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In alt.cellular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wow, that's a shock, some asshole leaves my tagline on a message along with
> text the jerk I was arguing with, and you take his comments as what I
> wrote?. I used to think you were an allright person, but your idiotic
> statement shows what an asshole you are.

Actually, I'm referring to your obnoxious reply to me implying that I must
be some kind of un-American twit because I said you overreacted to the guy in
Denver, who thinks that *the DNC law is not strong enough.*

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In alt.cellular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wow, that's a shock, some asshole leaves my tagline on a message along with
> text the jerk I was arguing with, and you take his comments as what I
> wrote?. I used to think you were an allright person, but your idiotic
> statement shows what an asshole you are.

Actually, I'm referring to your obnoxious reply to me implying that I must
be some kind of un-American twit because I said you overreacted to the guy in
Denver, who thinks that *the DNC law is not strong enough.*

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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >history shows that every president that has taken the country into war
>has
> >never been re-elected
> >i'd like to see if this prophecy comes true
>
> Apparently history was _not_ your best subject. Lincoln, Wilson, and
> F.D. Roosevelt immediately come to mind. Wilson may not truly belong on
> the list because he took the US into WWI after his re-election, I'm
> including him because his campaign slogan for the 1916 election was "He
> kept us out of war".

What's going on here? The same post from two different identities?

Tom Veldhouse

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >history shows that every president that has taken the country into war
>has
> >never been re-elected
> >i'd like to see if this prophecy comes true
>
> Apparently history was _not_ your best subject. Lincoln, Wilson, and
> F.D. Roosevelt immediately come to mind. Wilson may not truly belong on
> the list because he took the US into WWI after his re-election, I'm
> including him because his campaign slogan for the 1916 election was "He
> kept us out of war".

What's going on here? The same post from two different identities?

Tom Veldhouse

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In alt.cellular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Wow, that's a shock, some asshole leaves my tagline on a message along
with
> > text the jerk I was arguing with, and you take his comments as what I
> > wrote?. I used to think you were an allright person, but your idiotic
> > statement shows what an asshole you are.
>
> Actually, I'm referring to your obnoxious reply to me implying that I must
> be some kind of un-American twit because I said you overreacted to the guy
in
> Denver, who thinks that *the DNC law is not strong enough.*
>
> --
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> 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
> Steve Sobol, Proprietor
> 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]

Looking in my sent file I do NOT see anything that was sent by me, must be
someone else that left my from line on there and you assumed it was me.

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In alt.cellular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Wow, that's a shock, some asshole leaves my tagline on a message along
with
> > text the jerk I was arguing with, and you take his comments as what I
> > wrote?. I used to think you were an allright person, but your idiotic
> > statement shows what an asshole you are.
>
> Actually, I'm referring to your obnoxious reply to me implying that I must
> be some kind of un-American twit because I said you overreacted to the guy
in
> Denver, who thinks that *the DNC law is not strong enough.*
>
> --
> JustThe.net Internet & Multimedia Services
> 22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
> Steve Sobol, Proprietor
> 888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]

Looking in my sent file I do NOT see anything that was sent by me, must be
someone else that left my from line on there and you assumed it was me.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >history shows that every president that has taken the country into war
>has
> >never been re-elected
> >i'd like to see if this prophecy comes true
>
> Apparently history was _not_ your best subject. Lincoln, Wilson, and
> F.D. Roosevelt immediately come to mind. Wilson may not truly belong on
> the list because he took the US into WWI after his re-election, I'm
> including him because his campaign slogan for the 1916 election was "He
> kept us out of war".

yes you are correct. I should have rephrased and posted : history shows that
every president that has taken the country into war has never fully served a
re-election.
very similar to the omen of each president elected in a "xxx0" meeting a
horrible death. (in the case of Reagan, he survived the assassin's bullet).

are the electors votes public? i'd like to know who the "unfaithful"
electors are that messed up the last presidential election. (popular vote
and electoral college votes didn't match up)

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >history shows that every president that has taken the country into war
>has
> >never been re-elected
> >i'd like to see if this prophecy comes true
>
> Apparently history was _not_ your best subject. Lincoln, Wilson, and
> F.D. Roosevelt immediately come to mind. Wilson may not truly belong on
> the list because he took the US into WWI after his re-election, I'm
> including him because his campaign slogan for the 1916 election was "He
> kept us out of war".

yes you are correct. I should have rephrased and posted : history shows that
every president that has taken the country into war has never fully served a
re-election.
very similar to the omen of each president elected in a "xxx0" meeting a
horrible death. (in the case of Reagan, he survived the assassin's bullet).

are the electors votes public? i'd like to know who the "unfaithful"
electors are that messed up the last presidential election. (popular vote
and electoral college votes didn't match up)

In alt.cellular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Looking in my sent file I do NOT see anything that was sent by me, must be
> someone else that left my from line on there and you assumed it was me.

If it was a forgery - and we're not talking about a misattributed quote here,
we're talking about someone using "Peter Pan <[email protected]>" as
the From: address on their posts - perhaps you should look into it. I will
temporarily retract my previous statement until I can verify whether it was
indeed you or not. If it wasn't, I apologize for jumping the gun. But I'll
go look later.

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In alt.cellular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Looking in my sent file I do NOT see anything that was sent by me, must be
> someone else that left my from line on there and you assumed it was me.

If it was a forgery - and we're not talking about a misattributed quote here,
we're talking about someone using "Peter Pan <[email protected]>" as
the From: address on their posts - perhaps you should look into it. I will
temporarily retract my previous statement until I can verify whether it was
indeed you or not. If it wasn't, I apologize for jumping the gun. But I'll
go look later.

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22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
Steve Sobol, Proprietor
888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]

In alt.cellular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is that the one you mean? If so, note the smiley face used to signify
> sarcasm/humor (at the end of the past.. I use while some others use <G>)

I don't think so, but I have to go search Google Groups. Is your hotmail
address deliverable (if I do the obvious to de-spam the address)?

If so, if I find anything I will e-mail you - we're probably rather offtopic
at this point.

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In alt.cellular Peter Pan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is that the one you mean? If so, note the smiley face used to signify
> sarcasm/humor (at the end of the past.. I use while some others use <G>)

I don't think so, but I have to go search Google Groups. Is your hotmail
address deliverable (if I do the obvious to de-spam the address)?

If so, if I find anything I will e-mail you - we're probably rather offtopic
at this point.

--
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Steve Sobol, Proprietor
888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]

Paul,

I understand where you are comming from about the racial slur, However
it was ment to mean the illegal aliens, I have no problem with anyone
who comes into the US legally by any means, However I do have a problem
with the strain the illgeal aleins are putting on the US goverments
(local, state, and federal) the outright refusal to learn english, The
one thing I have always liked about other 1st world countries (not just
Canada either) is you either speak the language, FLUENTLY, or you are
not given a visa. The US is the only country I have ever dealt with in
my life that will let people come across illegally, then give them
drivers licenses?! What's with that!!??? I know several hispanics,
mexican and not who have fount and gotten legal citizenship, it has
taken them many years to do it, but in the same respect, I have met
twice as many who come to the US, get cash, and go back to whatever
country they came from, Be it Mexico, Cuba, Central & South America, as
well as Greece, Italty or Poland, So it's not just a rip on Hispanics,
although I see more hispanics and arabs than any other culture comming
into the US for $ to return back to where they are from. I know one guy
personally, and I gripe at him every day... he was a doctor in Mexico,
is a bus boy here, and just wants the cash and is going back to Mexico.

I think either way you slice it, it sucks for both sides, Mexican &
Hispanics are getting a rep for taking over the country and taking jobs
away, and the ones who are truly US citizens who were born and raised
here with hispanic origins can't get a job because the ones willing to
work for less than minium wage exist.

Every political expert I know said that the job market would open in a
new york second if the US passed a law that is the equivilent of
Quebec's French First law... in Quebec *EVERYTHING* is in french, and
you have to request, *IN FRENCH* to conduct any business in english..
and the tongue police will shut businesses down for not having signs in
french first, (PS...ATMS in Quebec are 100% French!!!, no back door for
a english promt!)

If the US went to a English *ONLY* system, those who were legal in this
country would already understand enough english to survive, those who
weren't would go back, or learn

My great grandparents didn't speak english when they came here, but they
learned, You're of hispanic origin, So yor family tree eventully learned
english,

The polish, irish, chinese and koreans have all learned english, to the
best of their ability, they have learned to conduct business outside of
their neighborhoods they have to learn english... Why can't the
hispanics grasp that?

The icing of the cake is when my lover, a 100% Mexican, parents
immigrated legally, stood at the Chicago "Mexican Indipendance day
parade" and yelled to these people in spanish to go back to Mexico he
believes that while you should be proud of your heritiage, you sould
only celebrate the indipendance of the country you are loyal to, and
would join the military for... I celebrate July 1st, not July 4th, You
do the math

Colby
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[email protected] (Paul Z. Delgado) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Well well... There are certain things that you have said that I do in
> fact agree with, such as the fact that the U.S. is a country that has
> established itself through aggression and warfare (i.e. the War for
> Independence, etc.); but one thing you have to realize is that the
> people that came over here from England were settlers coming to a
> foreign land that was extremely dangerous and unforgiving. It came to be
> in our nature to be good at warfare because most had to fight for their
> mere existence in the early days. (BTW, I am in no way saying it was
> right to wage all-out war on the American Indians and slaughter them,
> however I am just stating the facts. There are reasons that the U.S. has
> the "cowboy" attitude, whether they are perceived to be "good" reasons
> or not.)
>
> The other statements you made in your posts have been well covered by
> others, so I choose not to bother to comment on them in turn. However,
> there is one comment you made that seems to have been overlooked by
> everyone else...
>
> >And just remember. the US is a republic, because minority's >rights are protected in republics. that's why all the wet >backs are allowed in the US
>
> I am referring to your ridiculously bigoted treatment of Mexicans. You
> are obviously gay, considering how you rant on and on about homosexuals'
> rights being infringed upon by the US government and religious
> institutions here in America. Your being a homosexual I have no issue
> with; that is your right, your choice, your lifestyle. Fine. But how
> dare you go on and on about how prejudiced this country is against
> homosexuals, and then turn around and use a racial slur when referring
> to Mexican people. This makes you look like a complete and total fool
> who is incapable of applying the same reasoning you use, when discussing
> your own rights as a homosexual, to the rights of racial minorities. I
> am not a Mexican myself, but I am indeed Hispanic and I am proud of my
> heritage. I am absolutely appalled by your total lack of decency by
> using such an ignorant slur. Now, I am not the type of person who can't
> take a joke here and there, I do not insist on people around me being
> "politically correct" in everything they say; but when you go on and on
> about how much you are suffering because the government in the US seems
> to have a problem with letting two men marry, and then you say something
> so ignorant about Mexicans... frankly, it pisses me off. You just made
> yourself look stupid and bigoted, while complaining that the government
> is bigoted towards gays.
>
> Congratulations, you have made a total ass of yourself. Please, do
> refrain from posting to this newsgroup anymore. I find you repulsive and
> ignorant... and not because of your sexuality.
>
>
> --
> Paul Z. Delgado
> Wireless Consultant
> Alltel, T-Mobile, Sprint PCS
>
> Wireless Plus
> www.wirelessflorida.net
> 813.977.8646
>
>
> djdynasty815@dieyou****ingspammers.aol.com (Colby Karrington) wrote in
> article <[email protected]>:
> > I'm dual citizen anyways, I only use the US Citizenship for convience...
> >
> > go read your current events pages, gay & lesbians are moving to Canada
> > by the ****loads.
> >
> >
> > "127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > "Colby Karrington" <djdynasty815@dieyou****ingspammers.aol.com> wrote in
> > > message news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > By the way before you slam me for my reply, understand I am a Canadian,
> > > > Secondly, the two contries have evolved in two different ways, but both
> > > > comming from the same country (England) as persucuted religious beliefs
> > > > (How screwed up can a religion be for the Brits to say "Get the ****
> > > > out)
> > > >
> > > > the US became a country by fighting, by getting in everyones face,
> > > > throwing weapons around, and confrontation, and to this day the US still
> > > > see's that as it's only option to get things solved.
> > >
> > > try to take my freedom and i will join the NRA. there are just things worth
> > > dying for.
> > >
> > > > Canada became a country by peace, commication, and neogation.
> > >
> > > and you think the USA had nothing to do with that, eh? i'm not a canadian
> > > historian but i do know the british empire had many enemies to deal with,
> > > that's why they lost the war with the americas.
> > Ahh, but what your dumb ass doesn't realize is the Brits soldiers all
> > went to Canada after the war, 99% of Canada's forming was by Citizens
> > LOYAL to the crown, and it was because of loyality and PEACE that they
> > granted Canada Comminwealth status in 1861, and then independant
> > country, in 1982
> >
> > Now if you think about it, We've got a country that's 21 years old, that
> > has more rights, and more fredoms for ALL it's citizens, including
> > fredom of religion, and FREDOM FROM RELIGIOUS PERSUCUTION! Hmmmm that's
> > what the churches do in the US... persucute the gays.
> >
> > Also, When it comes to the US... read your facts, they couldn't even get
> > a decent constitution written until 10 years later. wrote 3 different
> > versions, signed all 3 into law, the 3rd one is the one we actually use
> > today.
> >
> > First one had no federal goverment, we were very much like the EU at
> > that time, each state did it's own thing, with a shared tax system and
> > currency, the second revision said how to collect for those taxes, and
> > how to appoint heads of office for a small federal system
> >
> > 3rd revision said the brits were right, need a heavy federal goverment.
> >
> >
> > And just remember. the US is a republic, because minority's rights are
> > protected in republics. that's why all the wet backs are allowed in the
> > US
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > There is a difference between PEACE Keeping, and POLICING
> > >
> > > yes, there is a difference between keeping the peace and enforcing the laws.
> > >
> > > > Welcome to the US, You just lost every right known to man while we check
> > > > your bags, do anal probes, blood tests, hair & urine samples... and
> > > > that's just to get an apartment in Manhattan!
> > > >
> > >
> > > eh? you must be visiting our prison system. were you convicted of a crime?
> > > go read some history books and check why there's a long line to become a
> > > U.S. citizen.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Paul,

I understand where you are comming from about the racial slur, However
it was ment to mean the illegal aliens, I have no problem with anyone
who comes into the US legally by any means, However I do have a problem
with the strain the illgeal aleins are putting on the US goverments
(local, state, and federal) the outright refusal to learn english, The
one thing I have always liked about other 1st world countries (not just
Canada either) is you either speak the language, FLUENTLY, or you are
not given a visa. The US is the only country I have ever dealt with in
my life that will let people come across illegally, then give them
drivers licenses?! What's with that!!??? I know several hispanics,
mexican and not who have fount and gotten legal citizenship, it has
taken them many years to do it, but in the same respect, I have met
twice as many who come to the US, get cash, and go back to whatever
country they came from, Be it Mexico, Cuba, Central & South America, as
well as Greece, Italty or Poland, So it's not just a rip on Hispanics,
although I see more hispanics and arabs than any other culture comming
into the US for $ to return back to where they are from. I know one guy
personally, and I gripe at him every day... he was a doctor in Mexico,
is a bus boy here, and just wants the cash and is going back to Mexico.

I think either way you slice it, it sucks for both sides, Mexican &
Hispanics are getting a rep for taking over the country and taking jobs
away, and the ones who are truly US citizens who were born and raised
here with hispanic origins can't get a job because the ones willing to
work for less than minium wage exist.

Every political expert I know said that the job market would open in a
new york second if the US passed a law that is the equivilent of
Quebec's French First law... in Quebec *EVERYTHING* is in french, and
you have to request, *IN FRENCH* to conduct any business in english..
and the tongue police will shut businesses down for not having signs in
french first, (PS...ATMS in Quebec are 100% French!!!, no back door for
a english promt!)

If the US went to a English *ONLY* system, those who were legal in this
country would already understand enough english to survive, those who
weren't would go back, or learn

My great grandparents didn't speak english when they came here, but they
learned, You're of hispanic origin, So yor family tree eventully learned
english,

The polish, irish, chinese and koreans have all learned english, to the
best of their ability, they have learned to conduct business outside of
their neighborhoods they have to learn english... Why can't the
hispanics grasp that?

The icing of the cake is when my lover, a 100% Mexican, parents
immigrated legally, stood at the Chicago "Mexican Indipendance day
parade" and yelled to these people in spanish to go back to Mexico he
believes that while you should be proud of your heritiage, you sould
only celebrate the indipendance of the country you are loyal to, and
would join the military for... I celebrate July 1st, not July 4th, You
do the math

Colby
--



[email protected] (Paul Z. Delgado) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Well well... There are certain things that you have said that I do in
> fact agree with, such as the fact that the U.S. is a country that has
> established itself through aggression and warfare (i.e. the War for
> Independence, etc.); but one thing you have to realize is that the
> people that came over here from England were settlers coming to a
> foreign land that was extremely dangerous and unforgiving. It came to be
> in our nature to be good at warfare because most had to fight for their
> mere existence in the early days. (BTW, I am in no way saying it was
> right to wage all-out war on the American Indians and slaughter them,
> however I am just stating the facts. There are reasons that the U.S. has
> the "cowboy" attitude, whether they are perceived to be "good" reasons
> or not.)
>
> The other statements you made in your posts have been well covered by
> others, so I choose not to bother to comment on them in turn. However,
> there is one comment you made that seems to have been overlooked by
> everyone else...
>
> >And just remember. the US is a republic, because minority's >rights are protected in republics. that's why all the wet >backs are allowed in the US
>
> I am referring to your ridiculously bigoted treatment of Mexicans. You
> are obviously gay, considering how you rant on and on about homosexuals'
> rights being infringed upon by the US government and religious
> institutions here in America. Your being a homosexual I have no issue
> with; that is your right, your choice, your lifestyle. Fine. But how
> dare you go on and on about how prejudiced this country is against
> homosexuals, and then turn around and use a racial slur when referring
> to Mexican people. This makes you look like a complete and total fool
> who is incapable of applying the same reasoning you use, when discussing
> your own rights as a homosexual, to the rights of racial minorities. I
> am not a Mexican myself, but I am indeed Hispanic and I am proud of my
> heritage. I am absolutely appalled by your total lack of decency by
> using such an ignorant slur. Now, I am not the type of person who can't
> take a joke here and there, I do not insist on people around me being
> "politically correct" in everything they say; but when you go on and on
> about how much you are suffering because the government in the US seems
> to have a problem with letting two men marry, and then you say something
> so ignorant about Mexicans... frankly, it pisses me off. You just made
> yourself look stupid and bigoted, while complaining that the government
> is bigoted towards gays.
>
> Congratulations, you have made a total ass of yourself. Please, do
> refrain from posting to this newsgroup anymore. I find you repulsive and
> ignorant... and not because of your sexuality.
>
>
> --
> Paul Z. Delgado
> Wireless Consultant
> Alltel, T-Mobile, Sprint PCS
>
> Wireless Plus
> www.wirelessflorida.net
> 813.977.8646
>
>
> djdynasty815@dieyou****ingspammers.aol.com (Colby Karrington) wrote in
> article <[email protected]>:
> > I'm dual citizen anyways, I only use the US Citizenship for convience...
> >
> > go read your current events pages, gay & lesbians are moving to Canada
> > by the ****loads.
> >
> >
> > "127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > "Colby Karrington" <djdynasty815@dieyou****ingspammers.aol.com> wrote in
> > > message news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > By the way before you slam me for my reply, understand I am a Canadian,
> > > > Secondly, the two contries have evolved in two different ways, but both
> > > > comming from the same country (England) as persucuted religious beliefs
> > > > (How screwed up can a religion be for the Brits to say "Get the ****
> > > > out)
> > > >
> > > > the US became a country by fighting, by getting in everyones face,
> > > > throwing weapons around, and confrontation, and to this day the US still
> > > > see's that as it's only option to get things solved.
> > >
> > > try to take my freedom and i will join the NRA. there are just things worth
> > > dying for.
> > >
> > > > Canada became a country by peace, commication, and neogation.
> > >
> > > and you think the USA had nothing to do with that, eh? i'm not a canadian
> > > historian but i do know the british empire had many enemies to deal with,
> > > that's why they lost the war with the americas.
> > Ahh, but what your dumb ass doesn't realize is the Brits soldiers all
> > went to Canada after the war, 99% of Canada's forming was by Citizens
> > LOYAL to the crown, and it was because of loyality and PEACE that they
> > granted Canada Comminwealth status in 1861, and then independant
> > country, in 1982
> >
> > Now if you think about it, We've got a country that's 21 years old, that
> > has more rights, and more fredoms for ALL it's citizens, including
> > fredom of religion, and FREDOM FROM RELIGIOUS PERSUCUTION! Hmmmm that's
> > what the churches do in the US... persucute the gays.
> >
> > Also, When it comes to the US... read your facts, they couldn't even get
> > a decent constitution written until 10 years later. wrote 3 different
> > versions, signed all 3 into law, the 3rd one is the one we actually use
> > today.
> >
> > First one had no federal goverment, we were very much like the EU at
> > that time, each state did it's own thing, with a shared tax system and
> > currency, the second revision said how to collect for those taxes, and
> > how to appoint heads of office for a small federal system
> >
> > 3rd revision said the brits were right, need a heavy federal goverment.
> >
> >
> > And just remember. the US is a republic, because minority's rights are
> > protected in republics. that's why all the wet backs are allowed in the
> > US
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > There is a difference between PEACE Keeping, and POLICING
> > >
> > > yes, there is a difference between keeping the peace and enforcing the laws.
> > >
> > > > Welcome to the US, You just lost every right known to man while we check
> > > > your bags, do anal probes, blood tests, hair & urine samples... and
> > > > that's just to get an apartment in Manhattan!
> > > >
> > >
> > > eh? you must be visiting our prison system. were you convicted of a crime?
> > > go read some history books and check why there's a long line to become a
> > > U.S. citizen.
> > >
> > >
> >
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>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]

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"Colby Karrington" <djdynasty815@dieyou****ingspammers.aol.com> wrote in
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>
> Paul,
>
> I understand where you are comming from about the racial slur, However
> it was ment to mean the illegal aliens, I have no problem with anyone
> who comes into the US legally by any means, However I do have a problem
> with the strain the illgeal aleins are putting on the US goverments
> (local, state, and federal) the outright refusal to learn english,

why would they refuse to learn english?
800,000 new citizens a year with a 1mil citizenship goal a year set by the
immigration department.
only 7% are illegal aliens. saw this on lou dobbs cnn last night.

> The
> one thing I have always liked about other 1st world countries (not just
> Canada either) is you either speak the language, FLUENTLY, or you are
> not given a visa. The US is the only country I have ever dealt with in
> my life that will let people come across illegally, then give them
> drivers licenses?! What's with that!!???

can you provide a source for this? i beleive the border patrols are there
for a reason.
i doubt that illegal aliens will advertise themselves by getting a drivers
license.

>I know several hispanics,
> mexican and not who have fount and gotten legal citizenship, it has
> taken them many years to do it, but in the same respect, I have met
> twice as many who come to the US, get cash, and go back to whatever
> country they came from, Be it Mexico, Cuba, Central & South America, as
> well as Greece, Italty or Poland, So it's not just a rip on Hispanics,
> although I see more hispanics and arabs than any other culture comming
> into the US for $ to return back to where they are from. I know one guy
> personally, and I gripe at him every day... he was a doctor in Mexico,
> is a bus boy here, and just wants the cash and is going back to Mexico.

how ironic, a U.S. bus boy making more money than a Mexican doctor.

> I think either way you slice it, it sucks for both sides, Mexican &
> Hispanics are getting a rep for taking over the country and taking jobs
> away,

they are taking jobs that americans don't want to do... car wash, burger
flippers, etc..

>and the ones who are truly US citizens who were born and raised
> here with hispanic origins can't get a job because the ones willing to
> work for less than minium wage exist.

i see alot of help wanted ads in the newspaper for unskilled workers. where
do you live? i'll can research the job market for you.

> Every political expert I know said that the job market would open in a
> new york second if the US passed a law that is the equivilent of
> Quebec's French First law... in Quebec *EVERYTHING* is in french, and
> you have to request, *IN FRENCH* to conduct any business in english..
> and the tongue police will shut businesses down for not having signs in
> french first, (PS...ATMS in Quebec are 100% French!!!, no back door for
> a english promt!)

can you name a few personal political expert?
what's the difference btw a NY second and a Florida second?
freedom of speech isn't restricted to only english. good luck lobbying for a
discriminary law.

> If the US went to a English *ONLY* system, those who were legal in this
> country would already understand enough english to survive, those who
> weren't would go back, or learn

they would still be working car washes.
i hope you are making a distinction between literacy and language barriers.
i know a number of illiterate english speaking welfare recipients.

> My great grandparents didn't speak english when they came here, but they
> learned, You're of hispanic origin, So yor family tree eventully learned
> english,

according to your complaint, your grandparents shouldn't have been here in
the first place.

> The polish, irish, chinese and koreans have all learned english, to the
> best of their ability, they have learned to conduct business outside of
> their neighborhoods they have to learn english... Why can't the
> hispanics grasp that?

in a global community, you will be surprised how many foreign nations teach
english in their school systems
remember the old joke: how can you tell an american? he only speaks one
language.

> The icing of the cake is when my lover, a 100% Mexican, parents
> immigrated legally, stood at the Chicago "Mexican Indipendance day
> parade" and yelled to these people in spanish to go back to Mexico he
> believes that while you should be proud of your heritiage, you sould
> only celebrate the indipendance of the country you are loyal to, and
> would join the military for... I celebrate July 1st, not July 4th, You
> do the math

what are you saying? he doesn't have the right to free speech in public?

> Colby

living in a free country has it's disadvantages.
one is you have the right to be miserable and ***** about it.