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"John R. Copeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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"Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:04:22 -0600, Aboutdakota
> > <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
> >
> > >You have to read the FCC label on electronic deviced..."this device
must
> > >accept any interference it receives, including interference that could
> > >cause undesirable operation".
> >
> > The majority of the population either has no idea that provision
> > exists, or doesn't like it. (Hams have been facing the situation
> > since the early years of the 20th century.)
>
> I guess the lawyers will have a field day then. I just looked at 37 items
> here and not a single one has a label anything like that on it. Was at
both
> a Circuit City and a Best Buy today and not a single item at either store
> had a label on it remotely similar. I would surmise that either such a
> label/requirement does not exist, or it is not being enforced against
> hundreds of manufacturers. Seems if there is a fine associated for not
> affixing that label to products, the FCC can start prosecuting and make
> billions of dollars. Wow, it could actually be one of the few government
> agencies that have a surplus!
>
>

The label requirement is real for radio-receiving devices.
Aboutdakota's words are a direct quote from one sentence of the notice.
Did you look at 37 toasters, or something like that?
---JRC---

Nope, I'm a technojunkie, Hate cables, LCD/Plasma/CRT and projection
televisions, Wireless speaker systems (both JBL and AR), Media
transmitter/receivers, Cordless phones, Cell Phones, Jabra cordless
headsets, wireless indoor/outdoor temp/humidity displays, DirecTV and Dish
system, 802.11b&g WAP's/PCMCIA cards, USB xmitter/recievers for desktops
(standalone and plug into a USB port to make non networked computers nodes
on a wireless network) , etc. Fraid I don't want or own a toaster. Seems
like a lot of the stuff I have here are considered receivers.

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"Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I guess you don't like Bluetooth phones or cordless phones or stereo

Get a spread-spectrum cordless phone, which I think uses technology roughly
similar to the CDMA that advanced cell phones use.

"Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I guess you don't like Bluetooth phones or cordless phones or stereo

Get a spread-spectrum cordless phone, which I think uses technology roughly
similar to the CDMA that advanced cell phones use.

"Lawrence G. Mayka" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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> "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I guess you don't like Bluetooth phones or cordless phones or stereo
>=20
> Get a spread-spectrum cordless phone, which I think uses technology =
roughly
> similar to the CDMA that advanced cell phones use.
>=20
>=20

Only *very* roughly similar.
All the spread-spectrum cordless phones I've looked at use =
frequency-hopping.
No cell phones I know about use frequency-hopping to spread their =
spectrum.
---JRC---

"Lawrence G. Mayka" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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> "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I guess you don't like Bluetooth phones or cordless phones or stereo
>=20
> Get a spread-spectrum cordless phone, which I think uses technology =
roughly
> similar to the CDMA that advanced cell phones use.
>=20
>=20

Only *very* roughly similar.
All the spread-spectrum cordless phones I've looked at use =
frequency-hopping.
No cell phones I know about use frequency-hopping to spread their =
spectrum.
---JRC---

"John R. Copeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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"Lawrence G. Mayka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > I guess you don't like Bluetooth phones or cordless phones or stereo
>
> Get a spread-spectrum cordless phone, which I think uses technology
roughly
> similar to the CDMA that advanced cell phones use.
>
>

Only *very* roughly similar.
All the spread-spectrum cordless phones I've looked at use
frequency-hopping.
No cell phones I know about use frequency-hopping to spread their spectrum.
---JRC---

Spread spectrum cordless phones do not use frequency hopping, otherwise it
wouldn't be spread spectrum. These are mutually exclusive technologies.

Tom Veldhouse

"John R. Copeland" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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"Lawrence G. Mayka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Peter Pan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I guess you don't like Bluetooth phones or cordless phones or stereo
>
> Get a spread-spectrum cordless phone, which I think uses technology
roughly
> similar to the CDMA that advanced cell phones use.
>
>

Only *very* roughly similar.
All the spread-spectrum cordless phones I've looked at use
frequency-hopping.
No cell phones I know about use frequency-hopping to spread their spectrum.
---JRC---

Spread spectrum cordless phones do not use frequency hopping, otherwise it
wouldn't be spread spectrum. These are mutually exclusive technologies.

Tom Veldhouse

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:57:14 -0800, "Peter Pan"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>I guess the lawyers will have a field day then. I just looked at 37 items
>here and not a single one has a label anything like that on it. Was at both
>a Circuit City and a Best Buy today and not a single item at either store
>had a label on it remotely similar.

No FCC certification? Something like "FCC Class B certified"? OR
"FCC - For home and office use"? Nothing in the documentation either?

I would surmise that either such a
>label/requirement does not exist, or it is not being enforced against
>hundreds of manufacturers. Seems if there is a fine associated for not
>affixing that label to products, the FCC can start prosecuting and make
>billions of dollars. Wow, it could actually be one of the few government
>agencies that have a surplus!

The label doesn't have to say "must accept interference". The above
labels say it.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 00:57:14 -0800, "Peter Pan"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>I guess the lawyers will have a field day then. I just looked at 37 items
>here and not a single one has a label anything like that on it. Was at both
>a Circuit City and a Best Buy today and not a single item at either store
>had a label on it remotely similar.

No FCC certification? Something like "FCC Class B certified"? OR
"FCC - For home and office use"? Nothing in the documentation either?

I would surmise that either such a
>label/requirement does not exist, or it is not being enforced against
>hundreds of manufacturers. Seems if there is a fine associated for not
>affixing that label to products, the FCC can start prosecuting and make
>billions of dollars. Wow, it could actually be one of the few government
>agencies that have a surplus!

The label doesn't have to say "must accept interference". The above
labels say it.

Peter Pan wrote:
> "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:04:22 -0600, Aboutdakota
>><[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
>>
>>
>>>You have to read the FCC label on electronic deviced..."this device must
>>>accept any interference it receives, including interference that could
>>>cause undesirable operation".
>>
>>The majority of the population either has no idea that provision
>>exists, or doesn't like it. (Hams have been facing the situation
>>since the early years of the 20th century.)
>
>
> I guess the lawyers will have a field day then. I just looked at 37 items
> here and not a single one has a label anything like that on it. Was at both
> a Circuit City and a Best Buy today and not a single item at either store
> had a label on it remotely similar. I would surmise that either such a
> label/requirement does not exist, or it is not being enforced against
> hundreds of manufacturers. Seems if there is a fine associated for not
> affixing that label to products, the FCC can start prosecuting and make
> billions of dollars. Wow, it could actually be one of the few government
> agencies that have a surplus!

Sony Discman Model NO D-M801:
"PRODUCT COMPLIES WITH DHHS RULES 21CFR SUBCHAPTER J APPLICABLE, AT DATE
OF MANUFACTURE."

and

"THIS DEVICE COMPLIES WITH PART 15 OF THE FCC RULES. OPERATION IS
SUBJECT O THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS: (1) THIS DEVICE MAY NOT CAUSE
HARMFUL INTERFERENCE, AND (2) THIS DEVICE MUST ACCEPT ANY INTERFERENCE
RECEIVED, INCLUDING INTERFERENCE THAT MAY CAUSE UNDESIRED OPERATION."

I don't think that it is a requirement that it must be printed on every
product, but documentation must come with the product. I don't have any
label or documentation on my blender or popcorn popper. However, with
the FCC ID, you are able to find out what you need to know if you are
willing to look.

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Peter Pan wrote:
> "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:04:22 -0600, Aboutdakota
>><[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
>>
>>
>>>You have to read the FCC label on electronic deviced..."this device must
>>>accept any interference it receives, including interference that could
>>>cause undesirable operation".
>>
>>The majority of the population either has no idea that provision
>>exists, or doesn't like it. (Hams have been facing the situation
>>since the early years of the 20th century.)
>
>
> I guess the lawyers will have a field day then. I just looked at 37 items
> here and not a single one has a label anything like that on it. Was at both
> a Circuit City and a Best Buy today and not a single item at either store
> had a label on it remotely similar. I would surmise that either such a
> label/requirement does not exist, or it is not being enforced against
> hundreds of manufacturers. Seems if there is a fine associated for not
> affixing that label to products, the FCC can start prosecuting and make
> billions of dollars. Wow, it could actually be one of the few government
> agencies that have a surplus!

Sony Discman Model NO D-M801:
"PRODUCT COMPLIES WITH DHHS RULES 21CFR SUBCHAPTER J APPLICABLE, AT DATE
OF MANUFACTURE."

and

"THIS DEVICE COMPLIES WITH PART 15 OF THE FCC RULES. OPERATION IS
SUBJECT O THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS: (1) THIS DEVICE MAY NOT CAUSE
HARMFUL INTERFERENCE, AND (2) THIS DEVICE MUST ACCEPT ANY INTERFERENCE
RECEIVED, INCLUDING INTERFERENCE THAT MAY CAUSE UNDESIRED OPERATION."

I don't think that it is a requirement that it must be printed on every
product, but documentation must come with the product. I don't have any
label or documentation on my blender or popcorn popper. However, with
the FCC ID, you are able to find out what you need to know if you are
willing to look.

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"Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Peter Pan wrote:
> > "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:04:22 -0600, Aboutdakota
> >><[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You have to read the FCC label on electronic deviced..."this device
must
> >>>accept any interference it receives, including interference that could
> >>>cause undesirable operation".
> >>
> >>The majority of the population either has no idea that provision
> >>exists, or doesn't like it. (Hams have been facing the situation
> >>since the early years of the 20th century.)
> >
> >
> > I guess the lawyers will have a field day then. I just looked at 37
items
> > here and not a single one has a label anything like that on it. Was at
both
> > a Circuit City and a Best Buy today and not a single item at either
store
> > had a label on it remotely similar. I would surmise that either such a
> > label/requirement does not exist, or it is not being enforced against
> > hundreds of manufacturers. Seems if there is a fine associated for not
> > affixing that label to products, the FCC can start prosecuting and make
> > billions of dollars. Wow, it could actually be one of the few government
> > agencies that have a surplus!
>
> Sony Discman Model NO D-M801:
> "PRODUCT COMPLIES WITH DHHS RULES 21CFR SUBCHAPTER J APPLICABLE, AT DATE
> OF MANUFACTURE."
>
> and
>
> "THIS DEVICE COMPLIES WITH PART 15 OF THE FCC RULES. OPERATION IS
> SUBJECT O THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS: (1) THIS DEVICE MAY NOT CAUSE
> HARMFUL INTERFERENCE, AND (2) THIS DEVICE MUST ACCEPT ANY INTERFERENCE
> RECEIVED, INCLUDING INTERFERENCE THAT MAY CAUSE UNDESIRED OPERATION."
>
> I don't think that it is a requirement that it must be printed on every
> product, but documentation must come with the product. I don't have any
> label or documentation on my blender or popcorn popper. However, with
> the FCC ID, you are able to find out what you need to know if you are
> willing to look.
>
> AD
>
>

Isn't that a CD Player? Not something that transmits or receives? Is there
anything in fcc regs that let you transmit whatever you want?

"Aboutdakota" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Peter Pan wrote:
> > "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:04:22 -0600, Aboutdakota
> >><[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You have to read the FCC label on electronic deviced..."this device
must
> >>>accept any interference it receives, including interference that could
> >>>cause undesirable operation".
> >>
> >>The majority of the population either has no idea that provision
> >>exists, or doesn't like it. (Hams have been facing the situation
> >>since the early years of the 20th century.)
> >
> >
> > I guess the lawyers will have a field day then. I just looked at 37
items
> > here and not a single one has a label anything like that on it. Was at
both
> > a Circuit City and a Best Buy today and not a single item at either
store
> > had a label on it remotely similar. I would surmise that either such a
> > label/requirement does not exist, or it is not being enforced against
> > hundreds of manufacturers. Seems if there is a fine associated for not
> > affixing that label to products, the FCC can start prosecuting and make
> > billions of dollars. Wow, it could actually be one of the few government
> > agencies that have a surplus!
>
> Sony Discman Model NO D-M801:
> "PRODUCT COMPLIES WITH DHHS RULES 21CFR SUBCHAPTER J APPLICABLE, AT DATE
> OF MANUFACTURE."
>
> and
>
> "THIS DEVICE COMPLIES WITH PART 15 OF THE FCC RULES. OPERATION IS
> SUBJECT O THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS: (1) THIS DEVICE MAY NOT CAUSE
> HARMFUL INTERFERENCE, AND (2) THIS DEVICE MUST ACCEPT ANY INTERFERENCE
> RECEIVED, INCLUDING INTERFERENCE THAT MAY CAUSE UNDESIRED OPERATION."
>
> I don't think that it is a requirement that it must be printed on every
> product, but documentation must come with the product. I don't have any
> label or documentation on my blender or popcorn popper. However, with
> the FCC ID, you are able to find out what you need to know if you are
> willing to look.
>
> AD
>
>

Isn't that a CD Player? Not something that transmits or receives? Is there
anything in fcc regs that let you transmit whatever you want?

>>Sony Discman Model NO D-M801:
>>"PRODUCT COMPLIES WITH DHHS RULES 21CFR SUBCHAPTER J APPLICABLE, AT DATE
>>OF MANUFACTURE."
>>
>>and
>>
>>"THIS DEVICE COMPLIES WITH PART 15 OF THE FCC RULES. OPERATION IS
>>SUBJECT O THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS: (1) THIS DEVICE MAY NOT CAUSE
>>HARMFUL INTERFERENCE, AND (2) THIS DEVICE MUST ACCEPT ANY INTERFERENCE
>>RECEIVED, INCLUDING INTERFERENCE THAT MAY CAUSE UNDESIRED OPERATION."
>>
>>I don't think that it is a requirement that it must be printed on every
>>product, but documentation must come with the product. I don't have any
>>label or documentation on my blender or popcorn popper. However, with
>>the FCC ID, you are able to find out what you need to know if you are
>>willing to look.
>>
>>AD
>>
>>
>
>
> Isn't that a CD Player? Not something that transmits or receives? Is there
> anything in fcc regs that let you transmit whatever you want?
>
>

CD palyer or not, it obvisouly fell under the authority of the FCC. I'm
willing to bet that many electronics also have stipulations in the same
way. So, in other words, because a mobile phone is approved for use
does not guarantee that no interference will happen.

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>>Sony Discman Model NO D-M801:
>>"PRODUCT COMPLIES WITH DHHS RULES 21CFR SUBCHAPTER J APPLICABLE, AT DATE
>>OF MANUFACTURE."
>>
>>and
>>
>>"THIS DEVICE COMPLIES WITH PART 15 OF THE FCC RULES. OPERATION IS
>>SUBJECT O THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS: (1) THIS DEVICE MAY NOT CAUSE
>>HARMFUL INTERFERENCE, AND (2) THIS DEVICE MUST ACCEPT ANY INTERFERENCE
>>RECEIVED, INCLUDING INTERFERENCE THAT MAY CAUSE UNDESIRED OPERATION."
>>
>>I don't think that it is a requirement that it must be printed on every
>>product, but documentation must come with the product. I don't have any
>>label or documentation on my blender or popcorn popper. However, with
>>the FCC ID, you are able to find out what you need to know if you are
>>willing to look.
>>
>>AD
>>
>>
>
>
> Isn't that a CD Player? Not something that transmits or receives? Is there
> anything in fcc regs that let you transmit whatever you want?
>
>

CD palyer or not, it obvisouly fell under the authority of the FCC. I'm
willing to bet that many electronics also have stipulations in the same
way. So, in other words, because a mobile phone is approved for use
does not guarantee that no interference will happen.

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