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  1. #1
    David Sworder
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    > Well, I have no detailed theories yet, but certainly question why the
    > "architect" would have told Neo this big secret about the repeated and
    > planned Zion revolts, only to send him back home with the knowledge.
    > Obviously SOMETHING more is going on than what we have been told, and a
    > logical vague guess would be that The Matrix is far more at risk from the
    > Zion revolt than they say.
    >


    What's weird is that at the end of Part II, Neo was able to EMP the
    oncoming sentinels in the REAL world. How could this be? How could he have
    such extraordinary powers outside of the Matrix? Perhaps when he chose the
    left door in the architect's chambers, saved Trinity, etc, he never really
    left the matrix at all. In other words, perhaps the Architect has deceived
    him? We'll find out on Nov 5... and BTW, discussion of The Matrix is not off
    topic on alt.cellular.verizon because Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus use cell
    phones to contact the "operator" when they need an exit. They quite likely
    use Verizon because Cingular drops too many calls. The Agents probably use
    Cingular in their headsets though.

    David





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  2. #2
    David Sworder
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    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)


    > Well, I have no detailed theories yet, but certainly question why the
    > "architect" would have told Neo this big secret about the repeated and
    > planned Zion revolts, only to send him back home with the knowledge.
    > Obviously SOMETHING more is going on than what we have been told, and a
    > logical vague guess would be that The Matrix is far more at risk from the
    > Zion revolt than they say.
    >


    What's weird is that at the end of Part II, Neo was able to EMP the
    oncoming sentinels in the REAL world. How could this be? How could he have
    such extraordinary powers outside of the Matrix? Perhaps when he chose the
    left door in the architect's chambers, saved Trinity, etc, he never really
    left the matrix at all. In other words, perhaps the Architect has deceived
    him? We'll find out on Nov 5... and BTW, discussion of The Matrix is not off
    topic on alt.cellular.verizon because Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus use cell
    phones to contact the "operator" when they need an exit. They quite likely
    use Verizon because Cingular drops too many calls. The Agents probably use
    Cingular in their headsets though.

    David





  3. #3
    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "David Sworder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > > Well, I have no detailed theories yet, but certainly question why the
    > > "architect" would have told Neo this big secret about the repeated and
    > > planned Zion revolts, only to send him back home with the knowledge.
    > > Obviously SOMETHING more is going on than what we have been told, and a
    > > logical vague guess would be that The Matrix is far more at risk from

    the
    > > Zion revolt than they say.
    > >

    >
    > What's weird is that at the end of Part II, Neo was able to EMP the
    > oncoming sentinels in the REAL world. How could this be? How could he have
    > such extraordinary powers outside of the Matrix? Perhaps when he chose the
    > left door in the architect's chambers, saved Trinity, etc, he never really
    > left the matrix at all. In other words, perhaps the Architect has deceived
    > him? We'll find out on Nov 5...


    Well, the planted mole is a question to address. If they are inside the
    Matrix still, why all the drama over this sneaky guy?

    It's a cop-out, but I tend to feel like Neo's telekinetic powers are just a
    lame departure from the semi-science we all want out of the movies. I HOPE
    there is some "reasonable" explanation, vs. "the one" just having magic
    powers (lame).

    OTOH, a computer-minded person would not buy the simplistic argument that
    the matrix could so easily and cleanly eliminate an "anomoly" within its
    software. Especially if we follow the pre-story about robots creating the
    matrix as a power source, and we essentially have this huge computer
    simulation being run by an independent set of beings on the outside. The
    Matrix is not their loyal slave, it's just a system on which they run a
    simulation, and thus they can't automatically be expected to have complete
    control.


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  4. #4
    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "David Sworder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > > Well, I have no detailed theories yet, but certainly question why the
    > > "architect" would have told Neo this big secret about the repeated and
    > > planned Zion revolts, only to send him back home with the knowledge.
    > > Obviously SOMETHING more is going on than what we have been told, and a
    > > logical vague guess would be that The Matrix is far more at risk from

    the
    > > Zion revolt than they say.
    > >

    >
    > What's weird is that at the end of Part II, Neo was able to EMP the
    > oncoming sentinels in the REAL world. How could this be? How could he have
    > such extraordinary powers outside of the Matrix? Perhaps when he chose the
    > left door in the architect's chambers, saved Trinity, etc, he never really
    > left the matrix at all. In other words, perhaps the Architect has deceived
    > him? We'll find out on Nov 5...


    Well, the planted mole is a question to address. If they are inside the
    Matrix still, why all the drama over this sneaky guy?

    It's a cop-out, but I tend to feel like Neo's telekinetic powers are just a
    lame departure from the semi-science we all want out of the movies. I HOPE
    there is some "reasonable" explanation, vs. "the one" just having magic
    powers (lame).

    OTOH, a computer-minded person would not buy the simplistic argument that
    the matrix could so easily and cleanly eliminate an "anomoly" within its
    software. Especially if we follow the pre-story about robots creating the
    matrix as a power source, and we essentially have this huge computer
    simulation being run by an independent set of beings on the outside. The
    Matrix is not their loyal slave, it's just a system on which they run a
    simulation, and thus they can't automatically be expected to have complete
    control.


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  5. #5
    Dead_Dad
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    -----8<-----

    > The Matrix is not their loyal slave, it's just a system on which

    they run a simulation, and thus they can't automatically be expected
    to have complete control.

    Hmmmmm.....Sounds like just about /any/ system running Windows. (i.e.
    'What the hell? Why is it doing */THAT/*?!?!?!) <EG>

    Thnik about it!
    Dead_Dad





  6. #6
    Dead_Dad
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    -----8<-----

    > The Matrix is not their loyal slave, it's just a system on which

    they run a simulation, and thus they can't automatically be expected
    to have complete control.

    Hmmmmm.....Sounds like just about /any/ system running Windows. (i.e.
    'What the hell? Why is it doing */THAT/*?!?!?!) <EG>

    Thnik about it!
    Dead_Dad





  7. #7
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "David Sworder" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > and BTW, discussion of The Matrix is not off
    > topic on alt.cellular.verizon because Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus use cell
    > phones to contact the "operator" when they need an exit. They quite likely
    > use Verizon because Cingular drops too many calls. The Agents probably use
    > Cingular in their headsets though.


    Why are all the "cool" Matrix phones never available in CDMA versions?
    Kinda kills the Verizon theory... I never saw a CDMA Nokia 7100-series phone!

    (Geez, and I thought I was a nerd having "serious" Star Trek TOS discussions
    in the 70's! You Matrix guys put us to shame!) ;-)



  8. #8
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "David Sworder" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > and BTW, discussion of The Matrix is not off
    > topic on alt.cellular.verizon because Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus use cell
    > phones to contact the "operator" when they need an exit. They quite likely
    > use Verizon because Cingular drops too many calls. The Agents probably use
    > Cingular in their headsets though.


    Why are all the "cool" Matrix phones never available in CDMA versions?
    Kinda kills the Verizon theory... I never saw a CDMA Nokia 7100-series phone!

    (Geez, and I thought I was a nerd having "serious" Star Trek TOS discussions
    in the 70's! You Matrix guys put us to shame!) ;-)



  9. #9
    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "Dead_Dad" <s p a m t r a p 0 0 7 @ y a h o o . c o m> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > -----8<-----
    >
    > > The Matrix is not their loyal slave, it's just a system on which

    > they run a simulation, and thus they can't automatically be expected
    > to have complete control.
    >
    > Hmmmmm.....Sounds like just about /any/ system running Windows. (i.e.
    > 'What the hell? Why is it doing */THAT/*?!?!?!) <EG>
    >
    > Thnik about it!
    > Dead_Dad


    Exactly. Expecting the user of a system to be omniscient and omnipotent is
    more ridiculous science fiction than a matrix of unconscious electricity
    drones.


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  10. #10
    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "Dead_Dad" <s p a m t r a p 0 0 7 @ y a h o o . c o m> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > -----8<-----
    >
    > > The Matrix is not their loyal slave, it's just a system on which

    > they run a simulation, and thus they can't automatically be expected
    > to have complete control.
    >
    > Hmmmmm.....Sounds like just about /any/ system running Windows. (i.e.
    > 'What the hell? Why is it doing */THAT/*?!?!?!) <EG>
    >
    > Thnik about it!
    > Dead_Dad


    Exactly. Expecting the user of a system to be omniscient and omnipotent is
    more ridiculous science fiction than a matrix of unconscious electricity
    drones.


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  11. #11
    Carl.
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    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "David Sworder" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > > and BTW, discussion of The Matrix is not off
    > > topic on alt.cellular.verizon because Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus use

    cell
    > > phones to contact the "operator" when they need an exit. They quite

    likely
    > > use Verizon because Cingular drops too many calls. The Agents probably

    use
    > > Cingular in their headsets though.

    >
    > Why are all the "cool" Matrix phones never available in CDMA versions?
    > Kinda kills the Verizon theory... I never saw a CDMA Nokia 7100-series

    phone!
    >
    > (Geez, and I thought I was a nerd having "serious" Star Trek TOS

    discussions
    > in the 70's! You Matrix guys put us to shame!) ;-)


    The Samsung n270 (?) phone was a Sprint phone. Or was that what you were
    trying to exclude when you specified the cool ones?


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    Carl.
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "David Sworder" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    >
    > > and BTW, discussion of The Matrix is not off
    > > topic on alt.cellular.verizon because Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus use

    cell
    > > phones to contact the "operator" when they need an exit. They quite

    likely
    > > use Verizon because Cingular drops too many calls. The Agents probably

    use
    > > Cingular in their headsets though.

    >
    > Why are all the "cool" Matrix phones never available in CDMA versions?
    > Kinda kills the Verizon theory... I never saw a CDMA Nokia 7100-series

    phone!
    >
    > (Geez, and I thought I was a nerd having "serious" Star Trek TOS

    discussions
    > in the 70's! You Matrix guys put us to shame!) ;-)


    The Samsung n270 (?) phone was a Sprint phone. Or was that what you were
    trying to exclude when you specified the cool ones?


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  13. #13
    FREE COMPUTER GAMES
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    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)
    2003/Oct/22
    Carl. WROTE


    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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    FREE COMPUTER GAMES
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)
    2003/Oct/22
    Carl. WROTE


    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



  15. #15
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: I believe in America (and in the fall of human kind)

    "Carl." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

    > The Samsung n270 (?) phone was a Sprint phone. Or was that what you were
    > trying to exclude when you specified the cool ones?


    Oooops. You got me. Different celular technologies in each film? I assume the
    Matrix takes place in a reality where WNP has already taken effect? ;-)

    (Just trying to stay on topic!)



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