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    > > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    > > IT!...(c;
    > >
    > > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    > > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    > > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    > > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    > > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    > > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
    > >
    > > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
    > >
    > > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
    > >
    > > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    > > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    > > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    > > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    > > worked, either......
    > >
    > > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry W4CSC
    > >
    > > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    > > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

    >
    >


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  6. #6
    CCCC1 1CCCC
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    Larry... TOP NOTCH thats great ha ha ha ha but what about that
    coverage the vealots keep changing the subject to when ptt comes up? Oh
    I forgot thats a complete myth too. ha ha ha ha

    [email protected] (Mark F) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > That was really good Larry, thanks for the educated and unbiased net
    > demo on Verizon PTT from someone who knows how PTT should work being
    > that they have a 1x3 ham call. :-)
    >
    > Now I have one thing less on my to-do list to do now that you gave a
    > real clear understanding of the Push-To-Wait technology, somehow I had a
    > feeling it was going to end up that way.
    >
    > 73's
    > Mark KS4VT
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    > > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    > > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    > > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    > > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
    > >
    > > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    > > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    > > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    > > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    > > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    > > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    > > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    > > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    > > asking him lots of questions like:
    > > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    > > A - Just a few seconds
    > > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    > > know when it's time for me to talk?"
    > > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    > > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    > > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    > > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    > > A - I don't think so....
    > >
    > > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
    > >
    > > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    > > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    > > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    > > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
    > >
    > > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    > > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    > > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    > > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    > > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    > > his face.
    > >
    > > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    > > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    > > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    > > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    > > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    > > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    > > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
    > >
    > > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    > > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    > > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    > > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    > > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
    > >
    > > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    > > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    > > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    > > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    > > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    > > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    > > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    > > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    > > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    > > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    > > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    > > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    > > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    > > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    > > obviously.
    > >
    > > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    > > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    > > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    > > suit, wasn't he?
    > >
    > > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    > > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    > > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    > > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    > > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    > > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    > > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    > > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    > > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    > > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    > > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    > > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    > > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    > > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    > > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    > > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    > > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
    > >
    > > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    > > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    > > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    > > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    > > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    > > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    > > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    > > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    > > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    > > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    > > end of the counter!
    > >
    > > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    > > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    > > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    > > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    > > IT!...(c;
    > >
    > > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    > > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    > > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    > > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    > > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    > > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
    > >
    > > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
    > >
    > > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
    > >
    > > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    > > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    > > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    > > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    > > worked, either......
    > >
    > > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry W4CSC
    > >
    > > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    > > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]


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  7. #7
    CCCC1 1CCCC
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    Monkeyboyvealot.... read it and weep.... but maybe to yourself this time
    hate to keep pointing out what an ass you are when you enflame
    others.... Honest, TRUTHFUL but little mokeyboy has proven yet again
    vealots cant handle that.

    [email protected] (M K) wrote in article <[email protected]>:
    > Oh boy, here comes Opentoe again with another moronic post. Ya, it
    > actually says on the Verizon job application that they don't care who
    > they hire, that the person must be stupid, and that the person must, at
    > all costs, want to lie to the customer. I saw it - really - that's what
    > Verizon wants out of their salespeople.
    >
    > You moron.
    >
    > "Opentoe" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    > > Verizon doesn't care who they hire as sales people. They could care less. As
    > > long as the sales person know more then the average person that basically
    > > has not clue about anything cellular, they will sell it and Verizon
    > > corporate knows this. Also, these sales people are so brain washed into
    > > thinking they know everything when they talk to some one who knows more then
    > > them they don't even get defensive...they get like Mr. Lunbergh in the movie
    > > "office space" and just pretend they didn't hear anything. Typical of a
    > > young, snappy well dressed from JC Penny sales person.
    > >
    > > "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > > > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    > > > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    > > > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    > > > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
    > > >
    > > > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    > > > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    > > > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    > > > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    > > > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    > > > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    > > > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    > > > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    > > > asking him lots of questions like:
    > > > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    > > > A - Just a few seconds
    > > > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    > > > know when it's time for me to talk?"
    > > > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    > > > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    > > > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    > > > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    > > > A - I don't think so....
    > > >
    > > > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
    > > >
    > > > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    > > > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    > > > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    > > > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
    > > >
    > > > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    > > > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    > > > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    > > > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    > > > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    > > > his face.
    > > >
    > > > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    > > > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    > > > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    > > > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    > > > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    > > > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    > > > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
    > > >
    > > > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    > > > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    > > > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    > > > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    > > > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
    > > >
    > > > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    > > > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    > > > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    > > > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    > > > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    > > > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    > > > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    > > > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    > > > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    > > > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    > > > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    > > > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    > > > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    > > > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    > > > obviously.
    > > >
    > > > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    > > > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    > > > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    > > > suit, wasn't he?
    > > >
    > > > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    > > > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    > > > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    > > > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    > > > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    > > > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    > > > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    > > > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    > > > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    > > > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    > > > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    > > > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    > > > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    > > > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    > > > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    > > > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    > > > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
    > > >
    > > > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    > > > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    > > > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    > > > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    > > > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    > > > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    > > > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    > > > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    > > > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    > > > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    > > > end of the counter!
    > > >
    > > > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    > > > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    > > > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    > > > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    > > > IT!...(c;
    > > >
    > > > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    > > > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    > > > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    > > > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    > > > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    > > > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
    > > >
    > > > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
    > > >
    > > > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
    > > >
    > > > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    > > > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    > > > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    > > > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    > > > worked, either......
    > > >
    > > > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Larry W4CSC
    > > >
    > > > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    > > > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

    > >
    > >

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  8. #8
    CCCC1 1CCCC
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    Monkeyboy vealot.... #1 does it matter? #2 do you really care? #3 why
    do you really care? #4 what a vealot you are!.... give it up, grow up.

    [email protected] (M K) wrote in article <[email protected]>:
    > Do you work for Nextel?
    >
    > [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    > > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    > > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    > > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    > > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
    > >
    > > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    > > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    > > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    > > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    > > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    > > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    > > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    > > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    > > asking him lots of questions like:
    > > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    > > A - Just a few seconds
    > > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    > > know when it's time for me to talk?"
    > > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    > > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    > > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    > > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    > > A - I don't think so....
    > >
    > > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
    > >
    > > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    > > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    > > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    > > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
    > >
    > > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    > > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    > > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    > > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    > > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    > > his face.
    > >
    > > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    > > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    > > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    > > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    > > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    > > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    > > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
    > >
    > > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    > > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    > > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    > > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    > > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
    > >
    > > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    > > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    > > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    > > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    > > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    > > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    > > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    > > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    > > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    > > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    > > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    > > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    > > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    > > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    > > obviously.
    > >
    > > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    > > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    > > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    > > suit, wasn't he?
    > >
    > > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    > > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    > > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    > > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    > > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    > > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    > > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    > > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    > > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    > > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    > > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    > > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    > > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    > > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    > > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    > > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    > > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
    > >
    > > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    > > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    > > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    > > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    > > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    > > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    > > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    > > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    > > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    > > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    > > end of the counter!
    > >
    > > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    > > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    > > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    > > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    > > IT!...(c;
    > >
    > > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    > > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    > > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    > > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    > > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    > > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
    > >
    > > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
    > >
    > > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
    > >
    > > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    > > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    > > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    > > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    > > worked, either......
    > >
    > > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry W4CSC
    > >
    > > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    > > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  9. #9
    Big Al
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    That's sounds like my Nextel demo, but with a difference
    The shop I was in had NO SIGNAL, due to lack of coverage, so he couldn't
    demo ANY OF THE PHONE!

    OK Verizon customers, start laughing like crazy!"




    Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I stopped by the Northwoods Mall Verizon company store, the one with
    > the full cheater repeater in the ceiling to provide amazing signals to
    > even the cheap phones to get a demo of the V60p PTT phone on Labor Day
    > at 4PM in the very offpeak conditions, today.
    >
    > I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    > "LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I
    > was too late. A salesman approached, dressed for a funeral, and asked
    > if he could help me. (Maybe he thought I was gonna steal it...??)
    > "I'd like to see a demo of the new PTT to see if it will work for
    > me.", I patiently said. He started talking to me as if I were a
    > 12-year-old and he was going to teach me how to use the water
    > fountain. I played along, acting as stupid as he thought I was,
    > asking him lots of questions like:
    > "How long does it take to start talking to the person I'm calling?"
    > A - Just a few seconds
    > "How long do I have to wait before I can start talking and how do I
    > know when it's time for me to talk?"
    > A - It's instantaneous and it beeps to tell you like Nextel....
    > "Do I stay connected until I'm done talking or how do I disconnect?"
    > A - It stays connected until you disconnect it. Press END.
    > "Does this count against my M2M minutes?"
    > A - I don't think so....
    >
    > "Can you call someone so I can see it work?"
    >
    > At this point, he showed me the button on the side of this thick phone
    > they tried to hide by painting it black. Man, that battery should
    > crank a diesel! (I didn't say that to him. I tried to remain
    > mystified as any naive customer would without usenet's input.)
    >
    > The dead phone, of course, wouldn't connect to anything. It's battery
    > was dead, idiot! So, he put me on hold and walked back into Inner
    > Sanctum and borrowed a red phone from one of the honchos who hide in
    > the back. I heard a woman's voice, but couldn't make out quite what
    > she said to him. He wasn't happy, whatever she said, from the look on
    > his face.
    >
    > The red phone had several Verizon stores programmed into it, must be
    > other demo phones they leave online haphazardly like the one with the
    > dead battery. He called the mall across town by pushing the button
    > and started to talk as if he had a Family Radio Service UHF walkie
    > talkie in his hand. I started timing for the connect tones in my
    > head, trying to not let him know I was timing it as he made a fool of
    > himself. (Don't they TRAIN ANYONE TO SELL THIS CRAP?!)
    >
    > During his 3rd "Can you hear me now?" try with the button down, about
    > 14 seconds after he pressed the button, the connect beeps happened.
    > 14 seconds to get a connect across town on a holiday during low usage
    > hours standing directly under a full-scale store repeater with a big
    > antenna on the roof? Not impressive. (Nextel users - STOP LAUGHING!)
    >
    > After he saw his mistake and the phone display read CONNECTED, he
    > called out, again, to see if anyone were near the phone. I timed the
    > response, about 4 seconds, and chalked it up to someone walking across
    > the floor the FIRST time. Of course, the saleslady on the other end
    > in the other mall had the same extensive training as my salesman, so
    > we only heard the last two words of her transmission because she
    > didn't wait for the beep-beep, either. My guy keys up and starts
    > talking immediately, then FOUR SECONDS later the phone beeps and
    > starts transmitting the last few words of his speech. Easily over 3
    > seconds after he unkeys, we start hearing her already-started reply
    > breaking the squelch in the middle of a word. "Shouldn't we wait for
    > the beep like Nextel users do?", I asked, trying not to look too
    > bright. "No, the phone sends instantaneously.", he insisted, again
    > quoting from the extensive training seminar he'd spent days attending,
    > obviously.
    >
    > At that point I asked if I could talk to her, or try to talk to her,
    > and I got more extensive PTT training to the elementary school class.
    > Obviously, he was far superior to me. After all, he was in a funeral
    > suit, wasn't he?
    >
    > My 20 second training period had diverted his attention from keying up
    > the phone so the phone had DISCONNECTED the call, of course, just like
    > was reported in a.c.verizon earlier. By the time I got the phone, the
    > call had been terminated. I keyed up the call and 12 seconds later I
    > got a reconnect beep set indicating I could talk to her again. I
    > asked him why it had disconnected and he LIED THROUGH HIS TEETH
    > telling me he had disconnected the call. "How do you disconnect?
    > Which button do I press to disconnect?", I asked, looking carefully at
    > the phone's display for a button assignment. Of course, he KNEW it
    > was a lie, so we started to become more defensive. I kept my cool and
    > asked which button, again. "I must have pressed the wrong button.",
    > he replied, finally. Nonsense. I'm standing right in front of him
    > and he didn't press anything. We'd waited the 15 seconds and the
    > phone disconnected to free up the system for the next sucker. I was
    > holding it asking these stupid questions when it disconnected AGAIN.
    > "Look, it disconnected me and I didn't touch anything!", I complained
    > RESPECTFULLY, still.....
    >
    > I connected it back in 14 more seconds, waiting for the beeps and
    > said, "Hello, this is Larry. I want to see how this phone works to
    > see if I want one. Can you hear me now?" (I REALLY tried not to mock
    > the commercial, but at this point I just COULDN'T help myself,
    > really!) Again, she was already talking coming back to my call and,
    > turning away from my condescending, superior instructor who had not
    > come out from behind the counter, I walked a little ways away and
    > asked her to wait for the beeps before starting to talk to me so we
    > could really try it out. Man can he MOVE when he's lost control of
    > the demo! I thought he was gonna rip the door off the hinges on the
    > end of the counter!
    >
    > By that time, I had already gotten a good reply from her and had
    > gotten another beep to talk on my end....Time is about 3-4 seconds,
    > but one time it was only about 2 seconds after pressing the button.
    > DAMMIT, NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, I ASKED YOU NOT TO LAUGH! Now STOP
    > IT!...(c;
    >
    > Well, by the time he'd got to me, I simply handed the phone back to
    > him and told him I didn't think this service would be of any use to me
    > as I could call the person much easier without all the delays and
    > disconnects. "I don't think this will work for me. Thank you for the
    > demonstration.", I said into the phone to the woman in the other mall
    > across town, while looking at him trying to grab the phone.
    >
    > I thanked him, again, for his time as I handed over the red V60p.
    >
    > No thanks. It's just not Nextel.
    >
    > None of the Alltel or Sprint dealers could tell me when PTT will be
    > available from them. One Alltel reseller had a V60p but said he
    > didn't know how it worked because he didn't have one to try it out. I
    > told him that was alright. The Verizon salesmen didn't know how it
    > worked, either......
    >
    > Ok, NOW you can all laugh.....
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > Isn't it becoming more practical by the day to make
    > Iraq's desert the new World Nuclear Waste Disposal Site?






  10. #10
    David Matuszak
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    HAHA..this was quite funny I admit. You can go into any wireless
    carrier's store and have as much fun too. Let's all stop in at a NEXTEL
    store and ask about the amazing " Nationwide Direct Connect" . You know,
    the one where you can call California from New York , but can't call
    your spouse two blocks away. Ask a Nextel sales associate about all the
    new phones they have coming out, or any new cell sites going up soon??
    The answer..ummmm...I dunnnoooo???? It's the delay thing I keep hearing
    about, I get a kick out of. Nextel people are sooo concerned about it,
    but key up that Nextel, and get the long beeeepppp...followed by "User
    Not Available C 0." Ask what that means, and the response, they must be
    out of the service area....ummmm.....noooo. They're two blocks away.
    I'll take my delay..14 seconds??? I think we're over-exaggerating here,
    I never experienced that at all. 4-5 seconds at the most. Don't let the
    disgruntled Nextel people discourage you. I've had Nextel for 3 1/2
    years, and it's sound quality is garbled. You have to put the thing up
    to your ear to hear what they said and hopefully near a cell site.
    Stick with Verizon, Nextel will be out of business within 3-5 years. A
    couple of improvements with PTT along the way , and that will be it.
    Remember folks, about 2 1/2 weeks for PTT, and about 10 years for
    Nextel. It took them 9 1/2 years to go Nationwide Direct Connect, and
    about 8 years to Cross-Fleet( talking to different Groups).Verizon PTT
    is already there. Free Group calls with Verizon, free PTT minutes, free
    this and that, Verizon is biting them Nextel folks in the ass and
    they're hurt. They'll switch when their Nextel "sentence" is through.
    It's called their service contract.........



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  11. #11
    3M TA3
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    Somewhere about Mon, 01 Sep 2003 23:35:56 GMT, someone called [email protected]
    (Larry W4CSC) said:

    >I found the demo V60p and picked it up. Of course, the display said
    >"LOW BATTERY", instead of Verizon Wireless or the time, warning me I



    Good article, the only thing I have is that the battery on my Nextel doesn't
    last all that long. There are days when it can take a while to connect and then
    loose the connection but this is rare.

    -3M TA3



  12. #12
    David Matuszak
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...


    HAHA..this was quite funny I admit. You can go into any wireless
    carrier's store and have as much fun too. Let's all stop in at a NEXTEL
    store and ask about the amazing " Nationwide Direct Connect" . You know,
    the one where you can call California from New York , but can't call
    your spouse two blocks away. Ask a Nextel sales associate about all the
    new phones they have coming out, or any new cell sites going up soon??
    The answer..ummmm...I dunnnoooo???? It's the delay thing I keep hearing
    about, I get a kick out of. Nextel people are sooo concerned about it,
    but key up that Nextel, and get the long beeeepppp...followed by "User
    Not Available C 0." Ask what that means, and the response, they must be
    out of the service area....ummmm.....noooo. They're two blocks away.
    I'll take my delay..14 seconds??? I think we're over-exaggerating here,
    I never experienced that at all. 4-5 seconds at the most. Don't let the
    disgruntled Nextel people discourage you. I've had Nextel for 3 1/2
    years, and it's sound quality is garbled. You have to put the thing up
    to your ear to hear what they said and hopefully near a cell site.
    Stick with Verizon, Nextel will be out of business within 3-5 years. A
    couple of improvements with PTT along the way , and that will be it.
    Remember folks, about 2 1/2 weeks for PTT, and about 10 years for
    Nextel. It took them 9 1/2 years to go Nationwide Direct Connect, and
    about 8 years to Cross-Fleet( talking to different Groups).Verizon PTT
    is already there. Free Group calls with Verizon, free PTT minutes, free
    this and that, Verizon is biting them Nextel folks in the ass and
    they're hurt. They'll switch when their Nextel "sentence" is through.
    It's called their service contract.........




    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  13. #13
    Spam MeHere
    Guest

    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    Wow, I am glad the nextel service I have is not as bad as your description.
    "going out of business" you say. I realize NEXTEL doesn't have a huge
    wireline carrier to subsidize their unprofitable wireless business but
    Nextel is doing quite well without it.



    "David Matuszak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > HAHA..this was quite funny I admit. You can go into any wireless
    > carrier's store and have as much fun too. Let's all stop in at a NEXTEL
    > store and ask about the amazing " Nationwide Direct Connect" . You know,
    > the one where you can call California from New York , but can't call
    > your spouse two blocks away. Ask a Nextel sales associate about all the
    > new phones they have coming out, or any new cell sites going up soon??
    > The answer..ummmm...I dunnnoooo???? It's the delay thing I keep hearing
    > about, I get a kick out of. Nextel people are sooo concerned about it,
    > but key up that Nextel, and get the long beeeepppp...followed by "User
    > Not Available C 0." Ask what that means, and the response, they must be
    > out of the service area....ummmm.....noooo. They're two blocks away.
    > I'll take my delay..14 seconds??? I think we're over-exaggerating here,
    > I never experienced that at all. 4-5 seconds at the most. Don't let the
    > disgruntled Nextel people discourage you. I've had Nextel for 3 1/2
    > years, and it's sound quality is garbled. You have to put the thing up
    > to your ear to hear what they said and hopefully near a cell site.
    > Stick with Verizon, Nextel will be out of business within 3-5 years. A
    > couple of improvements with PTT along the way , and that will be it.
    > Remember folks, about 2 1/2 weeks for PTT, and about 10 years for
    > Nextel. It took them 9 1/2 years to go Nationwide Direct Connect, and
    > about 8 years to Cross-Fleet( talking to different Groups).Verizon PTT
    > is already there. Free Group calls with Verizon, free PTT minutes, free
    > this and that, Verizon is biting them Nextel folks in the ass and
    > they're hurt. They'll switch when their Nextel "sentence" is through.
    > It's called their service contract.........
    >
    >
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  14. #14
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    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...


    "Spam MeHere" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Wow, I am glad the nextel service I have is not as bad as your description.
    > "going out of business" you say. I realize NEXTEL doesn't have a huge
    > wireline carrier to subsidize their unprofitable wireless business but


    Actually it is just the opposite VZW is doing better than the VZ
    telcos... MB



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  15. #15
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    Re: Verizon PTT - The sales contact...

    davidvealot...."disgruntled Nextel people" oh my has it gotten SAD in
    the vzn camp when the show is on the other foot. Please vealot your BS
    is too much. vzn's copy cat ptt doesn't work very well, Nextel is
    winning awards, Nextel is profitable, Nextel is going to kick vzn's
    butt. Your defense is BS, your rants of dreams and hopes is BS. You
    are a typical VEALOT.

    "Spam MeHere" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Wow, I am glad the nextel service I have is not as bad as your description.
    > "going out of business" you say. I realize NEXTEL doesn't have a huge
    > wireline carrier to subsidize their unprofitable wireless business but
    > Nextel is doing quite well without it.
    >
    >
    >
    > "David Matuszak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > HAHA..this was quite funny I admit. You can go into any wireless
    > > carrier's store and have as much fun too. Let's all stop in at a NEXTEL
    > > store and ask about the amazing " Nationwide Direct Connect" . You know,
    > > the one where you can call California from New York , but can't call
    > > your spouse two blocks away. Ask a Nextel sales associate about all the
    > > new phones they have coming out, or any new cell sites going up soon??
    > > The answer..ummmm...I dunnnoooo???? It's the delay thing I keep hearing
    > > about, I get a kick out of. Nextel people are sooo concerned about it,
    > > but key up that Nextel, and get the long beeeepppp...followed by "User
    > > Not Available C 0." Ask what that means, and the response, they must be
    > > out of the service area....ummmm.....noooo. They're two blocks away.
    > > I'll take my delay..14 seconds??? I think we're over-exaggerating here,
    > > I never experienced that at all. 4-5 seconds at the most. Don't let the
    > > disgruntled Nextel people discourage you. I've had Nextel for 3 1/2
    > > years, and it's sound quality is garbled. You have to put the thing up
    > > to your ear to hear what they said and hopefully near a cell site.
    > > Stick with Verizon, Nextel will be out of business within 3-5 years. A
    > > couple of improvements with PTT along the way , and that will be it.
    > > Remember folks, about 2 1/2 weeks for PTT, and about 10 years for
    > > Nextel. It took them 9 1/2 years to go Nationwide Direct Connect, and
    > > about 8 years to Cross-Fleet( talking to different Groups).Verizon PTT
    > > is already there. Free Group calls with Verizon, free PTT minutes, free
    > > this and that, Verizon is biting them Nextel folks in the ass and
    > > they're hurt. They'll switch when their Nextel "sentence" is through.
    > > It's called their service contract.........
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

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