What happened to all of the Verizon PTT advertising?

David Domanski wrote:


>
> Not really. School is back in session and Verizon sees a bigger revenue
> from students returning to school using Camera Phones rather than PTT
> phones.

Then where are the ads? They spent a ****load of money advertising a
'warmed over' (sound familiar?) product like PTT, but their next big thing
doesn't merit mention in their national advertising. Not even a press
release outlining a change in their advertising scheme- something they do
everytime a new series of commercials is in production.



>
> PTT is squarely aimed at Business to Business consumers, Verizon
> Wireless wants in the business segment more and its making great headway
> into the Business Sector with PTT services.

Sure- and that's why they advertised PTT with their CONSUMER PRICE PLANS and
not their business plans.

THey banked on PTT, lost, and now are scrambling to pick up the pieces. End
of story.

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Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> David Domanski wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> Then where are the ads? They spent a ****load of money advertising a
> 'warmed over' (sound familiar?) product like PTT, but their next big thing
> doesn't merit mention in their national advertising. Not even a press
> release outlining a change in their advertising scheme- something they do
> everytime a new series of commercials is in production.
>
>
You assume too much.....I said warmed over NOT referring to Verizon's
endeavor into PTT services but PTT service itself. Nextel has
advertised it and advertised it for years and years. Its been in the
market for almost a decade and has not gone through many useful
improvements besides Nextels move for National Direct Connect and
Verizon Wireless's Push To Talk service. The attitude most consumers
take when they hear Push to Talk, 2-way, Direct Connect is less than
favorable IMHO.

>
> >
> > PTT is squarely aimed at Business to Business consumers, Verizon
> > Wireless wants in the business segment more and its making great headway
> > into the Business Sector with PTT services.
>
> Sure- and that's why they advertised PTT with their CONSUMER PRICE PLANS and
> not their business plans.
>>>
>
>
>
And thats why its listed under "For Business" on VerizonWireless.com?
Not to mention all of the pre-release info i have about PTT service said
its aimed squarely at BUSINESS CONSUMERS. Remember there are MANY MANY
smaller businesses that pay $50, $60, $70+ dollars per month per line.
Don't make the immediate assumption that since the plans are tagged
'consumer' plans that it is solely aimed at Consumers like you.
Businesses are also consumers. I had a customer come into my store who
is the general manager for a local Car Dealership who wanted 14 PTT
phones for him and his employees. I had another customer come in
looking for 10 PTT phones. I could go on and on...ofcourse there are
the occasional regular consumer who either had Nextel and liked the
concept but hated the service coverage so they came to Verizon. I can't
explain enough though BUSINESSES ARE CONSUMERS.
>
> THey banked on PTT, lost, and now are scrambling to pick up the pieces. End
> of story.
>
>
>

How can you say that so confidently? Do you work for Verizon's Sales
and Marketing staff? Didn't Think so. Scrambling to pick up the
pieces? Eh maybe...only time will tell PTT has only been on the Verizon
Network for just over 30 days. I'll also refer back to Camera Phones,
most people through my business team have or will shortly have Picture
phones, many have Nextels but now are looking for Picture phones. And
since Picture phones are availble with cheaper plans, and from more
wireless providers more people will get camera phones than PTT or DC
phones.

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Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> David Domanski wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> Then where are the ads? They spent a ****load of money advertising a
> 'warmed over' (sound familiar?) product like PTT, but their next big thing
> doesn't merit mention in their national advertising. Not even a press
> release outlining a change in their advertising scheme- something they do
> everytime a new series of commercials is in production.
>
>
You assume too much.....I said warmed over NOT referring to Verizon's
endeavor into PTT services but PTT service itself. Nextel has
advertised it and advertised it for years and years. Its been in the
market for almost a decade and has not gone through many useful
improvements besides Nextels move for National Direct Connect and
Verizon Wireless's Push To Talk service. The attitude most consumers
take when they hear Push to Talk, 2-way, Direct Connect is less than
favorable IMHO.

>
> >
> > PTT is squarely aimed at Business to Business consumers, Verizon
> > Wireless wants in the business segment more and its making great headway
> > into the Business Sector with PTT services.
>
> Sure- and that's why they advertised PTT with their CONSUMER PRICE PLANS and
> not their business plans.
>>>
>
>
>
And thats why its listed under "For Business" on VerizonWireless.com?
Not to mention all of the pre-release info i have about PTT service said
its aimed squarely at BUSINESS CONSUMERS. Remember there are MANY MANY
smaller businesses that pay $50, $60, $70+ dollars per month per line.
Don't make the immediate assumption that since the plans are tagged
'consumer' plans that it is solely aimed at Consumers like you.
Businesses are also consumers. I had a customer come into my store who
is the general manager for a local Car Dealership who wanted 14 PTT
phones for him and his employees. I had another customer come in
looking for 10 PTT phones. I could go on and on...ofcourse there are
the occasional regular consumer who either had Nextel and liked the
concept but hated the service coverage so they came to Verizon. I can't
explain enough though BUSINESSES ARE CONSUMERS.
>
> THey banked on PTT, lost, and now are scrambling to pick up the pieces. End
> of story.
>
>
>

How can you say that so confidently? Do you work for Verizon's Sales
and Marketing staff? Didn't Think so. Scrambling to pick up the
pieces? Eh maybe...only time will tell PTT has only been on the Verizon
Network for just over 30 days. I'll also refer back to Camera Phones,
most people through my business team have or will shortly have Picture
phones, many have Nextels but now are looking for Picture phones. And
since Picture phones are availble with cheaper plans, and from more
wireless providers more people will get camera phones than PTT or DC
phones.

[posted via phonescoop.com]

David Domanski wrote:

>
>
> Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
>> David Domanski wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> Then where are the ads? They spent a ****load of money advertising a
>> 'warmed over' (sound familiar?) product like PTT, but their next big
>> thing
>> doesn't merit mention in their national advertising. Not even a press
>> release outlining a change in their advertising scheme- something they do
>> everytime a new series of commercials is in production.
>>
>>
> You assume too much.....I said warmed over NOT referring to Verizon's
> endeavor into PTT services but PTT service itself. Nextel has
> advertised it and advertised it for years and years. Its been in the
> market for almost a decade and has not gone through many useful
> improvements besides Nextels move for National Direct Connect and
> Verizon Wireless's Push To Talk service. The attitude most consumers
> take when they hear Push to Talk, 2-way, Direct Connect is less than
> favorable IMHO.

So let me get this right- a product that has lived out its useful life, and
that is not wanted by consumers. And still, Verizon pumped as ton of money
into product development, rollout and advertisement. Makes sense? I think
not.

And Verizon PTT is an improvement? Please explain, because my sides hurt
from all of the laughing.



>>
> And thats why its listed under "For Business" on VerizonWireless.com?
> Not to mention all of the pre-release info i have about PTT service said
> its aimed squarely at BUSINESS CONSUMERS. Remember there are MANY MANY
> smaller businesses that pay $50, $60, $70+ dollars per month per line.

And they're paying too much.


> Don't make the immediate assumption that since the plans are tagged
> 'consumer' plans that it is solely aimed at Consumers like you.
> Businesses are also consumers. I had a customer come into my store who
> is the general manager for a local Car Dealership who wanted 14 PTT
> phones for him and his employees. I had another customer come in
> looking for 10 PTT phones. I could go on and on...ofcourse there are
> the occasional regular consumer who either had Nextel and liked the
> concept but hated the service coverage so they came to Verizon. I can't
> explain enough though BUSINESSES ARE CONSUMERS.

Yeah, I know- Verizon PTT is going to dig into Nextel's subscriber base. I
guess that means the JD Edwards report that came out today, upgrading
Nextel adds for the third quarter by 20%, is just a smoke screen.



>>
>
> How can you say that so confidently? Do you work for Verizon's Sales
> and Marketing staff? Didn't Think so.

Don't need to be a marketing genius to see this. Verizon makes a huge deal
about PTT before the launch, puts it on the market with some major bugs
that should have been caught in testing and fixed before rollout, plays
down the latency issue (only to have it come up in every independent review
of the product), and dumps a ton of money into a very intense advertising
campaign. Then, within a week of being sued by Nextel, the advertising
stops, and now camera phones are the next big thing.


Scrambling to pick up the
> pieces? Eh maybe...only time will tell PTT has only been on the Verizon
> Network for just over 30 days. I'll also refer back to Camera Phones,
> most people through my business team have or will shortly have Picture
> phones, many have Nextels but now are looking for Picture phones. And
> since Picture phones are availble with cheaper plans, and from more
> wireless providers more people will get camera phones than PTT or DC
> phones.
>

Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where are
the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year old
ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows and
cornfields with his new camera phone?

And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at the
expense of the domestic market?

David Domanski wrote:

>
>
> Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
>> David Domanski wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> Then where are the ads? They spent a ****load of money advertising a
>> 'warmed over' (sound familiar?) product like PTT, but their next big
>> thing
>> doesn't merit mention in their national advertising. Not even a press
>> release outlining a change in their advertising scheme- something they do
>> everytime a new series of commercials is in production.
>>
>>
> You assume too much.....I said warmed over NOT referring to Verizon's
> endeavor into PTT services but PTT service itself. Nextel has
> advertised it and advertised it for years and years. Its been in the
> market for almost a decade and has not gone through many useful
> improvements besides Nextels move for National Direct Connect and
> Verizon Wireless's Push To Talk service. The attitude most consumers
> take when they hear Push to Talk, 2-way, Direct Connect is less than
> favorable IMHO.

So let me get this right- a product that has lived out its useful life, and
that is not wanted by consumers. And still, Verizon pumped as ton of money
into product development, rollout and advertisement. Makes sense? I think
not.

And Verizon PTT is an improvement? Please explain, because my sides hurt
from all of the laughing.



>>
> And thats why its listed under "For Business" on VerizonWireless.com?
> Not to mention all of the pre-release info i have about PTT service said
> its aimed squarely at BUSINESS CONSUMERS. Remember there are MANY MANY
> smaller businesses that pay $50, $60, $70+ dollars per month per line.

And they're paying too much.


> Don't make the immediate assumption that since the plans are tagged
> 'consumer' plans that it is solely aimed at Consumers like you.
> Businesses are also consumers. I had a customer come into my store who
> is the general manager for a local Car Dealership who wanted 14 PTT
> phones for him and his employees. I had another customer come in
> looking for 10 PTT phones. I could go on and on...ofcourse there are
> the occasional regular consumer who either had Nextel and liked the
> concept but hated the service coverage so they came to Verizon. I can't
> explain enough though BUSINESSES ARE CONSUMERS.

Yeah, I know- Verizon PTT is going to dig into Nextel's subscriber base. I
guess that means the JD Edwards report that came out today, upgrading
Nextel adds for the third quarter by 20%, is just a smoke screen.



>>
>
> How can you say that so confidently? Do you work for Verizon's Sales
> and Marketing staff? Didn't Think so.

Don't need to be a marketing genius to see this. Verizon makes a huge deal
about PTT before the launch, puts it on the market with some major bugs
that should have been caught in testing and fixed before rollout, plays
down the latency issue (only to have it come up in every independent review
of the product), and dumps a ton of money into a very intense advertising
campaign. Then, within a week of being sued by Nextel, the advertising
stops, and now camera phones are the next big thing.


Scrambling to pick up the
> pieces? Eh maybe...only time will tell PTT has only been on the Verizon
> Network for just over 30 days. I'll also refer back to Camera Phones,
> most people through my business team have or will shortly have Picture
> phones, many have Nextels but now are looking for Picture phones. And
> since Picture phones are availble with cheaper plans, and from more
> wireless providers more people will get camera phones than PTT or DC
> phones.
>

Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where are
the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year old
ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows and
cornfields with his new camera phone?

And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at the
expense of the domestic market?

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> So let me get this right- a product that has lived out its useful life, and
> that is not wanted by consumers. And still, Verizon pumped as ton of money
> into product development, rollout and advertisement. Makes sense? I think
> not.
>
> And Verizon PTT is an improvement? Please explain, because my sides hurt
> from all of the laughing.
>
>
> And they're paying too much.
>
>
>


Ever think that not EVERY business uses a shared plan option?


>
>
> Yeah, I know- Verizon PTT is going to dig into Nextel's subscriber base. I
> guess that means the JD Edwards report that came out today, upgrading
> Nextel adds for the third quarter by 20%, is just a smoke screen.
>
>
>

Good for Nextel. More than likely without Verizon's PTT service that
number would have been higher. Why do nothing but critcize the
'latency' problem with Verizon's PTT? Have you even used it? Seen It
in action? At least Verizon PTT is useable in a quality area unlike
Nextels.

The feedback i personally have got from Real Customers with PTT haven't
had much to complain about. Some may say "its 'slower' than Nextel but
at least it works where i need it to work."



>
>
>
>
> Don't need to be a marketing genius to see this. Verizon makes a huge deal
> about PTT before the launch, puts it on the market with some major bugs
> that should have been caught in testing and fixed before rollout, plays
> down the latency issue (only to have it come up in every independent review
> of the product), and dumps a ton of money into a very intense advertising
> campaign. Then, within a week of being sued by Nextel, the advertising
> stops, and now camera phones are the next big thing.
>
>

Major Bugs? Other than extremely picky people considering the 'latency'
or delay being a HUGE HUGE problem what other issues does PTT have?
Please indulge me. The phone is great, the phone service is incredible,
the PTT service is more than acceptable.

Hmmm....well more than likely if the advertising for PTT was stopped is
either because Verizon felt Camera phones would sell better to the kids
returning to school or the Courts told them to put a hold on the
advertising until the case was sorted out. Happens frequently, its much
like getting a speeding ticket if you take it to court its not in effect
until AFTER the precedings have taken place.

And yes IMO Camera Phones ARE the big thing now. 5 Major Carriers now
sell Camera Phones serving a HUGE customer base.

One HUGE thing to think about also particularly with Camera Phones
unlike Nextel DC and Verizon PTT you can send and receive pictures from
ANY OTHER CARRIERS PICTURE PHONE.


> Scrambling to pick up the
> > pieces? Eh maybe...only time will tell PTT has only been on the Verizon
> > Network for just over 30 days. I'll also refer back to Camera Phones,
> > most people through my business team have or will shortly have Picture
> > phones, many have Nextels but now are looking for Picture phones. And
> > since Picture phones are availble with cheaper plans, and from more
> > wireless providers more people will get camera phones than PTT or DC
> > phones.
> >
>
> Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where are
> the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year old
> ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows and
> cornfields with his new camera phone?
>
> And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
> Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at the
> expense of the domestic market?
>

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> So let me get this right- a product that has lived out its useful life, and
> that is not wanted by consumers. And still, Verizon pumped as ton of money
> into product development, rollout and advertisement. Makes sense? I think
> not.
>
> And Verizon PTT is an improvement? Please explain, because my sides hurt
> from all of the laughing.
>
>
> And they're paying too much.
>
>
>


Ever think that not EVERY business uses a shared plan option?


>
>
> Yeah, I know- Verizon PTT is going to dig into Nextel's subscriber base. I
> guess that means the JD Edwards report that came out today, upgrading
> Nextel adds for the third quarter by 20%, is just a smoke screen.
>
>
>

Good for Nextel. More than likely without Verizon's PTT service that
number would have been higher. Why do nothing but critcize the
'latency' problem with Verizon's PTT? Have you even used it? Seen It
in action? At least Verizon PTT is useable in a quality area unlike
Nextels.

The feedback i personally have got from Real Customers with PTT haven't
had much to complain about. Some may say "its 'slower' than Nextel but
at least it works where i need it to work."



>
>
>
>
> Don't need to be a marketing genius to see this. Verizon makes a huge deal
> about PTT before the launch, puts it on the market with some major bugs
> that should have been caught in testing and fixed before rollout, plays
> down the latency issue (only to have it come up in every independent review
> of the product), and dumps a ton of money into a very intense advertising
> campaign. Then, within a week of being sued by Nextel, the advertising
> stops, and now camera phones are the next big thing.
>
>

Major Bugs? Other than extremely picky people considering the 'latency'
or delay being a HUGE HUGE problem what other issues does PTT have?
Please indulge me. The phone is great, the phone service is incredible,
the PTT service is more than acceptable.

Hmmm....well more than likely if the advertising for PTT was stopped is
either because Verizon felt Camera phones would sell better to the kids
returning to school or the Courts told them to put a hold on the
advertising until the case was sorted out. Happens frequently, its much
like getting a speeding ticket if you take it to court its not in effect
until AFTER the precedings have taken place.

And yes IMO Camera Phones ARE the big thing now. 5 Major Carriers now
sell Camera Phones serving a HUGE customer base.

One HUGE thing to think about also particularly with Camera Phones
unlike Nextel DC and Verizon PTT you can send and receive pictures from
ANY OTHER CARRIERS PICTURE PHONE.


> Scrambling to pick up the
> > pieces? Eh maybe...only time will tell PTT has only been on the Verizon
> > Network for just over 30 days. I'll also refer back to Camera Phones,
> > most people through my business team have or will shortly have Picture
> > phones, many have Nextels but now are looking for Picture phones. And
> > since Picture phones are availble with cheaper plans, and from more
> > wireless providers more people will get camera phones than PTT or DC
> > phones.
> >
>
> Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where are
> the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year old
> ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows and
> cornfields with his new camera phone?
>
> And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
> Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at the
> expense of the domestic market?
>

[posted via phonescoop.com]

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Scott Stephenson wrote:


> Yeah- OK. They spent all that money for a product that had a shelf life of
> a month. I don't that even the most diehard Verizon posters are buying
> that.


For such a strong statement, it looks like your original post was more
posturing for an argument than it was a genuine question.

If you want my opinion (and if you're a good troll then I *know* you
do), Verizon prudently stopped hyping up the PTT feature because of the
lawsuits. They already have all the advertising they need, and I'm more
than willing to bet that Nextel will gain nothing from their expenditure.

Another theory could be that Verizon is waiting to improve on their PTT
service before they continue to hype it up. Seems reasonable: fix the
weaknesses that the detractors are jabbing at, and then continue the big
advertising campaign when all the criticisms are moot.

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Scott Stephenson wrote:


> Yeah- OK. They spent all that money for a product that had a shelf life of
> a month. I don't that even the most diehard Verizon posters are buying
> that.


For such a strong statement, it looks like your original post was more
posturing for an argument than it was a genuine question.

If you want my opinion (and if you're a good troll then I *know* you
do), Verizon prudently stopped hyping up the PTT feature because of the
lawsuits. They already have all the advertising they need, and I'm more
than willing to bet that Nextel will gain nothing from their expenditure.

Another theory could be that Verizon is waiting to improve on their PTT
service before they continue to hype it up. Seems reasonable: fix the
weaknesses that the detractors are jabbing at, and then continue the big
advertising campaign when all the criticisms are moot.

David Domanski wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>
> Good for Nextel. More than likely without Verizon's PTT service that
> number would have been higher. Why do nothing but critcize the
> 'latency' problem with Verizon's PTT? Have you even used it? Seen It
> in action? At least Verizon PTT is useable in a quality area unlike
> Nextels.
>
> The feedback i personally have got from Real Customers with PTT haven't
> had much to complain about. Some may say "its 'slower' than Nextel but
> at least it works where i need it to work."
>

You want to hear my experience with the PTT? Walked into a Verizon store a
little over three weeks ago and inquired about the product. They showed me
the phone and explained the functionality. I asjked if they could give me
a demonstration, and was told it would be no problem- they could call
another store on the other side of town. After three attempts to connect
(a total of about three minutes), the salesperson explained that it must be
the battery in the phone, and went to the back. A few minutes later, he
returns with a different phone. On the fourth attempt (fourth attempt with
this phone), he finally connects- roughly fifteen seconds later (I was
doing my best to count) the beep arrives and he starts talking. Somewhere
in the vicinity of 25 seconds after he ends his side of the conversation,
here comes the response- starting in mid sentence. In fact, every response
was like that- it was obvious that the salesperson on the other end bought
the Verizon line and started talking as soon as she pressed the button
(didn't wait for the beep). And did I mention that the session
mysteriously disconnected three times during the conversation, causing them
to go through the whole call setup process all over again?

Add that to your list of Potential customers who do see the problems.


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't need to be a marketing genius to see this. Verizon makes a huge
>> deal about PTT before the launch, puts it on the market with some major
>> bugs that should have been caught in testing and fixed before rollout,
>> plays down the latency issue (only to have it come up in every
>> independent review of the product), and dumps a ton of money into a very
>> intense advertising
>> campaign. Then, within a week of being sued by Nextel, the advertising
>> stops, and now camera phones are the next big thing.
>>
>>
>
> Major Bugs? Other than extremely picky people considering the 'latency'
> or delay being a HUGE HUGE problem what other issues does PTT have?
> Please indulge me. The phone is great, the phone service is incredible,
> the PTT service is more than acceptable.

See my comments above- and I'm not picky. I just expect to get the product
as advertised.



>
> Hmmm....well more than likely if the advertising for PTT was stopped is
> either because Verizon felt Camera phones would sell better to the kids
> returning to school or the Courts told them to put a hold on the
> advertising until the case was sorted out. Happens frequently, its much
> like getting a speeding ticket if you take it to court its not in effect
> until AFTER the precedings have taken place.

Haven't seen any action by the court. Matter of fact, haven't seen a
response to the suit from Verizon, which is horribly out of character for
them.


>
> And yes IMO Camera Phones ARE the big thing now. 5 Major Carriers now
> sell Camera Phones serving a HUGE customer base.
>
> One HUGE thing to think about also particularly with Camera Phones
> unlike Nextel DC and Verizon PTT you can send and receive pictures from
> ANY OTHER CARRIERS PICTURE PHONE.

Great- I'm sure the Peeping Toms, Child Molesters and Sexual Deviants are
snatching them up by the thousands.

>> >
>>
>> Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where
>> are
>> the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year
>> old ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows
>> and cornfields with his new camera phone?
>>
>> And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
>> Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at
>> the expense of the domestic market?
>>
>

I guess you missed this last part- I'm still waiting to hear the company
line on this.

David Domanski wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>
> Good for Nextel. More than likely without Verizon's PTT service that
> number would have been higher. Why do nothing but critcize the
> 'latency' problem with Verizon's PTT? Have you even used it? Seen It
> in action? At least Verizon PTT is useable in a quality area unlike
> Nextels.
>
> The feedback i personally have got from Real Customers with PTT haven't
> had much to complain about. Some may say "its 'slower' than Nextel but
> at least it works where i need it to work."
>

You want to hear my experience with the PTT? Walked into a Verizon store a
little over three weeks ago and inquired about the product. They showed me
the phone and explained the functionality. I asjked if they could give me
a demonstration, and was told it would be no problem- they could call
another store on the other side of town. After three attempts to connect
(a total of about three minutes), the salesperson explained that it must be
the battery in the phone, and went to the back. A few minutes later, he
returns with a different phone. On the fourth attempt (fourth attempt with
this phone), he finally connects- roughly fifteen seconds later (I was
doing my best to count) the beep arrives and he starts talking. Somewhere
in the vicinity of 25 seconds after he ends his side of the conversation,
here comes the response- starting in mid sentence. In fact, every response
was like that- it was obvious that the salesperson on the other end bought
the Verizon line and started talking as soon as she pressed the button
(didn't wait for the beep). And did I mention that the session
mysteriously disconnected three times during the conversation, causing them
to go through the whole call setup process all over again?

Add that to your list of Potential customers who do see the problems.


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't need to be a marketing genius to see this. Verizon makes a huge
>> deal about PTT before the launch, puts it on the market with some major
>> bugs that should have been caught in testing and fixed before rollout,
>> plays down the latency issue (only to have it come up in every
>> independent review of the product), and dumps a ton of money into a very
>> intense advertising
>> campaign. Then, within a week of being sued by Nextel, the advertising
>> stops, and now camera phones are the next big thing.
>>
>>
>
> Major Bugs? Other than extremely picky people considering the 'latency'
> or delay being a HUGE HUGE problem what other issues does PTT have?
> Please indulge me. The phone is great, the phone service is incredible,
> the PTT service is more than acceptable.

See my comments above- and I'm not picky. I just expect to get the product
as advertised.



>
> Hmmm....well more than likely if the advertising for PTT was stopped is
> either because Verizon felt Camera phones would sell better to the kids
> returning to school or the Courts told them to put a hold on the
> advertising until the case was sorted out. Happens frequently, its much
> like getting a speeding ticket if you take it to court its not in effect
> until AFTER the precedings have taken place.

Haven't seen any action by the court. Matter of fact, haven't seen a
response to the suit from Verizon, which is horribly out of character for
them.


>
> And yes IMO Camera Phones ARE the big thing now. 5 Major Carriers now
> sell Camera Phones serving a HUGE customer base.
>
> One HUGE thing to think about also particularly with Camera Phones
> unlike Nextel DC and Verizon PTT you can send and receive pictures from
> ANY OTHER CARRIERS PICTURE PHONE.

Great- I'm sure the Peeping Toms, Child Molesters and Sexual Deviants are
snatching them up by the thousands.

>> >
>>
>> Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where
>> are
>> the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year
>> old ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows
>> and cornfields with his new camera phone?
>>
>> And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
>> Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at
>> the expense of the domestic market?
>>
>

I guess you missed this last part- I'm still waiting to hear the company
line on this.

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> >
>
> You want to hear my experience with the PTT? Walked into a Verizon store a
> little over three weeks ago and inquired about the product. They showed me
> the phone and explained the functionality. I asjked if they could give me
> a demonstration, and was told it would be no problem- they could call
> another store on the other side of town. After three attempts to connect
> (a total of about three minutes), the salesperson explained that it must be
> the battery in the phone, and went to the back. A few minutes later, he
> returns with a different phone. On the fourth attempt (fourth attempt with
> this phone), he finally connects- roughly fifteen seconds later (I was
> doing my best to count) the beep arrives and he starts talking. Somewhere
> in the vicinity of 25 seconds after he ends his side of the conversation,
> here comes the response- starting in mid sentence. In fact, every response
> was like that- it was obvious that the salesperson on the other end bought
> the Verizon line and started talking as soon as she pressed the button
> (didn't wait for the beep). And did I mention that the session
> mysteriously disconnected three times during the conversation, causing them
> to go through the whole call setup process all over again?
>
> Add that to your list of Potential customers who do see the problems.
>
>
> >
> >

And thats your ONLY experience? Thats like judging every Honda is a POS
when the ONLY ONE you ever owned was a lemon. PTT 'may' be slow when
compared with Nextels but its by no means THAT slow and never has been
at least in my market. I've initiated many PTT calls in my home service
area and the calls don't take more than 4-5 seconds from send to
response if that, I'd say its less than that.


> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> See my comments above- and I'm not picky. I just expect to get the product
> as advertised.
>
>
>
Picky Picky Picky. Works fine in Michigan.

> >
> >
>
> Haven't seen any action by the court. Matter of fact, haven't seen a
> response to the suit from Verizon, which is horribly out of character for
> them.
>
>

Are you ALWAYS informed of every court decision, in every case, in every
state? Didn't think so. Didn't you hear anything about WLNP between
Nextel and Sprint before Monday morning? Doubt it.

> >
> >
>
> Great- I'm sure the Peeping Toms, Child Molesters and Sexual Deviants are
> snatching them up by the thousands.
>
> >> >
> >>

Jeez, if thats how you think I hope you fall in a puddle and drown. The
majority of the country 99.9% are not like you.

Picture phones are useful for businesses, and for personal use.


> >> Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where
> >> are
> >> the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year
> >> old ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows
> >> and cornfields with his new camera phone?
> >>
> >> And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
> >> Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at
> >> the expense of the domestic market?
> >>
> >
>
> I guess you missed this last part- I'm still waiting to hear the company
> line on this.
>
>
>
>
Haven't you seen commercials for other things that have been repeated
and repeated and repeated only to go away for a year or two and only to
be rereleased? It pretty common actually for EVERY company. All that
says is hey we still have the same stuff that made us great in the first
place

Camera phones are selling at a MUCH higher rate overseas. Think about
it slick if you have 60 million people willing to get Camera Phones and
over here you got 10 million people wanting Camera Phones where would
you concentrate first?

I hope you never own your own business you don't seem to understand
everything related the profit.

Not to mention the fact that, China opening up to CDMA technology, and
Motorola investing heavily into the Chinese market to assist in its
development its no wonder they said heck with the USA because their
profit structure has SOO much more expandibility. There are likely a
few HUNDRED million people lacking quality Cellular equipment if any at
all. Do the math, whats more profitable? Sell phones here with stupid
picky ass people like you? Or sell Cellular technology in a MASSIVE
emerging market with Hundreds of Millions of BRAND NEW potential
subscribers?

And no thats NOT a 'company' line its business...profit. But then you
don't understand that.

http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/...609_23,00.html

Read.

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> >
>
> You want to hear my experience with the PTT? Walked into a Verizon store a
> little over three weeks ago and inquired about the product. They showed me
> the phone and explained the functionality. I asjked if they could give me
> a demonstration, and was told it would be no problem- they could call
> another store on the other side of town. After three attempts to connect
> (a total of about three minutes), the salesperson explained that it must be
> the battery in the phone, and went to the back. A few minutes later, he
> returns with a different phone. On the fourth attempt (fourth attempt with
> this phone), he finally connects- roughly fifteen seconds later (I was
> doing my best to count) the beep arrives and he starts talking. Somewhere
> in the vicinity of 25 seconds after he ends his side of the conversation,
> here comes the response- starting in mid sentence. In fact, every response
> was like that- it was obvious that the salesperson on the other end bought
> the Verizon line and started talking as soon as she pressed the button
> (didn't wait for the beep). And did I mention that the session
> mysteriously disconnected three times during the conversation, causing them
> to go through the whole call setup process all over again?
>
> Add that to your list of Potential customers who do see the problems.
>
>
> >
> >

And thats your ONLY experience? Thats like judging every Honda is a POS
when the ONLY ONE you ever owned was a lemon. PTT 'may' be slow when
compared with Nextels but its by no means THAT slow and never has been
at least in my market. I've initiated many PTT calls in my home service
area and the calls don't take more than 4-5 seconds from send to
response if that, I'd say its less than that.


> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> See my comments above- and I'm not picky. I just expect to get the product
> as advertised.
>
>
>
Picky Picky Picky. Works fine in Michigan.

> >
> >
>
> Haven't seen any action by the court. Matter of fact, haven't seen a
> response to the suit from Verizon, which is horribly out of character for
> them.
>
>

Are you ALWAYS informed of every court decision, in every case, in every
state? Didn't think so. Didn't you hear anything about WLNP between
Nextel and Sprint before Monday morning? Doubt it.

> >
> >
>
> Great- I'm sure the Peeping Toms, Child Molesters and Sexual Deviants are
> snatching them up by the thousands.
>
> >> >
> >>

Jeez, if thats how you think I hope you fall in a puddle and drown. The
majority of the country 99.9% are not like you.

Picture phones are useful for businesses, and for personal use.


> >> Yeah- I know. The Camera phones. IF this was the plan all along, where
> >> are
> >> the ads? Still in production? Why is it that I was subjected to year
> >> old ads this weekend, instead of Skippy The Clown taking pictures of cows
> >> and cornfields with his new camera phone?
> >>
> >> And if camera phones are supposed to be the hot item here, how is it that
> >> Motorola found it more important to concentrate on overseas phones, at
> >> the expense of the domestic market?
> >>
> >
>
> I guess you missed this last part- I'm still waiting to hear the company
> line on this.
>
>
>
>
Haven't you seen commercials for other things that have been repeated
and repeated and repeated only to go away for a year or two and only to
be rereleased? It pretty common actually for EVERY company. All that
says is hey we still have the same stuff that made us great in the first
place

Camera phones are selling at a MUCH higher rate overseas. Think about
it slick if you have 60 million people willing to get Camera Phones and
over here you got 10 million people wanting Camera Phones where would
you concentrate first?

I hope you never own your own business you don't seem to understand
everything related the profit.

Not to mention the fact that, China opening up to CDMA technology, and
Motorola investing heavily into the Chinese market to assist in its
development its no wonder they said heck with the USA because their
profit structure has SOO much more expandibility. There are likely a
few HUNDRED million people lacking quality Cellular equipment if any at
all. Do the math, whats more profitable? Sell phones here with stupid
picky ass people like you? Or sell Cellular technology in a MASSIVE
emerging market with Hundreds of Millions of BRAND NEW potential
subscribers?

And no thats NOT a 'company' line its business...profit. But then you
don't understand that.

http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/...609_23,00.html

Read.

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Isaiah Beard wrote:
>
> > Scott Stephenson wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Yeah- OK. They spent all that money for a product that had a shelf life
> >> of
> >> a month. I don't that even the most diehard Verizon posters are buying
> >> that.
> >
> >
> > For such a strong statement, it looks like your original post was more
> > posturing for an argument than it was a genuine question.
> >
> > If you want my opinion (and if you're a good troll then I *know* you
> > do), Verizon prudently stopped hyping up the PTT feature because of the
> > lawsuits. They already have all the advertising they need, and I'm more
> > than willing to bet that Nextel will gain nothing from their expenditure.
> >
> > Another theory could be that Verizon is waiting to improve on their PTT
> > service before they continue to hype it up. Seems reasonable: fix the
> > weaknesses that the detractors are jabbing at, and then continue the big
> > advertising campaign when all the criticisms are moot.
>
> You know, I wholeheartedly agree with both scenarios you mentioned. Both
> would provide the most rational and easy to understand explanations.
> Unfortunately, I've been listening to a very lame explanation revolving
> around Camera Phones being the really hot product, and the PTT is not that
> big a deal (warned over service is the term that was used).
>
> What it comes down to is a lack of ownership by Corporate America to admit
> that they screwed up, or rushed a product to market too soon. And if
> either of the situations you described are the real reason behind this, why
> not admit it? Verizon has made no comment on the lawsuit, and if they need
> to improve the product enough to stop the advertising, is it really worthy
> of peoples' hard earned money? And if this is indeed the case, doesn't
> this smell of the Microsoft philosophy of putting a product on the market,
> getting the money and then fixing it (eventually)?
>
> As I've said before, biggest is not always best, especially for the consumer
> in many cases. This whole PTT thing is proving to be a classic example of
> that, IMHO.

>
>
>
>
Agreeing with yourself?

In any case it seems I have to ***** things out for you. Verizon PTT
service itself isn't 'warmed over'. I was referring to the concept of
PTT, or Direct Connect, Walkie-Talkie Phone, 2-way, etc etc.... You are
not very bright are you?

Theories are a ***** aren't they. You people can speculate all you want
and none of you will ever know the truth behind the seemingly sudden
change to Picture Phones. Its funny that you seem to glance over the
fact that their is a little something called School that kids from
Grades k-12 and College just re-entered another year at school. Which
guess what? This happens to be the FIRST year that Verizon has had
Picture phones availible. Not to mention that there also happens to be
a "Back to School" push for the Unlimited Picture and Text messaging
package for $4.99 until 01/01/04.

Which....Oh **** guess what? Requires Verizon's Camera Phone...damn
who'd thought? Plain and simple Picture Phones are a bigger cash cow
during the month or so everyone is going back to school.

You do know that Picture phones were advertised right along with PTT
phones? Maybe not the same commercial but they have been advertised.

[posted via phonescoop.com]

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Isaiah Beard wrote:
>
> > Scott Stephenson wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Yeah- OK. They spent all that money for a product that had a shelf life
> >> of
> >> a month. I don't that even the most diehard Verizon posters are buying
> >> that.
> >
> >
> > For such a strong statement, it looks like your original post was more
> > posturing for an argument than it was a genuine question.
> >
> > If you want my opinion (and if you're a good troll then I *know* you
> > do), Verizon prudently stopped hyping up the PTT feature because of the
> > lawsuits. They already have all the advertising they need, and I'm more
> > than willing to bet that Nextel will gain nothing from their expenditure.
> >
> > Another theory could be that Verizon is waiting to improve on their PTT
> > service before they continue to hype it up. Seems reasonable: fix the
> > weaknesses that the detractors are jabbing at, and then continue the big
> > advertising campaign when all the criticisms are moot.
>
> You know, I wholeheartedly agree with both scenarios you mentioned. Both
> would provide the most rational and easy to understand explanations.
> Unfortunately, I've been listening to a very lame explanation revolving
> around Camera Phones being the really hot product, and the PTT is not that
> big a deal (warned over service is the term that was used).
>
> What it comes down to is a lack of ownership by Corporate America to admit
> that they screwed up, or rushed a product to market too soon. And if
> either of the situations you described are the real reason behind this, why
> not admit it? Verizon has made no comment on the lawsuit, and if they need
> to improve the product enough to stop the advertising, is it really worthy
> of peoples' hard earned money? And if this is indeed the case, doesn't
> this smell of the Microsoft philosophy of putting a product on the market,
> getting the money and then fixing it (eventually)?
>
> As I've said before, biggest is not always best, especially for the consumer
> in many cases. This whole PTT thing is proving to be a classic example of
> that, IMHO.

>
>
>
>
Agreeing with yourself?

In any case it seems I have to ***** things out for you. Verizon PTT
service itself isn't 'warmed over'. I was referring to the concept of
PTT, or Direct Connect, Walkie-Talkie Phone, 2-way, etc etc.... You are
not very bright are you?

Theories are a ***** aren't they. You people can speculate all you want
and none of you will ever know the truth behind the seemingly sudden
change to Picture Phones. Its funny that you seem to glance over the
fact that their is a little something called School that kids from
Grades k-12 and College just re-entered another year at school. Which
guess what? This happens to be the FIRST year that Verizon has had
Picture phones availible. Not to mention that there also happens to be
a "Back to School" push for the Unlimited Picture and Text messaging
package for $4.99 until 01/01/04.

Which....Oh **** guess what? Requires Verizon's Camera Phone...damn
who'd thought? Plain and simple Picture Phones are a bigger cash cow
during the month or so everyone is going back to school.

You do know that Picture phones were advertised right along with PTT
phones? Maybe not the same commercial but they have been advertised.

[posted via phonescoop.com]