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  1. #1
    About Dakota
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    This was on today's local news.

    http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011

    I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
    Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
    some of us...

    It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    with other (GSM) carriers.

    About Dakota




    See More: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas




  2. #2
    Scott Stephenson
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    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas

    About Dakota wrote:
    > This was on today's local news.
    >
    > http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
    >
    > I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    > carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    > incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    > Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    > Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
    > Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
    > some of us...
    >
    > It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    > with other (GSM) carriers.
    >
    > About Dakota
    >

    They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
    iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.




  3. #3
    Scott Stephenson
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    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas

    About Dakota wrote:
    > This was on today's local news.
    >
    > http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
    >
    > I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    > carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    > incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    > Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    > Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
    > Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
    > some of us...
    >
    > It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    > with other (GSM) carriers.
    >
    > About Dakota
    >

    They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
    iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.




  4. #4
    About Dakota
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas

    I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
    supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
    GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
    advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
    carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
    but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).

    Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.

    AD

    Scott Stephenson wrote:
    > About Dakota wrote:
    >
    >> This was on today's local news.
    >>
    >> http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
    >>
    >> I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    >> carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    >> incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    >> Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    >> Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for
    >> theur Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped
    >> working for some of us...
    >>
    >> It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    >> with other (GSM) carriers.
    >>
    >> About Dakota
    >>

    > They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
    > iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
    >





  5. #5
    About Dakota
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas

    I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
    supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
    GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
    advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
    carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
    but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).

    Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.

    AD

    Scott Stephenson wrote:
    > About Dakota wrote:
    >
    >> This was on today's local news.
    >>
    >> http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
    >>
    >> I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    >> carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    >> incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    >> Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    >> Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for
    >> theur Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped
    >> working for some of us...
    >>
    >> It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    >> with other (GSM) carriers.
    >>
    >> About Dakota
    >>

    > They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
    > iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
    >





  6. #6
    Stanley Cline
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    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas

    On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:59:34 -0500, About Dakota
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
    >supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the


    The i2000 phones only do GSM900 for international roaming; they do
    *not* do GSM1900, used in the US.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune



  7. #7
    Stanley Cline
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas

    On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:59:34 -0500, About Dakota
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
    >supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the


    The i2000 phones only do GSM900 for international roaming; they do
    *not* do GSM1900, used in the US.

    -SC
    --
    Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
    ....
    "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might
    be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune



  8. #8
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas


    "About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
    > supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
    > GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
    > advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
    > carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
    > but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
    >
    > Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
    >


    Sprint PCS owns licenses in North and South Dakota. They have active towers
    along the eastern border following the interstate and throught the Fargo
    area (what is that, about 90% of the states population?).

    Tom Veldhouse





  9. #9
    Thomas T. Veldhouse
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas


    "About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
    > supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
    > GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
    > advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
    > carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
    > but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
    >
    > Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
    >


    Sprint PCS owns licenses in North and South Dakota. They have active towers
    along the eastern border following the interstate and throught the Fargo
    area (what is that, about 90% of the states population?).

    Tom Veldhouse





  10. #10
    Sterling
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas

    That's so dumb.. why build an iDEN or a GSM network?

    CDMA is the ONLY way to go!
    It's also alot easier to deploy in new network construction!

    "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > About Dakota wrote:
    > > This was on today's local news.
    > >
    > > http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
    > >
    > > I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    > > carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    > > incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    > > Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    > > Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
    > > Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
    > > some of us...
    > >
    > > It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    > > with other (GSM) carriers.
    > >
    > > About Dakota
    > >

    > They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
    > iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
    >






  11. #11
    Sterling
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas

    That's so dumb.. why build an iDEN or a GSM network?

    CDMA is the ONLY way to go!
    It's also alot easier to deploy in new network construction!

    "Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > About Dakota wrote:
    > > This was on today's local news.
    > >
    > > http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
    > >
    > > I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    > > carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    > > incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    > > Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    > > Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
    > > Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
    > > some of us...
    > >
    > > It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    > > with other (GSM) carriers.
    > >
    > > About Dakota
    > >

    > They are building an iDen network and will 'roam' the Nextel footprint.
    > iDen and GSM are not compatible technologies.
    >






  12. #12
    Hopper
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas


    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
    > > supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
    > > GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
    > > advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
    > > carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
    > > but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
    > >
    > > Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
    > >

    >
    > Sprint PCS owns licenses in North and South Dakota. They have active

    towers
    > along the eastern border following the interstate and throught the Fargo
    > area (what is that, about 90% of the states population?).
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >


    South Dakota is in a unique situation with regards to Sprint PCS service.
    All the SPCS service in the state is provided by Swiftel, a local telephone
    company located in Brookings, SD. Unlike any other SPCS affiliate, Sprint
    disaggregated spectrum to Swiftel for its use. In ALL other situations,
    Sprint controls the spectrum and merely provides it for affiliate use.

    Rather, in South Dakota, this community-owned telco owns the spectrum, the
    towers, operates all the SPCS stores in the state. What they do not do is
    handle customer service, for the most part, or billing issues.

    Refer to this map http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/spcs_map.html to see
    the unique situation.

    Sprint PCS still controls a significant portion of the spectrum, even in the
    BTAs where they have disaggregated some to Swiftel. Using 2000 Census data,
    the areas in SD where Sprint PCS provides service have 320,909 people. That
    is roughly forty-five percent of the state's population, but less than
    twenty-five percent of its area.

    Hopper






  13. #13
    Hopper
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas


    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > I know they are different technologies, but the i2000 and i2000plus are
    > > supposedly dual-mode iDEN and GSM. I'm not sure what frequencies the
    > > GSM is compatible with, but I would guess at least GSM 1800 since it is
    > > advertised that it will work worldwide. There are a few small GSM
    > > carriers that operate in North Dakota (it's actually Minnesota overlap,
    > > but I'm not sure what spectrum licenses they have either).
    > >
    > > Thanks for your comment, I needed to clarify my roaming statement.
    > >

    >
    > Sprint PCS owns licenses in North and South Dakota. They have active

    towers
    > along the eastern border following the interstate and throught the Fargo
    > area (what is that, about 90% of the states population?).
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >


    South Dakota is in a unique situation with regards to Sprint PCS service.
    All the SPCS service in the state is provided by Swiftel, a local telephone
    company located in Brookings, SD. Unlike any other SPCS affiliate, Sprint
    disaggregated spectrum to Swiftel for its use. In ALL other situations,
    Sprint controls the spectrum and merely provides it for affiliate use.

    Rather, in South Dakota, this community-owned telco owns the spectrum, the
    towers, operates all the SPCS stores in the state. What they do not do is
    handle customer service, for the most part, or billing issues.

    Refer to this map http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/spcs_map.html to see
    the unique situation.

    Sprint PCS still controls a significant portion of the spectrum, even in the
    BTAs where they have disaggregated some to Swiftel. Using 2000 Census data,
    the areas in SD where Sprint PCS provides service have 320,909 people. That
    is roughly forty-five percent of the state's population, but less than
    twenty-five percent of its area.

    Hopper






  14. #14
    Hopper
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas


    "About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > This was on today's local news.
    >
    > http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
    >
    > I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    > carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    > incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    > Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    > Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
    > Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
    > some of us...
    >
    > It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    > with other (GSM) carriers.
    >
    > About Dakota


    Extend America may have an ambitious idea, but like many other rural-based
    providers, I don't see much future in them. They will be starting only in
    Bismark, and perhaps branching out. Despite their bold assertions, I don't
    see any future beyond an esoteric market, or roaming revenues from Nextel
    national travelers.

    The service will not be Nextel-branded. National Nextel customers will have
    more advantageous pricing than Extend America. Such trends are readily
    illustrated by the small carriers that Verizon uses for extended network
    coverage.

    For example: Midwest Wireless customers pay more per minute and have less
    features per dollar than the Verizon customers who roam in MWW's network.

    With Extend America being the only iDEN carrier in the area, why incentive
    would they have to offer large amounts of off-peak minutes, national long
    distance, or other features? Who competes with them?

    Having lived in small towns for years, I've grown highly suspicious of
    claims that Local is Better. I get no better service when shopping for goods
    here in town than I do ordering online or driving an hour down the
    interstate. The prices are higher, the service comparable, selection worse,
    and attitudes generally more irritating. Too often local businesses berate
    those who shop around with claims of "You're not Supporting Your Community."
    To which I reply: you take advantage of the community.

    Unfortunately, I'm suspicious of Extend America.

    Hopper





  15. #15
    Hopper
    Guest

    Re: Extend America...Extending Technology to Rural Areas


    "About Dakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > This was on today's local news.
    >
    > http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=2011
    >
    > I think that Extend America will quickly surpass all other wireless
    > carriers in this state. After all, it's the only wireless company
    > incorporated North Dakota. The only two "statewide" carriers are
    > Western Wireless Licence LLC d/b/a CellularOne (West) and Verizon
    > Wireless (and affiliates). CellularOne has a 1-800 # (or 611) for theur
    > Customer Care(less) and Verizon Wireless has already stopped working for
    > some of us...
    >
    > It is still unclear what roaming agreements (if any) will be in place
    > with other (GSM) carriers.
    >
    > About Dakota


    Extend America may have an ambitious idea, but like many other rural-based
    providers, I don't see much future in them. They will be starting only in
    Bismark, and perhaps branching out. Despite their bold assertions, I don't
    see any future beyond an esoteric market, or roaming revenues from Nextel
    national travelers.

    The service will not be Nextel-branded. National Nextel customers will have
    more advantageous pricing than Extend America. Such trends are readily
    illustrated by the small carriers that Verizon uses for extended network
    coverage.

    For example: Midwest Wireless customers pay more per minute and have less
    features per dollar than the Verizon customers who roam in MWW's network.

    With Extend America being the only iDEN carrier in the area, why incentive
    would they have to offer large amounts of off-peak minutes, national long
    distance, or other features? Who competes with them?

    Having lived in small towns for years, I've grown highly suspicious of
    claims that Local is Better. I get no better service when shopping for goods
    here in town than I do ordering online or driving an hour down the
    interstate. The prices are higher, the service comparable, selection worse,
    and attitudes generally more irritating. Too often local businesses berate
    those who shop around with claims of "You're not Supporting Your Community."
    To which I reply: you take advantage of the community.

    Unfortunately, I'm suspicious of Extend America.

    Hopper





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