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  1. #46
    John
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    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings

    "Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > John wrote:
    > > That's the point. I *want* to get reasonable assurance (testing out the
    > > service) before jumping the fence (porting the number). That's what the
    > > whole 14 day return period is about. Don't you normally test drive a

    new
    > > car before you trade in your old one?

    >
    > Actually, no, I don't test drive these days. I figure if I don't know
    > enough about the car's condition and drivability to already want it,
    > I've got no business buying it. If I did decide to test drive, it'd
    > have to be for at least a week or longer, certainly long enough to do
    > a really swell road trip - and the only way that's gonna happen is to
    > rent one similar enough to make it worthwhile. But that's about cars
    > which have no returnability if it turns out I just don't like how it
    > drives. Cingular offers a 14 day bail-out clause in all new
    > contracts, but if it's a ported number, what'cha gonna do? port it
    > back? I suppose you could. Or, you could rent a Cingular phone for a
    > while until you've determined it's value - sorta like my vacation test
    > drive in a rental.


    The whole point is that I don't want to port my number, and then have to do
    it again because the coverage is unacceptable. Whether I rent a phone or
    buy it with the option of returning it within 14 days, I don't care.
    However, Cingular, or any other company, doesn't rent phones. I just want
    to make sure the coverage is acceptable in the areas I need it to be before
    I spend the time and effort to port my number. The alternative is to buy a
    phone, try it out for 2 weeks, and then return it. If the service is
    acceptable, then buy another phone, this time porting over the number at the
    outset. That's just more effort for me, and a money loser for the phone
    company.

    BTW, your vacation rental is the same thing as a test drive. The point is
    you actually got in that model and got the "feel" of it.





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  2. #47
    John
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    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings

    "Jer" <gdunn[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > John wrote:
    > > That's the point. I *want* to get reasonable assurance (testing out the
    > > service) before jumping the fence (porting the number). That's what the
    > > whole 14 day return period is about. Don't you normally test drive a

    new
    > > car before you trade in your old one?

    >
    > Actually, no, I don't test drive these days. I figure if I don't know
    > enough about the car's condition and drivability to already want it,
    > I've got no business buying it. If I did decide to test drive, it'd
    > have to be for at least a week or longer, certainly long enough to do
    > a really swell road trip - and the only way that's gonna happen is to
    > rent one similar enough to make it worthwhile. But that's about cars
    > which have no returnability if it turns out I just don't like how it
    > drives. Cingular offers a 14 day bail-out clause in all new
    > contracts, but if it's a ported number, what'cha gonna do? port it
    > back? I suppose you could. Or, you could rent a Cingular phone for a
    > while until you've determined it's value - sorta like my vacation test
    > drive in a rental.


    The whole point is that I don't want to port my number, and then have to do
    it again because the coverage is unacceptable. Whether I rent a phone or
    buy it with the option of returning it within 14 days, I don't care.
    However, Cingular, or any other company, doesn't rent phones. I just want
    to make sure the coverage is acceptable in the areas I need it to be before
    I spend the time and effort to port my number. The alternative is to buy a
    phone, try it out for 2 weeks, and then return it. If the service is
    acceptable, then buy another phone, this time porting over the number at the
    outset. That's just more effort for me, and a money loser for the phone
    company.

    BTW, your vacation rental is the same thing as a test drive. The point is
    you actually got in that model and got the "feel" of it.





  3. #48
    Arthur Dent
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    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings


    "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Does anyone have an estimate on how long will it take from the first call

    to
    > when the number is completely transferred over?
    >

    Supposedly, cellco to cellco ports will take up to around 3 or 4 hours, not
    days or weeks. Landline to cellco ports, however, will take days, if it
    will really be possible in Nov. The port is done automagically thru
    different systems. I also hear there will be systems which will monitor the
    status of the port.





  4. #49
    Arthur Dent
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    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings


    "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Does anyone have an estimate on how long will it take from the first call

    to
    > when the number is completely transferred over?
    >

    Supposedly, cellco to cellco ports will take up to around 3 or 4 hours, not
    days or weeks. Landline to cellco ports, however, will take days, if it
    will really be possible in Nov. The port is done automagically thru
    different systems. I also hear there will be systems which will monitor the
    status of the port.





  5. #50
    Arthur Dent
    Guest

    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings


    "John Andrews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Exactly.. and why should they?
    >

    Because holding a number hostage will not lessen any carrier's chance of
    someone not paying a bill. If someone is going to run out, they will run
    out regardless.

    I doubt a carrier will be able to keep a number if any bill is not paid,
    since the carrier will not know that the customer is porting a number till
    it recieves a porting request from another carrier. After the port is
    complete the customer's account is still open, but without a number. If a
    bill or ETF needs to be paid, it will be settled after the number is ported
    out. Carriers have ways to get their money.





  6. #51
    Arthur Dent
    Guest

    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings


    "John Andrews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Exactly.. and why should they?
    >

    Because holding a number hostage will not lessen any carrier's chance of
    someone not paying a bill. If someone is going to run out, they will run
    out regardless.

    I doubt a carrier will be able to keep a number if any bill is not paid,
    since the carrier will not know that the customer is porting a number till
    it recieves a porting request from another carrier. After the port is
    complete the customer's account is still open, but without a number. If a
    bill or ETF needs to be paid, it will be settled after the number is ported
    out. Carriers have ways to get their money.





  7. #52
    Jer
    Guest

    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings

    John wrote:


    > The whole point is that I don't want to port my number, and then have to do
    > it again because the coverage is unacceptable. Whether I rent a phone or
    > buy it with the option of returning it within 14 days, I don't care.
    > However, Cingular, or any other company, doesn't rent phones. I just want
    > to make sure the coverage is acceptable in the areas I need it to be before
    > I spend the time and effort to port my number. The alternative is to buy a
    > phone, try it out for 2 weeks, and then return it. If the service is
    > acceptable, then buy another phone, this time porting over the number at the
    > outset. That's just more effort for me, and a money loser for the phone
    > company.


    Well, there's your option. Get a new phone from Cingular, use it for
    14 day eval purposes. Then cancel. Make decision. Sorta like a
    girlfriend (or boyfriend), except in my book, they get 30 days.


    >
    > BTW, your vacation rental is the same thing as a test drive. The point is
    > you actually got in that model and got the "feel" of it.


    Yeah, it is the same thing, yet I've never actually done it - though
    that option is available to anyone.



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    what we know." -- Richard Wilbur




  8. #53
    Jer
    Guest

    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings

    John wrote:


    > The whole point is that I don't want to port my number, and then have to do
    > it again because the coverage is unacceptable. Whether I rent a phone or
    > buy it with the option of returning it within 14 days, I don't care.
    > However, Cingular, or any other company, doesn't rent phones. I just want
    > to make sure the coverage is acceptable in the areas I need it to be before
    > I spend the time and effort to port my number. The alternative is to buy a
    > phone, try it out for 2 weeks, and then return it. If the service is
    > acceptable, then buy another phone, this time porting over the number at the
    > outset. That's just more effort for me, and a money loser for the phone
    > company.


    Well, there's your option. Get a new phone from Cingular, use it for
    14 day eval purposes. Then cancel. Make decision. Sorta like a
    girlfriend (or boyfriend), except in my book, they get 30 days.


    >
    > BTW, your vacation rental is the same thing as a test drive. The point is
    > you actually got in that model and got the "feel" of it.


    Yeah, it is the same thing, yet I've never actually done it - though
    that option is available to anyone.



    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten' ICQ = 35253273
    "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    what we know." -- Richard Wilbur




  9. #54
    Phill.
    Guest

    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings

    In article <[email protected]>, Jer <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Well, there's your option. Get a new phone from Cingular, use it for
    > 14 day eval purposes. Then cancel. Make decision. Sorta like a
    > girlfriend (or boyfriend), except in my book, they get 30 days.


    Except there a lots of charges. Likely you're into a 2nd billing period,
    for which they'll charge you in full, then there's the "nonrefundable"
    activation charge".

    Cellular companies all pull that trick. Start you with a full billing
    period one week in, so you'll get charged Extra if you quit after 14
    days.



  10. #55
    Phill.
    Guest

    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings

    In article <[email protected]>, Jer <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Well, there's your option. Get a new phone from Cingular, use it for
    > 14 day eval purposes. Then cancel. Make decision. Sorta like a
    > girlfriend (or boyfriend), except in my book, they get 30 days.


    Except there a lots of charges. Likely you're into a 2nd billing period,
    for which they'll charge you in full, then there's the "nonrefundable"
    activation charge".

    Cellular companies all pull that trick. Start you with a full billing
    period one week in, so you'll get charged Extra if you quit after 14
    days.



  11. #56
    Jer
    Guest

    Re: news:Cingular Offers Number Portability Warnings

    Phill. wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Jer <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Well, there's your option. Get a new phone from Cingular, use it for
    >>14 day eval purposes. Then cancel. Make decision. Sorta like a
    >>girlfriend (or boyfriend), except in my book, they get 30 days.

    >
    >
    > Except there a lots of charges. Likely you're into a 2nd billing period,
    > for which they'll charge you in full, then there's the "nonrefundable"
    > activation charge".
    >
    > Cellular companies all pull that trick. Start you with a full billing
    > period one week in, so you'll get charged Extra if you quit after 14
    > days.



    Well, whoever said an education was free?

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    "All that we do is touched with ocean, yet we remain on the shore of
    what we know." -- Richard Wilbur




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