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  1. #1
    The Skipper
    Guest
    Hi,

    I have searched in vain for any info on what format the mid files are in
    3410/3510 phones.

    What happens is, I edit a mid and put it on my WAP site and dl it to the
    phone ok but there are tracks missing.
    I read on this NG that the mid only plays 4 chans at any one time, is this
    the reason maybe?

    So if I have a mid with 6 tracks, the last 2 will not get played?

    Any info greatfully received,

    Cheers

    Skip





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  2. #2
    michael turner
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    Re: Need Mid format info for Nokias 3410/3510 please

    On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:53:08 +0000, The Skipper wrote:

    > Hi,
    >
    > I have searched in vain for any info on what format the mid files are in
    > 3410/3510 phones.
    >
    > What happens is, I edit a mid and put it on my WAP site and dl it to the
    > phone ok but there are tracks missing. I read on this NG that the mid
    > only plays 4 chans at any one time, is this the reason maybe?


    Yup those phones will only play upto 4 notes at any one time.

    > So if I have a mid with 6 tracks, the last 2 will not get played?


    Not necessarily, you can have a MIDI with 6 or more tracks, but they must
    be mapped to channels 1 to 4. Anything above MIDI channel 4 is ignored by
    the phone.

    The Sound Converter tool in Nokia PC Suite is a very useful utility to
    find out what will work and won't, and it enables you to move the MIDI
    tracks around.

    --
    Michael Turner



  3. #3
    The Skipper
    Guest

    Re: Need Mid format info for Nokias 3410/3510 please

    Michael,
    Thanks for the prompt reply.

    I am not too conversant with mid(i).
    I am getting tracks and chans mixed up then, I thought they were the same
    I need to do a bit of reading up on the mid format now then.

    What program would you recommend to do this sort of editing, that is,
    mapping 6 or so tracks (staves?) to 4 chans.


    Cheers,

    Skip



    "michael turner" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    news[email protected]
    > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:53:08 +0000, The Skipper wrote:
    >
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > I have searched in vain for any info on what format the mid files are in
    > > 3410/3510 phones.
    > >
    > > What happens is, I edit a mid and put it on my WAP site and dl it to the
    > > phone ok but there are tracks missing. I read on this NG that the mid
    > > only plays 4 chans at any one time, is this the reason maybe?

    >
    > Yup those phones will only play upto 4 notes at any one time.
    >
    > > So if I have a mid with 6 tracks, the last 2 will not get played?

    >
    > Not necessarily, you can have a MIDI with 6 or more tracks, but they must
    > be mapped to channels 1 to 4. Anything above MIDI channel 4 is ignored by
    > the phone.
    >
    > The Sound Converter tool in Nokia PC Suite is a very useful utility to
    > find out what will work and won't, and it enables you to move the MIDI
    > tracks around.
    >
    > --
    > Michael Turner






  4. #4
    Karl
    Guest

    Re: Need Mid format info for Nokias 3410/3510 please

    It can be a bit confusing,
    what you read in the NG saying only plays 4 chans is misleading, it should
    say 4 sounds at once, using your example if you had 6 tracks then the phone
    will play each track in turn until it is playing the 4 sounds, for example,
    if there are no sounds on track 1 & 2 then it will play tracks 3, 4, 5 & 6.
    if say track 1 is playing a 4 note chord then none of the other tracks will
    sound. The best way to edit a MIDI file to play on your phone would be to
    place the most important tracks to the top for instance lead, also split the
    drums up on to seperate tracks so that the kick drum is uppermost then snare
    and so on and place the hi hats further down so for instance when the phone
    uses up the 4 sounds it will not play the hi hat and it wont be as noticable
    as say loosing the lead instrument.
    If you email me I can send you a PDF file explaining it more

    Karl

    "The Skipper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hi,
    >
    > I have searched in vain for any info on what format the mid files are in
    > 3410/3510 phones.
    >
    > What happens is, I edit a mid and put it on my WAP site and dl it to the
    > phone ok but there are tracks missing.
    > I read on this NG that the mid only plays 4 chans at any one time, is this
    > the reason maybe?
    >
    > So if I have a mid with 6 tracks, the last 2 will not get played?
    >
    > Any info greatfully received,
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Skip
    >
    >






  5. #5
    michael turner
    Guest

    Re: Need Mid format info for Nokias 3410/3510 please

    On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:23:31 +0000, The Skipper wrote:

    > Michael,
    > Thanks for the prompt reply.
    >
    > I am not too conversant with mid(i).
    > I am getting tracks and chans mixed up then, I thought they were the
    > same I need to do a bit of reading up on the mid format now then.
    >
    > What program would you recommend to do this sort of editing, that is,
    > mapping 6 or so tracks (staves?) to 4 chans.


    OK Skip and anyone else who read this post.

    Let's talk about Nokia Sound Converter 'NSC' as it's the most widely
    available ringtone tool for Nokia phones.

    Nokia's terminology is slightly different to what I originally used. What
    I called 'track' they call 'channel', and what I called 'channel' they
    call 'Polyphony User'.

    Assuming you got NSC running. You load up a MIDI file, from the file
    options. Then you go to the 'Advanced Conversion' screen. You will see
    something like (view with a monospaced font e.g. Courier):

    Channel Cumulative Polyphony
    (calc) User
    ----------------------------------------------
    ! 1: Piano 7 1 ! \
    ! 10: Percussion 8 2 ! \----These will play.
    ! 2: Bass 9 3 ! /
    ! 3: Pipe 1 13 4 ! /
    ! 4: Guitar 15 5 ! \
    ! 5: Pipe 2 17 6 ! /-----These will NOT play.
    ----------------------------------------------

    The idea is to shuffle the instruments (channels) you want in your
    ringtone towards the top of the table, and then assign a 'Polyphony User'
    in the range 1-4 to that instrument. Instruments outside that range will
    be discarded and left out of the resulting ringtone, if the 'Optimize File
    Size' box is ticked.

    You can have more than one instrument assigned to a
    'Polyphony user'. But an instrument may not sound if there are no
    'Polyphony User's are available, e.g. the 'Piano' or 'Guitar' instrument
    is playing chord.

    Some experimentation is usually required to get a MIDI file that wasn't
    intended as a ringtone, into a format suitable for a 4 channel
    mobile phone (3510, etc.). Plus you got get the file size down to usually
    less-than 20k.

    HTH.

    > "michael turner" <[email protected]> wrote
    > in message
    > news[email protected]
    >> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:53:08 +0000, The Skipper wrote:
    >>
    >> > Hi,
    >> >
    >> > I have searched in vain for any info on what format the mid files are
    >> > in 3410/3510 phones.
    >> >
    >> > What happens is, I edit a mid and put it on my WAP site and dl it to
    >> > the phone ok but there are tracks missing. I read on this NG that the
    >> > mid only plays 4 chans at any one time, is this the reason maybe?

    >>
    >> Yup those phones will only play upto 4 notes at any one time.
    >>
    >> > So if I have a mid with 6 tracks, the last 2 will not get played?

    >>
    >> Not necessarily, you can have a MIDI with 6 or more tracks, but they
    >> must be mapped to channels 1 to 4. Anything above MIDI channel 4 is
    >> ignored by the phone.
    >>
    >> The Sound Converter tool in Nokia PC Suite is a very useful utility to
    >> find out what will work and won't, and it enables you to move the MIDI
    >> tracks around.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Michael Turner


    --
    Michael Turner



  6. #6
    Karl
    Guest

    Re: Need Mid format info for Nokias 3410/3510 please


    "michael turner" <[email protected]> wrote in
    message
    news[email protected]
    > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:53:08 +0000, The Skipper wrote:
    >
    > Not necessarily, you can have a MIDI with 6 or more tracks, but they must
    > be mapped to channels 1 to 4. Anything above MIDI channel 4 is ignored by
    > the phone.


    Just to clear things up, the phone can use all 16 MIDI channels but as you
    say, only 4 sounds can be played at any one time.

    Karl





  7. #7
    The Skipper
    Guest

    Re: Need Mid format info for Nokias 3410/3510 please

    Michael & Karl,

    Thanks for the replies guys.
    Very helpful and I am beginning to see the light

    Karl, email has been sent.

    Cheers again

    Skip

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  8. #8
    Franklin
    Guest

    Re: Need Mid format info for Nokias 3410/3510 please

    Skip,
    You just need to set the mips to get what parts you want
    Franklin


    "The Skipper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hi,
    >
    > I have searched in vain for any info on what format the mid files are in
    > 3410/3510 phones.
    >
    > What happens is, I edit a mid and put it on my WAP site and dl it to the
    > phone ok but there are tracks missing.
    > I read on this NG that the mid only plays 4 chans at any one time, is this
    > the reason maybe?
    >
    > So if I have a mid with 6 tracks, the last 2 will not get played?
    >
    > Any info greatfully received,
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > Skip
    >
    >






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