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  1. #46
    Bill Roland
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    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    I have 3 of those too, maybe I should haul one in and see what happens. No,
    I won't, but I bet it would wreak havoc on a lot of stuff around there. I
    do what the hospital politely asks, I turn my cell phone off at the door,
    but most people I know do not. The behavior of most Dual Mode phones I have
    seen is that the moment you walk in the hospital it switches to Analog with
    a very low signal, then you hit spots inside that have no service, others
    where you may have full strength, but its always Analog. The moment you
    step out the doors it returns to digital. I cannot explain it but it
    happens every time.

    Also, a few years back I had an aunt that had surgery at North Florida
    Regional in Gainesville. At the time they had, and still did have a few
    months ago when I was by there, a cell tower on top of the hospital. Not
    sure how good that is for all that sensitive equipment they are operating
    below...but that's their problem.

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Bill Roland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > newsADub.7066$zx.1846@lakeread03...
    > > Which is funny, I've seen many cell phones kick into Analog when inside

    > the
    > > hospital. I've seen at least 5 StarTACs do it...
    > >

    >
    > But your startac does not output 3 watts of power like the old bag phones.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >
    >






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  2. #47
    Bill Roland
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    I have 3 of those too, maybe I should haul one in and see what happens. No,
    I won't, but I bet it would wreak havoc on a lot of stuff around there. I
    do what the hospital politely asks, I turn my cell phone off at the door,
    but most people I know do not. The behavior of most Dual Mode phones I have
    seen is that the moment you walk in the hospital it switches to Analog with
    a very low signal, then you hit spots inside that have no service, others
    where you may have full strength, but its always Analog. The moment you
    step out the doors it returns to digital. I cannot explain it but it
    happens every time.

    Also, a few years back I had an aunt that had surgery at North Florida
    Regional in Gainesville. At the time they had, and still did have a few
    months ago when I was by there, a cell tower on top of the hospital. Not
    sure how good that is for all that sensitive equipment they are operating
    below...but that's their problem.

    "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Bill Roland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > newsADub.7066$zx.1846@lakeread03...
    > > Which is funny, I've seen many cell phones kick into Analog when inside

    > the
    > > hospital. I've seen at least 5 StarTACs do it...
    > >

    >
    > But your startac does not output 3 watts of power like the old bag phones.
    >
    > Tom Veldhouse
    >
    >






  3. #48
    Steven J Sobol
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    In alt.cellular Thomas M. Goethe <[email protected]> wrote:
    > The thing that is so funny is getting screeched at by one hospital
    > worker for merely having one (that was indeed turned off) as two others in
    > the same area are using theirs. When I asked, I was told they were "special"
    > ones that are safe. Hmm, looked just like the ones I had.
    >
    > Some of them even ban pagers. Of course, all of the docs and staff have
    > pagers.


    I know that back home, the hospital near our house banned two-way pagers.
    They care about the transmission of radio waves, apparently, but not the
    reception of the RF on the paging frequencies. Cell phones are prohibited
    at this particular hospital.

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  4. #49
    Steven J Sobol
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    In alt.cellular Thomas M. Goethe <[email protected]> wrote:
    > The thing that is so funny is getting screeched at by one hospital
    > worker for merely having one (that was indeed turned off) as two others in
    > the same area are using theirs. When I asked, I was told they were "special"
    > ones that are safe. Hmm, looked just like the ones I had.
    >
    > Some of them even ban pagers. Of course, all of the docs and staff have
    > pagers.


    I know that back home, the hospital near our house banned two-way pagers.
    They care about the transmission of radio waves, apparently, but not the
    reception of the RF on the paging frequencies. Cell phones are prohibited
    at this particular hospital.

    --
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    22674 Motnocab Road * Apple Valley, CA 92307-1950
    Steve Sobol, Proprietor
    888.480.4NET (4638) * 248.724.4NET * [email protected]



  5. #50
    Lawrence G. Mayka
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    "Hank Arnold" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > What is the BFD????????? The hospitals ask that you don't use a cell phone
    > in the hospital. You can do without it while you are there.... We lived
    > without it for this long. Just turn it off and concentrate on what is
    > important. The health of your loved ones....


    Concentrating on the health of your loved one is exactly why you need a CDMA
    phone in a hospital! In the hospital, your loved one is being bombarded
    with "treatment" (drugs, etc.) by various bizarre doctors who come by once a
    day (maybe), order some drugs, and leave. When you find your loved one all
    goofed up (catatonic or comatose), and the nurses don't seem to care, you
    have to track down these bizarre doctors as quickly as possible and get them
    to change their orders. Obviously, you cannot get such a doctor on the
    phone immediately--you have to leave a callback number. That's what you
    need a CDMA phone for.

    Yes, this scenario did occur when my mother was in the hospital.
    Unfortunately, the doctors were so incompetent that they put my mother not
    only into a coma but into permanent kidney failure and brain damage. She
    never fully recovered, and died within six months.





  6. #51
    Lawrence G. Mayka
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    "Hank Arnold" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > What is the BFD????????? The hospitals ask that you don't use a cell phone
    > in the hospital. You can do without it while you are there.... We lived
    > without it for this long. Just turn it off and concentrate on what is
    > important. The health of your loved ones....


    Concentrating on the health of your loved one is exactly why you need a CDMA
    phone in a hospital! In the hospital, your loved one is being bombarded
    with "treatment" (drugs, etc.) by various bizarre doctors who come by once a
    day (maybe), order some drugs, and leave. When you find your loved one all
    goofed up (catatonic or comatose), and the nurses don't seem to care, you
    have to track down these bizarre doctors as quickly as possible and get them
    to change their orders. Obviously, you cannot get such a doctor on the
    phone immediately--you have to leave a callback number. That's what you
    need a CDMA phone for.

    Yes, this scenario did occur when my mother was in the hospital.
    Unfortunately, the doctors were so incompetent that they put my mother not
    only into a coma but into permanent kidney failure and brain damage. She
    never fully recovered, and died within six months.





  7. #52
    Lawrence G. Mayka
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]...
    > nearly everywhere. This variability has made me wonder whether today's
    > cell phones actually can interfere with the functioning of patient
    > equipment. If the case were so clear-cut, I would think that all
    > hospitals would ban cell phone use anywhere near patient care areas.


    The only evidence at all I've seen of interference with sensitive equipment
    (e.g., avionics) was:

    1) Within twelve inches of the equipment

    2) single-frequency technology (analog/TDMA/GSM) instead of spread-spectrum
    (CDMA)





  8. #53
    Lawrence G. Mayka
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]...
    > nearly everywhere. This variability has made me wonder whether today's
    > cell phones actually can interfere with the functioning of patient
    > equipment. If the case were so clear-cut, I would think that all
    > hospitals would ban cell phone use anywhere near patient care areas.


    The only evidence at all I've seen of interference with sensitive equipment
    (e.g., avionics) was:

    1) Within twelve inches of the equipment

    2) single-frequency technology (analog/TDMA/GSM) instead of spread-spectrum
    (CDMA)





  9. #54
    Lawrence Glasser
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    "Lawrence G. Mayka" wrote:
    >
    > "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]...
    > > nearly everywhere. This variability has made me wonder whether today's
    > > cell phones actually can interfere with the functioning of patient
    > > equipment. If the case were so clear-cut, I would think that all
    > > hospitals would ban cell phone use anywhere near patient care areas.

    >
    > The only evidence at all I've seen of interference with sensitive equipment
    > (e.g., avionics) was:
    >
    > 1) Within twelve inches of the equipment
    >
    > 2) single-frequency technology (analog/TDMA/GSM) instead of spread-spectrum
    > (CDMA)


    One concern is the age of the hospital's monitoring/telemetry system.

    I'd image an older system is *much* more prone to interference.

    Larry



  10. #55
    Lawrence Glasser
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    "Lawrence G. Mayka" wrote:
    >
    > "Orac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]...
    > > nearly everywhere. This variability has made me wonder whether today's
    > > cell phones actually can interfere with the functioning of patient
    > > equipment. If the case were so clear-cut, I would think that all
    > > hospitals would ban cell phone use anywhere near patient care areas.

    >
    > The only evidence at all I've seen of interference with sensitive equipment
    > (e.g., avionics) was:
    >
    > 1) Within twelve inches of the equipment
    >
    > 2) single-frequency technology (analog/TDMA/GSM) instead of spread-spectrum
    > (CDMA)


    One concern is the age of the hospital's monitoring/telemetry system.

    I'd image an older system is *much* more prone to interference.

    Larry



  11. #56
    SAA
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    They are probably acting on anecdotal evidence. All it takes is a
    couple if incidents that is, rightly or wrongly, blamed on cell phones
    and the story spreads. After all if you missed something on a readout
    would you take the blame or try to pin it on something you had no
    control over such as a cell phone.

    I was recently in the hospital as part of my work. I had a handheld
    radio that puts out a lot more energy than my cell phone does and the
    frequency is in the same neigborhood as my cell phone (the range on
    the handheld radio is in excess of 20 miles). Only one of the nurses
    had a problem with me using my cell phone and none of them had any
    problems with me using my heandheld radio which between the two, the
    handheld radio would likely cause much more interference than a cell
    phone.




    On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:31:28 GMT, "Lawrence G. Mayka"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Hank Arnold" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> What is the BFD????????? The hospitals ask that you don't use a cell phone
    >> in the hospital. You can do without it while you are there.... We lived
    >> without it for this long. Just turn it off and concentrate on what is
    >> important. The health of your loved ones....

    >
    >Concentrating on the health of your loved one is exactly why you need a CDMA
    >phone in a hospital! In the hospital, your loved one is being bombarded
    >with "treatment" (drugs, etc.) by various bizarre doctors who come by once a
    >day (maybe), order some drugs, and leave. When you find your loved one all
    >goofed up (catatonic or comatose), and the nurses don't seem to care, you
    >have to track down these bizarre doctors as quickly as possible and get them
    >to change their orders. Obviously, you cannot get such a doctor on the
    >phone immediately--you have to leave a callback number. That's what you
    >need a CDMA phone for.
    >
    >Yes, this scenario did occur when my mother was in the hospital.
    >Unfortunately, the doctors were so incompetent that they put my mother not
    >only into a coma but into permanent kidney failure and brain damage. She
    >never fully recovered, and died within six months.
    >





  12. #57
    SAA
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    They are probably acting on anecdotal evidence. All it takes is a
    couple if incidents that is, rightly or wrongly, blamed on cell phones
    and the story spreads. After all if you missed something on a readout
    would you take the blame or try to pin it on something you had no
    control over such as a cell phone.

    I was recently in the hospital as part of my work. I had a handheld
    radio that puts out a lot more energy than my cell phone does and the
    frequency is in the same neigborhood as my cell phone (the range on
    the handheld radio is in excess of 20 miles). Only one of the nurses
    had a problem with me using my cell phone and none of them had any
    problems with me using my heandheld radio which between the two, the
    handheld radio would likely cause much more interference than a cell
    phone.




    On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:31:28 GMT, "Lawrence G. Mayka"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Hank Arnold" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> What is the BFD????????? The hospitals ask that you don't use a cell phone
    >> in the hospital. You can do without it while you are there.... We lived
    >> without it for this long. Just turn it off and concentrate on what is
    >> important. The health of your loved ones....

    >
    >Concentrating on the health of your loved one is exactly why you need a CDMA
    >phone in a hospital! In the hospital, your loved one is being bombarded
    >with "treatment" (drugs, etc.) by various bizarre doctors who come by once a
    >day (maybe), order some drugs, and leave. When you find your loved one all
    >goofed up (catatonic or comatose), and the nurses don't seem to care, you
    >have to track down these bizarre doctors as quickly as possible and get them
    >to change their orders. Obviously, you cannot get such a doctor on the
    >phone immediately--you have to leave a callback number. That's what you
    >need a CDMA phone for.
    >
    >Yes, this scenario did occur when my mother was in the hospital.
    >Unfortunately, the doctors were so incompetent that they put my mother not
    >only into a coma but into permanent kidney failure and brain damage. She
    >never fully recovered, and died within six months.
    >





  13. #58
    Anon
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    I don't know how critical the issue is but wouldn't you rather err on the
    safe side? It's a toy/status symbol to 99.9% of people so I don't think it's
    going to kill the able-bodied to shut off their cell for a little while.
    Common courtesy seems to be a dying breed.



  14. #59
    Anon
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    I don't know how critical the issue is but wouldn't you rather err on the
    safe side? It's a toy/status symbol to 99.9% of people so I don't think it's
    going to kill the able-bodied to shut off their cell for a little while.
    Common courtesy seems to be a dying breed.



  15. #60
    Michael
    Guest

    Re: cell phone use in hospitals

    On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:54:17 GMT, "Anon" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I don't know how critical the issue is but wouldn't you rather err on the
    >safe side? It's a toy/status symbol to 99.9% of people so I don't think it's
    >going to kill the able-bodied to shut off their cell for a little while.
    >Common courtesy seems to be a dying breed.





    Instead of arguing back and forth over whether phones cause what
    read all about it. Someone else gave this link:

    http://www.howstuffworks.com/question230.htm



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