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  1. #1
    NexTel Rocks
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    HeHeHe!!! LOL!!!





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  2. #2
    Tech
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk



    NexTel Rocks wrote:
    > HeHeHe!!! LOL!!!
    >
    >

    It may seem funny but when you think about it both companies have a huge
    similarity. Verizon offers outstanding cellular service and a not yet
    ready for primetime PTT. Nextel offers outstanding PTT service and a not
    yet ready for primetime cellular service.




  3. #3
    Mitchell Regenbogen
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    They're not really similar at all. Nextel's PTT is limited to Nextel's
    small digital network, and when you have no coverage you can't communicate
    at all. While Verizon's PTT may not yet, after 2 1/2 weeks, be ready for
    prime time, you'll still be able to make a wireless call in more areas
    than with any other wireless provider. Verizon understands that PTT is
    merely an enhancement to being able to communicate. To Nextel PTT is the
    only reason for being.

    >>
    >>

    > It may seem funny but when you think about it both companies have a huge
    > similarity. Verizon offers outstanding cellular service and a not yet
    > ready for primetime PTT. Nextel offers outstanding PTT service and a not
    > yet ready for primetime cellular service.




  4. #4
    Tech
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk



    Mitchell Regenbogen wrote:

    > They're not really similar at all. Nextel's PTT is limited to Nextel's
    > small digital network, and when you have no coverage you can't communicate
    > at all. While Verizon's PTT may not yet, after 2 1/2 weeks, be ready for
    > prime time, you'll still be able to make a wireless call in more areas
    > than with any other wireless provider. Verizon understands that PTT is
    > merely an enhancement to being able to communicate. To Nextel PTT is the
    > only reason for being.
    >


    That was my point.




  5. #5
    Eddie Haskel
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    You might be laughing right now at the problems that Verizon is having,
    getting their direct mode (or PTT) off the ground. But you must remember,
    "NEXTEL" is NOT and never was intended to be a "Cellular" phone. NEXTEL is a
    "SMR" or Specialized Mobile Radio (see Trunking radio systems). It was
    intended to be for plumbers and such to reach "dispatch" or other units and
    that it does well.
    However....with that thought in mind, when Verizon and other carriers DO get
    their PTT service overlayed onto their cellular system, offer better RF
    coverage service than Nextel AND at a much cheaper rate, NEXTEL had better
    get ready to do something stellar....like cut their rates in half, build out
    to more places..or lose their customer base like rats off a sinking
    freight-liner.
    ANY and I mean ANY communications device thats not reliable or causes it's
    subscriber grief is not worth a plug nickle. Many of the NEXTEL users hold
    on due to the PTT feature and not wanting to lose their number they have
    published for their biz reasons. You ARE going to see a fair amount of
    "Churn" from NEXTEL in the following months, wait till PTT is available
    elsewhere....Eddie

    "NexTel Rocks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > HeHeHe!!! LOL!!!
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  6. #6
    N9WOS
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk


    "NexTel Rocks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > HeHeHe!!! LOL!!!
    >
    >

    One thing I don't think people get, is the fact
    that the delay will never go away with VoIP.

    The basic operation of digital phones is they don't
    listion all the time.
    They have a slot cycle index.

    That mean that your request to initiate a PTT
    connection with the other phone, it will have to
    wait until the other phone wakes up to check to
    see if it has any incoming calls or such.

    Once it does it, the phones have to transfer data
    and verify that they can make a PTT connection.

    Instead of a central switch making the decisions and
    coordinating everything in the blink of an eye,
    verizon leaves the process handling up to the phones.
    And the time lag in the transmission medium between
    the two phones is not insignificant.

    It is about the same time lag you will get when
    your computer request a page from an internet server.
    The server's turn around time is almost negligible.
    But you still normally have a few seconds pause until
    the page starts downloading.
    That is the same pause you will get with verizon PTT phones.
    because they go over the same transmission medium.

    When the phone is in a PTT connection, the phone is
    listening for request continuously.
    When it times out the connection, the phone will go
    back to It's designated listening pattern.
    That being, turn the receiver on every few seconds
    and check to see if there is any incoming traffic, then
    shut off again to conserver battery power.

    If the receiver stayed on all the time to make PTT
    connections quicker, then the phone would have
    The same battery life as it has when in standby and
    in AMPS mode.

    All verizon did was put one of those internet voice
    programs in a phone and call it PTT.
    That way, they didn't have to change their network at all.

    In my opinion, it is just easier to call the person via
    the normal duplex method and be done with it.
    You would already have the call finished by the
    time you made contact with the person on PTT.





  7. #7
    CCCC1 1CCCC
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    Eddie.... you might just see churn TO Nextel.... Come on another
    vealot... "Nextel is for plumbers" Have you hit your head? Nextel IS a
    A-list wireless provider PTT or NO PTT, Provider the same if not better
    service than the others. Unbelieveable BS.... yet so typical for
    vealots

    "Eddie Haskel" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > You might be laughing right now at the problems that Verizon is having,
    > getting their direct mode (or PTT) off the ground. But you must remember,
    > "NEXTEL" is NOT and never was intended to be a "Cellular" phone. NEXTEL is a
    > "SMR" or Specialized Mobile Radio (see Trunking radio systems). It was
    > intended to be for plumbers and such to reach "dispatch" or other units and
    > that it does well.
    > However....with that thought in mind, when Verizon and other carriers DO get
    > their PTT service overlayed onto their cellular system, off r better RF
    > coverage service than Nextel AND at a much cheaper rate, NEXTEL had better
    > get ready to do something stellar....like cut their rates in half, build out
    > to more places..or lose their customer base like rats off a sinking
    > freight-liner.
    > ANY and I mean ANY communications device thats not reliable or causes it's
    > subscriber grief is not worth a plug nickle. Many of the NEXTEL users hold
    > on due to the PTT feature and not wanting to lose their number they have
    > published for their biz reasons. You ARE going to see a fair amount of
    > "Churn" from NEXTEL in the following months, wait till PTT is available
    > elsewhere....Eddie
    >
    > "NexTel Rocks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > HeHeHe!!! LOL!!!
    > >
    > >

    >
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  8. #8
    CCCC1 1CCCC
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    WRONG mitchvealot.. but thanks for your worthless BS opinion of wireless
    providers, grow up and open up you may learn something. But doubt it
    cuz vealots never do. Why are you so nervous about Nextel? Is it true
    they are kicking vzn's butt? soon will? can other providers and vzn
    co-exist? Can it be possible other providers are as good as if not
    better than vzn? Seems CS, other awards, and profitability are all
    going to another wireless company, not vzn. Grow up vealot. The sky is
    not vzn, The sky is BLUE!

    > Mitchell Regenbogen wrote:
    >
    > > They're not really similar at all. Nextel's PTT is limited to Nextel's
    > > small digital network, and when you have no coverage you can't communicate
    > > at all. While Verizon's PTT may not yet, after 2 1/2 weeks, be ready for
    > > prime time, you'll still be able to make a wireless call in more areas
    > > than with any other wireless provider. Verizon understands that PTT is
    > > merely an enhancement to being able to communicate. To Nextel PTT is the
    > > only reason for being.



    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  9. #9
    CCCC1 1CCCC
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    mitchvealot.... you vzn's offical spokesman? you might have to fight it
    out with the handful of other mental loser vealots here. WRONG WRONG
    WRONG (AGAIN) Nextel's All digital network is not "small" like you.
    Coverage is a myth you try to keep bringing up as a spin job. (which
    aint working either) Might surprise you that some people have NExtel
    enjoy it and soem dont even use it for the PTT, just the good service,
    quality coverage, and the best advantage yet... not using the borg vzn.
    ENough vealot try your spins and BS somewhere else.... You like your
    dreams, and hopes are not working here VEALOT

    Mitchell Regenbogen <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    > They're not really similar at all. Nextel's PTT is limited to Nextel's
    > small digital network, and when you have no coverage you can't communicate
    > at all. While Verizon's PTT may not yet, after 2 1/2 weeks, be ready for
    > prime time, you'll still be able to make a wireless call in more areas
    > than with any other wireless provider. Verizon understands that PTT is
    > merely an enhancement to being able to communicate. To Nextel PTT is the
    > only reason for being.
    >
    > >>
    > >>

    > > It may seem funny but when you think about it both companies have a huge
    > > similarity. Verizon offers outstanding cellular service and a not yet
    > > ready for primetime PTT. Nextel offers outstanding PTT service and a not
    > > yet ready for primetime cellular service.


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  10. #10
    CCCC1 1CCCC
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    tech....

    Not true, Nextel is a fully functional wireless company which can and
    does provide its customers with good if not better service than the
    other providers

    Tech <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:
    >
    >
    > NexTel Rocks wrote:
    > > HeHeHe!!! LOL!!!
    > >
    > >

    > It may seem funny but when you think about it both companies have a huge
    > similarity. Verizon offers outstanding cellular service and a not yet
    > ready for primetime PTT. Nextel offers outstanding PTT service and a not
    > yet ready for primetime cellular service.
    >


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  11. #11
    RDAEX
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    "N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    <[email protected]>:

    > In my opinion, it is just easier to call the person via
    > the normal duplex method and be done with it.
    > You would already have the call finished by the
    > time you made contact with the person on PTT.
    >


    Everything was fine until you said that
    SO... I call someone, wait 3 seconds for it to START ringing, it
    rings... say, 2 times, thats what... 5 seconds?
    They pick up, we say our peace, say..... 20 seconds, we hang up.

    We have... for instance, around 30 seconds, and thats a DAMN short call
    time.. Im sure youll agree, when you factor ring time, etc.

    Now, If I PTT you, it delays about 3 seconds initialy, Your pocket goes
    "Beep Beep, hey, I need you to run the report to blah blah before 5pm",
    you push the button, and My pocket goes "OKAY"

    Thats about 10-15 seconds of use...

    I personally couldnt care less, as I hate PTT and dont want to get it,
    but it isnt like you push the button, go make a sandwich, THEN come back
    to tell the person what you need to tell them. You push, You
    talk........................ they hear.


    [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]



  12. #12
    N9WOS
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk


    "RDAEX " <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "N9WOS" <[email protected]> wrote in article
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    > > In my opinion, it is just easier to call the person via
    > > the normal duplex method and be done with it.
    > > You would already have the call finished by the
    > > time you made contact with the person on PTT.
    > >

    >
    > Everything was fine until you said that
    > SO... I call someone, wait 3 seconds for it to START ringing, it
    > rings... say, 2 times, thats what... 5 seconds?
    > They pick up, we say our peace, say..... 20 seconds, we hang up.
    >
    > We have... for instance, around 30 seconds, and thats a DAMN short call
    > time.. Im sure youll agree, when you factor ring time, etc.
    >
    > Now, If I PTT you, it delays about 3 seconds initialy, Your pocket goes
    > "Beep Beep, hey, I need you to run the report to blah blah before 5pm",
    > you push the button, and My pocket goes "OKAY"
    >
    > Thats about 10-15 seconds of use...
    >


    You have to factor in the 60+ seconds that it takes
    to tell the other person on the other end that you have to
    wait until the phone beeps before you talk. :-)

    You usually have to tell them two times before it sinks in. :-)





  13. #13
    Larry W4CSC
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 03:05:49 +0000 (UTC), Mitchell Regenbogen
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >They're not really similar at all. Nextel's PTT is limited to Nextel's
    >small digital network, and when you have no coverage you can't communicate
    >at all. While Verizon's PTT may not yet, after 2 1/2 weeks, be ready for
    >prime time, you'll still be able to make a wireless call in more areas
    >than with any other wireless provider. Verizon understands that PTT is
    >merely an enhancement to being able to communicate. To Nextel PTT is the
    >only reason for being.
    >

    What I'd like to see is for someone to take a PTT Verizon phone from
    Charleston, SC, and drive it around the SOLID PTT coverage area on
    their bogus coverage map across southwestern South Carolina, where
    they MIGHT have marginal CDMA service on the widely-spaced AMPS
    towers, but it would be a MIRACLE if it has 1X service to make PTT
    happen.....too funny.

    Then, when a TRUE PTT coverage map has been established, sue their
    asses to force THEM to publish a TRUE PTT coverage map, you know, like
    the one Verizon's sales staff is showing, the TRUE coverage map Nextel
    produces for the same area.


    Larry

    Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    You can tell because they never tried to contact us.



  14. #14
    Larry W4CSC
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    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 03:54:45 GMT, "N9WOS" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >In my opinion, it is just easier to call the person via
    >the normal duplex method and be done with it.
    >You would already have the call finished by the
    >time you made contact with the person on PTT.
    >
    >

    Excellent points.....and I agree with the assessment above.....


    Larry

    Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    You can tell because they never tried to contact us.



  15. #15
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: Verizon Push and Wait to Talk

    On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 20:57:02 GMT, "N9WOS" <[email protected]>
    wrote:
    >
    >You usually have to tell them two times before it sinks in. :-)
    >

    I had to tell the lady in the other mall store 4 times before she
    would wait for the beeps to talk back to me, on my demo......

    Are you saying the average user can be trained in HALF the time it
    takes to train a VZW employee?.....(c;


    Larry

    Extremely intelligent life must exist in the universe.
    You can tell because they never tried to contact us.



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