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  1. #16
    Jason Lowe
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    Hey, I have an idea for this Larry person....let's travel the 50 states
    and see who makes the most phone calls...oh wait, Nextel is only in 34
    states and runs on a "radio freq!" Well, we know what will happen. No
    worries, you can use mine if you need too!!! (= (i think a 2 way pager
    gets more service than Nextel)

    [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:57:02 GMT, "N9WOS" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > >You usually have to tell them two times before it sinks in. :-)
    > >

    > I had to tell the lady in the other mall store 4 times before she
    > would wait for the beeps to talk back to me, on my demo......
    >
    > Are you saying the average user can be trained in HALF the time it
    > takes to train a VZW employee?.....(c;
    >
    >
    > Larry
    >
    > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



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  2. #17
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:16:51 -0000, [email protected] (Jason
    Lowe) wrote:

    >Hey, I have an idea for this Larry person....let's travel the 50 states
    >and see who makes the most phone calls...oh wait, Nextel is only in 34
    >states and runs on a "radio freq!" Well, we know what will happen. No
    >worries, you can use mine if you need too!!! (= (i think a 2 way pager
    >gets more service than Nextel)
    >

    A two way pager works great, as long as you don't have to use it to
    talk back to the paging system. Paging systems are one way with 500
    watt transmitters from the tallest towers they can get. Unlike
    cellular or trunked radio systems, all paging transmitters on a
    channel are all sending out the same data as powerful as they can.
    Having high stability master oscillators on an FM system with so many
    simultaneous, synchronized transmitters online at once, paging easily
    overcomes the multipath, conflicting signals that tears up any
    modulation scheme cellular phone system. My old POCSAG pager would
    beep and display its data when you could hardly hear the signal, at
    all, on a scanner hooked to a much bigger antenna system than the tiny
    loop antenna in the UHF pager on 462 Mhz.

    Many cellular users forward their important no-answer-transfer calls
    to a paging system terminal because paging's answering machines still
    continue to notify much more reliably than digital cellular.


    Larry

    Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    You can tell because they never tried to contact us.



  3. #18
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:16:51 -0000, [email protected] (Jason
    Lowe) wrote:

    >Hey, I have an idea for this Larry person....let's travel the 50 states
    >and see who makes the most phone calls...oh wait, Nextel is only in 34
    >states and runs on a "radio freq!" Well, we know what will happen. No
    >worries, you can use mine if you need too!!! (= (i think a 2 way pager
    >gets more service than Nextel)
    >

    A two way pager works great, as long as you don't have to use it to
    talk back to the paging system. Paging systems are one way with 500
    watt transmitters from the tallest towers they can get. Unlike
    cellular or trunked radio systems, all paging transmitters on a
    channel are all sending out the same data as powerful as they can.
    Having high stability master oscillators on an FM system with so many
    simultaneous, synchronized transmitters online at once, paging easily
    overcomes the multipath, conflicting signals that tears up any
    modulation scheme cellular phone system. My old POCSAG pager would
    beep and display its data when you could hardly hear the signal, at
    all, on a scanner hooked to a much bigger antenna system than the tiny
    loop antenna in the UHF pager on 462 Mhz.

    Many cellular users forward their important no-answer-transfer calls
    to a paging system terminal because paging's answering machines still
    continue to notify much more reliably than digital cellular.


    Larry

    Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    You can tell because they never tried to contact us.



  4. #19
    Bob
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    While D/C is not for everyone- This statement is just not true.

    I can D/C with as little as two button presses and be talking in about three
    seconds.
    This person has never used nextel D/C - obviously.

    Lets see - 7 buttons + send - wait for PSTN to take call - wait for ring -
    phone rings a couple times (probably 15-20 seconds)
    and you say calling via PSTN is easier that D/C?

    Now You may not like D/C and that is your right to that opinion- but D/C is
    faster that PSTN.

    PSTN=public switched telephone network. (usually - UGHHH verizon)





    > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 03:54:45 GMT, "N9WOS" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >In my opinion, it is just easier to call the person via
    > >the normal duplex method and be done with it.
    > >You would already have the call finished by the
    > >time you made contact with the person on PTT.
    > >
    > >






  5. #20
    Bob
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    While D/C is not for everyone- This statement is just not true.

    I can D/C with as little as two button presses and be talking in about three
    seconds.
    This person has never used nextel D/C - obviously.

    Lets see - 7 buttons + send - wait for PSTN to take call - wait for ring -
    phone rings a couple times (probably 15-20 seconds)
    and you say calling via PSTN is easier that D/C?

    Now You may not like D/C and that is your right to that opinion- but D/C is
    faster that PSTN.

    PSTN=public switched telephone network. (usually - UGHHH verizon)





    > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 03:54:45 GMT, "N9WOS" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >In my opinion, it is just easier to call the person via
    > >the normal duplex method and be done with it.
    > >You would already have the call finished by the
    > >time you made contact with the person on PTT.
    > >
    > >






  6. #21
    N9WOS
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk


    "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > While D/C is not for everyone- This statement is just not true.
    >
    > I can D/C with as little as two button presses and be talking in about

    three
    > seconds.
    > This person has never used nextel D/C - obviously.
    >
    > Lets see - 7 buttons + send - wait for PSTN to take call - wait for ring -
    > phone rings a couple times (probably 15-20 seconds)
    > and you say calling via PSTN is easier that D/C?
    >
    > Now You may not like D/C and that is your right to that opinion- but D/C

    is
    > faster that PSTN.
    >
    > PSTN=public switched telephone network. (usually - UGHHH verizon)


    (shakes head)
    I am talking about verizon's PTT, not the Nextel D/C system.





  7. #22
    N9WOS
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk


    "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > While D/C is not for everyone- This statement is just not true.
    >
    > I can D/C with as little as two button presses and be talking in about

    three
    > seconds.
    > This person has never used nextel D/C - obviously.
    >
    > Lets see - 7 buttons + send - wait for PSTN to take call - wait for ring -
    > phone rings a couple times (probably 15-20 seconds)
    > and you say calling via PSTN is easier that D/C?
    >
    > Now You may not like D/C and that is your right to that opinion- but D/C

    is
    > faster that PSTN.
    >
    > PSTN=public switched telephone network. (usually - UGHHH verizon)


    (shakes head)
    I am talking about verizon's PTT, not the Nextel D/C system.





  8. #23
    RDAEX
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    Man, you REALLY need to research things before you speak
    ALL cellular phones work off "radio freq", and Larry was nice to you in
    his reply, Im amazed

    --
    This post brought to you by the letters F and U


    [email protected] (Jason Lowe) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Hey, I have an idea for this Larry person....let's travel the 50 states
    > and see who makes the most phone calls...oh wait, Nextel is only in 34
    > states and runs on a "radio freq!" Well, we know what will happen. No
    > worries, you can use mine if you need too!!! (= (i think a 2 way pager
    > gets more service than Nextel)
    >
    > [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    > > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:57:02 GMT, "N9WOS" <[email protected]>
    > > wrote:
    > > >
    > > >You usually have to tell them two times before it sinks in. :-)
    > > >

    > > I had to tell the lady in the other mall store 4 times before she
    > > would wait for the beeps to talk back to me, on my demo......
    > >
    > > Are you saying the average user can be trained in HALF the time it
    > > takes to train a VZW employee?.....(c;
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry
    > >
    > > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    > > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  9. #24
    RDAEX
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    Man, you REALLY need to research things before you speak
    ALL cellular phones work off "radio freq", and Larry was nice to you in
    his reply, Im amazed

    --
    This post brought to you by the letters F and U


    [email protected] (Jason Lowe) wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > Hey, I have an idea for this Larry person....let's travel the 50 states
    > and see who makes the most phone calls...oh wait, Nextel is only in 34
    > states and runs on a "radio freq!" Well, we know what will happen. No
    > worries, you can use mine if you need too!!! (= (i think a 2 way pager
    > gets more service than Nextel)
    >
    > [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    > > On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:57:02 GMT, "N9WOS" <[email protected]>
    > > wrote:
    > > >
    > > >You usually have to tell them two times before it sinks in. :-)
    > > >

    > > I had to tell the lady in the other mall store 4 times before she
    > > would wait for the beeps to talk back to me, on my demo......
    > >
    > > Are you saying the average user can be trained in HALF the time it
    > > takes to train a VZW employee?.....(c;
    > >
    > >
    > > Larry
    > >
    > > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    > > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.

    >
    > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  10. #25
    Bob
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    oh - sorry - - (I bow my head in shame)


    "N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > While D/C is not for everyone- This statement is just not true.
    > >
    > > I can D/C with as little as two button presses and be talking in about

    > three
    > > seconds.
    > > This person has never used nextel D/C - obviously.
    > >
    > > Lets see - 7 buttons + send - wait for PSTN to take call - wait for

    ring -
    > > phone rings a couple times (probably 15-20 seconds)
    > > and you say calling via PSTN is easier that D/C?
    > >
    > > Now You may not like D/C and that is your right to that opinion- but D/C

    > is
    > > faster that PSTN.
    > >
    > > PSTN=public switched telephone network. (usually - UGHHH verizon)

    >
    > (shakes head)
    > I am talking about verizon's PTT, not the Nextel D/C system.
    >
    >






  11. #26
    Bob
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    oh - sorry - - (I bow my head in shame)


    "N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > While D/C is not for everyone- This statement is just not true.
    > >
    > > I can D/C with as little as two button presses and be talking in about

    > three
    > > seconds.
    > > This person has never used nextel D/C - obviously.
    > >
    > > Lets see - 7 buttons + send - wait for PSTN to take call - wait for

    ring -
    > > phone rings a couple times (probably 15-20 seconds)
    > > and you say calling via PSTN is easier that D/C?
    > >
    > > Now You may not like D/C and that is your right to that opinion- but D/C

    > is
    > > faster that PSTN.
    > >
    > > PSTN=public switched telephone network. (usually - UGHHH verizon)

    >
    > (shakes head)
    > I am talking about verizon's PTT, not the Nextel D/C system.
    >
    >






  12. #27
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:06:49 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >oh - sorry - - (I bow my head in shame)
    >

    The public flogging will commence at 0900, tomorrow....(c;


    Larry

    Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    You can tell because they never tried to contact us.



  13. #28
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 20:06:49 GMT, "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >oh - sorry - - (I bow my head in shame)
    >

    The public flogging will commence at 0900, tomorrow....(c;


    Larry

    Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    You can tell because they never tried to contact us.



  14. #29
    Jacob Suter
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    You are correct! But I believe the Talkabout (at least my friend's old one
    he got from AT&T) has 462mhz also. It had "recieve only" signal where my
    Panasonic Duramax only wished it had any sorto f signal signal. (it would
    roam on any TDMA system, I never cought it 'holding' me out)

    I'd love to see a conventional pager system addon for cellphones for vm
    notification and text messages. Truely solid national cellular coverage
    isn't realistic in the near future, but this would be be using existing
    technologies.

    I'd pay a few extra bucks a month for voicemail notifcation and incoming
    text messages *anywhere* in the region. It'd be worth it to know when
    somebody *NEEDED* me - so I could either haul ass to the next area with
    cellular service or find a landline.

    And yeah, incoming-only pagers work damn near anywhere - I'm sure with the
    extra space for an antenna in the cellphone, it'd work even better.

    JS

    "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:16:51 -0000, [email protected] (Jason
    > Lowe) wrote:
    >
    > >Hey, I have an idea for this Larry person....let's travel the 50 states
    > >and see who makes the most phone calls...oh wait, Nextel is only in 34
    > >states and runs on a "radio freq!" Well, we know what will happen. No
    > >worries, you can use mine if you need too!!! (= (i think a 2 way pager
    > >gets more service than Nextel)
    > >

    > A two way pager works great, as long as you don't have to use it to
    > talk back to the paging system. Paging systems are one way with 500
    > watt transmitters from the tallest towers they can get. Unlike
    > cellular or trunked radio systems, all paging transmitters on a
    > channel are all sending out the same data as powerful as they can.
    > Having high stability master oscillators on an FM system with so many
    > simultaneous, synchronized transmitters online at once, paging easily
    > overcomes the multipath, conflicting signals that tears up any
    > modulation scheme cellular phone system. My old POCSAG pager would
    > beep and display its data when you could hardly hear the signal, at
    > all, on a scanner hooked to a much bigger antenna system than the tiny
    > loop antenna in the UHF pager on 462 Mhz.
    >
    > Many cellular users forward their important no-answer-transfer calls
    > to a paging system terminal because paging's answering machines still
    > continue to notify much more reliably than digital cellular.
    >
    >
    > Larry
    >
    > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.






  15. #30
    Jacob Suter
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    You are correct! But I believe the Talkabout (at least my friend's old one
    he got from AT&T) has 462mhz also. It had "recieve only" signal where my
    Panasonic Duramax only wished it had any sorto f signal signal. (it would
    roam on any TDMA system, I never cought it 'holding' me out)

    I'd love to see a conventional pager system addon for cellphones for vm
    notification and text messages. Truely solid national cellular coverage
    isn't realistic in the near future, but this would be be using existing
    technologies.

    I'd pay a few extra bucks a month for voicemail notifcation and incoming
    text messages *anywhere* in the region. It'd be worth it to know when
    somebody *NEEDED* me - so I could either haul ass to the next area with
    cellular service or find a landline.

    And yeah, incoming-only pagers work damn near anywhere - I'm sure with the
    extra space for an antenna in the cellphone, it'd work even better.

    JS

    "Larry W4CSC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:16:51 -0000, [email protected] (Jason
    > Lowe) wrote:
    >
    > >Hey, I have an idea for this Larry person....let's travel the 50 states
    > >and see who makes the most phone calls...oh wait, Nextel is only in 34
    > >states and runs on a "radio freq!" Well, we know what will happen. No
    > >worries, you can use mine if you need too!!! (= (i think a 2 way pager
    > >gets more service than Nextel)
    > >

    > A two way pager works great, as long as you don't have to use it to
    > talk back to the paging system. Paging systems are one way with 500
    > watt transmitters from the tallest towers they can get. Unlike
    > cellular or trunked radio systems, all paging transmitters on a
    > channel are all sending out the same data as powerful as they can.
    > Having high stability master oscillators on an FM system with so many
    > simultaneous, synchronized transmitters online at once, paging easily
    > overcomes the multipath, conflicting signals that tears up any
    > modulation scheme cellular phone system. My old POCSAG pager would
    > beep and display its data when you could hardly hear the signal, at
    > all, on a scanner hooked to a much bigger antenna system than the tiny
    > loop antenna in the UHF pager on 462 Mhz.
    >
    > Many cellular users forward their important no-answer-transfer calls
    > to a paging system terminal because paging's answering machines still
    > continue to notify much more reliably than digital cellular.
    >
    >
    > Larry
    >
    > Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    > You can tell because they never tried to contact us.






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