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  1. #46
    Al Klein
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    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?


    Not if it's implemented properly. Verizon isn't quite there yet.



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  2. #47
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?


    Not if it's implemented properly. Verizon isn't quite there yet.



  3. #48
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Ray Dios wrote:
    >> Forget PTT, that is trivial, you don't PTT when calling 911!
    >> COVERAGE should be the foremost thing on anyone's mind when contracting with
    >> a cell phone carrier. Remember, low rates and promotions / free phones tend
    >> to cloud ones ability to reason when shopping for service. (Sprint and other
    >> carriers other than Verizon, Nextel,Cingular and AT$T are good at this)
    >> Your families lives could depend on it !
    >> If you have a wife and children, shouldn't they should be equipped with a
    >> phone that has the best coverage in the US?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?
    >

    PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    plans...(c;

    Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



  4. #49
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Ray Dios wrote:
    >> Forget PTT, that is trivial, you don't PTT when calling 911!
    >> COVERAGE should be the foremost thing on anyone's mind when contracting with
    >> a cell phone carrier. Remember, low rates and promotions / free phones tend
    >> to cloud ones ability to reason when shopping for service. (Sprint and other
    >> carriers other than Verizon, Nextel,Cingular and AT$T are good at this)
    >> Your families lives could depend on it !
    >> If you have a wife and children, shouldn't they should be equipped with a
    >> phone that has the best coverage in the US?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?
    >

    PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    plans...(c;

    Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!



    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



  5. #50
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Ray Dios wrote:
    >>
    >>>Forget PTT, that is trivial, you don't PTT when calling 911!
    >>>COVERAGE should be the foremost thing on anyone's mind when contracting with
    >>>a cell phone carrier. Remember, low rates and promotions / free phones tend
    >>>to cloud ones ability to reason when shopping for service. (Sprint and other
    >>>carriers other than Verizon, Nextel,Cingular and AT$T are good at this)
    >>>Your families lives could depend on it !
    >>>If you have a wife and children, shouldn't they should be equipped with a
    >>>phone that has the best coverage in the US?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?
    >>

    >
    > PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    > plans...(c;
    >
    > Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.




  6. #51
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:00:36 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Ray Dios wrote:
    >>
    >>>Forget PTT, that is trivial, you don't PTT when calling 911!
    >>>COVERAGE should be the foremost thing on anyone's mind when contracting with
    >>>a cell phone carrier. Remember, low rates and promotions / free phones tend
    >>>to cloud ones ability to reason when shopping for service. (Sprint and other
    >>>carriers other than Verizon, Nextel,Cingular and AT$T are good at this)
    >>>Your families lives could depend on it !
    >>>If you have a wife and children, shouldn't they should be equipped with a
    >>>phone that has the best coverage in the US?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>Would you say PTT is more trivial than a camera phone?
    >>

    >
    > PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    > plans...(c;
    >
    > Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.




  7. #52
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:44:55 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    >employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    >anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.
    >

    That is its only advantage. I still think anyone needing PTT would be
    much better off on a trunked radio system with much more powerful
    walkies that have telephone interconnect than these FRAGILE little toy
    phones the employees crawling under houses can destroy in a week.
    I've seen good ol Motorola trunked radios that look like someone drove
    a Bradley Fighting Vehicle over that still work just fine....even with
    the top half of the antenna missing and the spring wires sticking
    out....(c;





    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



  8. #53
    Larry W4CSC
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:44:55 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    >employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    >anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.
    >

    That is its only advantage. I still think anyone needing PTT would be
    much better off on a trunked radio system with much more powerful
    walkies that have telephone interconnect than these FRAGILE little toy
    phones the employees crawling under houses can destroy in a week.
    I've seen good ol Motorola trunked radios that look like someone drove
    a Bradley Fighting Vehicle over that still work just fine....even with
    the top half of the antenna missing and the spring wires sticking
    out....(c;





    Larry W4CSC

    3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?



  9. #54
    Jay R. Ashworth
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    Stanley settled back into the couch, and
    Larry W4CSC <[email protected]> said to him:
    > Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!


    You've never worked with PTT extensively, have you?

    Full duplex is *not* a complete substitute, by any stretch.

    Cheers,
    -- jra
    --
    Jay R. Ashworth [email protected]
    Member of the Technical Staff Baylink
    The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
    Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

    God, unlike Anya, is fond of bunnies. -- Chelsea Christenson



  10. #55
    Jay R. Ashworth
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    Stanley settled back into the couch, and
    Larry W4CSC <[email protected]> said to him:
    > Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!


    You've never worked with PTT extensively, have you?

    Full duplex is *not* a complete substitute, by any stretch.

    Cheers,
    -- jra
    --
    Jay R. Ashworth [email protected]
    Member of the Technical Staff Baylink
    The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think
    Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274

    God, unlike Anya, is fond of bunnies. -- Chelsea Christenson



  11. #56
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:36:54 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    >plans...(c;


    Same with Verizon's $39 plan. M2M, N+W are all unlimited.

    >Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!


    Round table? A few words every 5 minutes? There are certain
    advantages in a few limited cases.



  12. #57
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:36:54 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >PTT is moot with Alltel giving away unlimited M2M for $39 700 minute
    >plans...(c;


    Same with Verizon's $39 plan. M2M, N+W are all unlimited.

    >Who needs PTT when full duplex is UNLIMITED?!


    Round table? A few words every 5 minutes? There are certain
    advantages in a few limited cases.



  13. #58
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:18:47 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >That is its only advantage. I still think anyone needing PTT would be
    >much better off on a trunked radio system with much more powerful
    >walkies that have telephone interconnect than these FRAGILE little toy
    >phones the employees crawling under houses can destroy in a week.
    >I've seen good ol Motorola trunked radios that look like someone drove
    >a Bradley Fighting Vehicle over that still work just fine....even with
    >the top half of the antenna missing and the spring wires sticking
    >out....(c;


    Until you have to go 3 states over. Then you need a cell phone or a
    short contract with another repeater owner. Unless you're a ham and
    aren't going to discuss business.



  14. #59
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:18:47 GMT, [email protected] (Larry W4CSC) posted
    in alt.cellular.verizon:

    >That is its only advantage. I still think anyone needing PTT would be
    >much better off on a trunked radio system with much more powerful
    >walkies that have telephone interconnect than these FRAGILE little toy
    >phones the employees crawling under houses can destroy in a week.
    >I've seen good ol Motorola trunked radios that look like someone drove
    >a Bradley Fighting Vehicle over that still work just fine....even with
    >the top half of the antenna missing and the spring wires sticking
    >out....(c;


    Until you have to go 3 states over. Then you need a cell phone or a
    short contract with another repeater owner. Unless you're a ham and
    aren't going to discuss business.



  15. #60
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: One Good Reason?

    Larry W4CSC wrote:
    > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:44:55 GMT, Scott Stephenson
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Not really true- with one PTT, I can get a message to my entire group of
    >>employees, no matter where I am or they are (group call). Don't think
    >>anybody offers this as an easy duplex option.
    >>

    >
    > That is its only advantage. I still think anyone needing PTT would be
    > much better off on a trunked radio system with much more powerful
    > walkies that have telephone interconnect than these FRAGILE little toy
    > phones the employees crawling under houses can destroy in a week.
    > I've seen good ol Motorola trunked radios that look like someone drove
    > a Bradley Fighting Vehicle over that still work just fine....even with
    > the top half of the antenna missing and the spring wires sticking
    > out....(c;
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Larry W4CSC
    >
    > 3600 planes with transponders are burning 8-10 million
    > gallons of kerosene per hour over the USA. R-12 car air
    > conditioners are responsible for the ozone hole, right?

    sounds like the Nextel i700 or their new version (i58 I think). Both
    built to military standards. I used to drop my i700 off my belt quite
    frequently, and it would bounce about 18 inches in the air. Never had a
    problem.




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