Cell Phone Users, SUV's and Brain Damage...No kidding

"Moderate Mammal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> You know those annoying cell phone users who insist on yakking on the
> phone in the supermarket, video store, public transportation, the
> theater, library, doctor's office, jet airliner, mall, et. al. The
> lives of these cell phone users are so important that society at large
> needs to be informed of every nauseating detail of the their pathetic
> existence.
>
> Even more disturbing are the dolts in SUV behemoths oblivious to their
> surroundings yakking away putting everyone else's life in danger. And
> _no_, 'hands free' is just as distracting. Would you have your
> physician perform surgery on yourself while talking on the phone? No?
> Too dangerous? Then why since upwards of 50,000 people die on American
> highways do you feel the need to yak on the phone in your ill-handling,
> slow braking, high center of gravity, no crush zone, gas guzzling,
> Islamic kook supporting SUV?
>
> Ever wonder if the average compulsive cell phone user isn't quite right
> in the head? Something beyond cultural rudeness, childhood trauma or
> trendoids engaging in social masturbation? Wonder no more:
>
>
http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame...html?id%3D2832
>
> So the next time some cartoony SUV with an idiot yakking on the phone
> puts my life in danger with an unsafe lane change or tailgating I'll no
> longer feel the need to open my window and yell "Whatta ya got ****ing
> brain damage or something?!". 'Cause I'll take comfort knowing you'll
> someday be in an 'assisted living center' dressed in a bib and a pair of
> adult diapers.
>
> hth
>
> --
> Keith
>


So your poor and can't afford an SUV or a cell phone?

Jealousy breeds contempt.

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The Duck

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:08:48 -0800, Scott in Aztlán
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>Thank God for hands-free! When I read stuff like that I'm damn glad I don't have
>to put that baby microwave oven up to my head...

1) It's nowhere near the frequency of microwave ovens. (Frequency is
important.)

2) If you can't control your vehicle when holding a cell phone to your
ear, you can't control it much better using a hands free. It's not
the holding that causes the problem, it's the lack of attention to the
road that does it.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:08:44 GMT, "N9WOS"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>> Ever wonder if the average compulsive cell phone user isn't quite right
>> in the head? Something beyond cultural rudeness, childhood trauma or
>> trendoids engaging in social masturbation? Wonder no more:
>
>On a serious note.
>I will refrain from placing judgment on it.
>The damage they are showing, looks like damage you would
>See from current nodes in the brain.
>(ie) Locations that the current flow is concentrated.
>That will only happen if a half wavelength of the signal is
>About the same as the size of the features in the brain.

Or if the phone is operating around the resonant frequency of the
water molecule, which is how microwave ovens heat things.

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 05:05:05 GMT, Al Klein <[email protected]> wrote:

>2) If you can't control your vehicle when holding a cell phone to your
>ear, you can't control it much better using a hands free. It's not
>the holding that causes the problem, it's the lack of attention to the
>road that does it.

Yes. I also started drinking and driving again after learning that
talking on the phone while driving is more dangerous and more likely
to cause an accident than driving when you've been (moderately)
drinking.

Note of course that I don't talk on the phone while driving drunk
though. I actually drive a lot more careful in that state.

[email protected] (Darkwing=A0Duck), Wrote:

>"Moderate Mammal"
><[email protected]> wrote in message
<snipped>

>>So the next time some cartoony SUV with an
>>idiot yakking on the phone puts my life in
>>danger with an unsafe lane change or tailgating
>>I'll no longer feel the need to open my window
>>and yell "Whatta ya got ****ing brain damage
>>or something?!". 'Cause I'll take comfort
>>knowing you'll someday be in an 'assisted living
>>center' dressed in a bib and a pair of adult
>>diapers.
>>hth
>>--
>>Keith

>So your poor and can't afford an SUV

http://vw.autodatadirect.com/ASC/con...=3DUSB40VWC08=
1A0&Country=3DUS&Language=3DEN&LeadSource=3D&DisplayGQ=3Dyes&GQOrigin=3DVC=
&LoggedOn=3D

http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/

Hmm, now if I purchase this come May:

http://www.audiusa.com/config_summar...14124_options=
-24393%253A24000%253A24410%253A24400%253A24412%253A24413_extId-14271_price=
-47195_modelTypeId-106_msrp-43550_modelId-14053_,00.html

And add another 2 grand to convert the beast to run on natural gas that
would mean what?

>or a cell phone?

Cut it out already. You can buy a cell phone from Mohammad at the
corner store for $50.
Or get one for free if you sign one of those contracts from hell.

>Jealousy breeds contempt.

Why would I have "jealousy" for a vehicle that has sub-standard
handling, breaking, crash rating and so on. Did you know I'm safer in
my GTi if I hit a wall than any SUV? As a matter of fact the only time
I'm not safer is if a cell phone driving behemoth hits me. 'Cause for
some reason SUV's don't have to have 'crush zones' like cars. And the
high bumpers that makes the highway unsafe for everyone else. The irony
is the death rate for most SUV occupants are higher than many
automobiles.

hth

--
Keith

>----------------------------------------------
>The Duck


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"Darkwing Duck" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Moderate Mammal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > You know those annoying cell phone users who insist on yakking on the
> > phone in the supermarket, video store, public transportation, the
> > theater, library, doctor's office, jet airliner, mall, et. al. The
> > lives of these cell phone users are so important that society at large
> > needs to be informed of every nauseating detail of the their pathetic
> > existence.
> >
> > Even more disturbing are the dolts in SUV behemoths oblivious to their
> > surroundings yakking away putting everyone else's life in danger. And
> > _no_, 'hands free' is just as distracting. Would you have your
> > physician perform surgery on yourself while talking on the phone? No?
> > Too dangerous? Then why since upwards of 50,000 people die on American
> > highways do you feel the need to yak on the phone in your ill-handling,
> > slow braking, high center of gravity, no crush zone, gas guzzling,
> > Islamic kook supporting SUV?
> >
> > Ever wonder if the average compulsive cell phone user isn't quite right
> > in the head? Something beyond cultural rudeness, childhood trauma or
> > trendoids engaging in social masturbation? Wonder no more:
> >
> >
> http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame...html?id%3D2832
> >
> > So the next time some cartoony SUV with an idiot yakking on the phone
> > puts my life in danger with an unsafe lane change or tailgating I'll no
> > longer feel the need to open my window and yell "Whatta ya got ****ing
> > brain damage or something?!". 'Cause I'll take comfort knowing you'll
> > someday be in an 'assisted living center' dressed in a bib and a pair of
> > adult diapers.
> >
> > hth
> >
> > --
> > Keith
> >
>
>
> So your poor and can't afford an SUV or a cell phone?
>
> Jealousy breeds contempt.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> The Duck

The last resort of a brainless SUV owner and cell user when the logic
has swamped them. Happens every time. Tell me Duck, when was the
last time you actuall -used- the SUV capability?

Harry K

Instead of just posting the link to a slanted edit of the article, why not post a
link to the Popular Science Web Site which has a less slanted version?

See http://www.popsci.com/popsci/medicin...573349,00.html or
http://www.rfsafe.com/article490.html

The key statement is:

"Salford is the first to admit that it's too early to draw any conclusions, but
contends the unusual results deserve a closer look. "The cellphone is a marvelous
invention; it has probably saved thousands of lives," he says. "But governments and
suppliers should be supporting more autonomous research." Meanwhile, Salford
advises users to invest in hands-free headsets to reduce radiation exposure to the
brain."

You don't suppose Mr. Salford is trolling for research money - do you?

I suggest you read http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2000/600_phone.html :

From this article -

"Many experts say that no matter how near the cell phone's antenna--even if it's
right up against the skull--the six-tenths of a watt of power emitted couldn't
possibly affect human health. They're probably right, says John E. Moulder, Ph.D.,
a cancer researcher and professor of radiation oncology at the Medical College of
Wisconsin. It's true, he says, that from the physics standpoint, biological effects
from mobile phones are "somewhere between impossible and implausible."

"At the same time, Moulder supports further studies into the science of cell phone
radiation. "Some people think the power emitted by the phones is so low, it's a
silly thing to research. But I think it remains a legitimate area of study.""

And yes, I think Mr Moulder is looking for research money too.

Ed

"Harry K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Darkwing Duck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Moderate Mammal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > You know those annoying cell phone users who insist on yakking on the
> > > phone in the supermarket, video store, public transportation, the
> > > theater, library, doctor's office, jet airliner, mall, et. al. The
> > > lives of these cell phone users are so important that society at large
> > > needs to be informed of every nauseating detail of the their pathetic
> > > existence.
> > >
> > > Even more disturbing are the dolts in SUV behemoths oblivious to their
> > > surroundings yakking away putting everyone else's life in danger. And
> > > _no_, 'hands free' is just as distracting. Would you have your
> > > physician perform surgery on yourself while talking on the phone? No?
> > > Too dangerous? Then why since upwards of 50,000 people die on
American
> > > highways do you feel the need to yak on the phone in your
ill-handling,
> > > slow braking, high center of gravity, no crush zone, gas guzzling,
> > > Islamic kook supporting SUV?
> > >
> > > Ever wonder if the average compulsive cell phone user isn't quite
right
> > > in the head? Something beyond cultural rudeness, childhood trauma or
> > > trendoids engaging in social masturbation? Wonder no more:
> > >
> > >
> >
http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame...html?id%3D2832
> > >
> > > So the next time some cartoony SUV with an idiot yakking on the phone
> > > puts my life in danger with an unsafe lane change or tailgating I'll
no
> > > longer feel the need to open my window and yell "Whatta ya got ****ing
> > > brain damage or something?!". 'Cause I'll take comfort knowing you'll
> > > someday be in an 'assisted living center' dressed in a bib and a pair
of
> > > adult diapers.
> > >
> > > hth
> > >
> > > --
> > > Keith
> > >
> >
> >
> > So your poor and can't afford an SUV or a cell phone?
> >
> > Jealousy breeds contempt.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > The Duck
>
> The last resort of a brainless SUV owner and cell user when the logic
> has swamped them. Happens every time. Tell me Duck, when was the
> last time you actuall -used- the SUV capability?
>
> Harry K

Today since we have about 8" of snow and ice on the roads. Just getting down
my drifted over driveway requires 4 wheel drive.

---------------------------------------------------------
The Duck

only 50000 die on american roads each year....that low a figure....pity....

hope more ppl in the us drive with mobiles stuck to their faces and smash
into things with huge SUVs....

makes light and pleasant entertainment ....

cheers

"Darkwing Duck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Harry K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Darkwing Duck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > "Moderate Mammal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > You know those annoying cell phone users who insist on yakking on
the
> > > > phone in the supermarket, video store, public transportation, the
> > > > theater, library, doctor's office, jet airliner, mall, et. al. The
> > > > lives of these cell phone users are so important that society at
large
> > > > needs to be informed of every nauseating detail of the their
pathetic
> > > > existence.
> > > >
> > > > Even more disturbing are the dolts in SUV behemoths oblivious to
their
> > > > surroundings yakking away putting everyone else's life in danger.
And
> > > > _no_, 'hands free' is just as distracting. Would you have your
> > > > physician perform surgery on yourself while talking on the phone?
No?
> > > > Too dangerous? Then why since upwards of 50,000 people die on
> American
> > > > highways do you feel the need to yak on the phone in your
> ill-handling,
> > > > slow braking, high center of gravity, no crush zone, gas guzzling,
> > > > Islamic kook supporting SUV?
> > > >
> > > > Ever wonder if the average compulsive cell phone user isn't quite
> right
> > > > in the head? Something beyond cultural rudeness, childhood trauma
or
> > > > trendoids engaging in social masturbation? Wonder no more:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame...html?id%3D2832
> > > >
> > > > So the next time some cartoony SUV with an idiot yakking on the
phone
> > > > puts my life in danger with an unsafe lane change or tailgating I'll
> no
> > > > longer feel the need to open my window and yell "Whatta ya got
****ing
> > > > brain damage or something?!". 'Cause I'll take comfort knowing
you'll
> > > > someday be in an 'assisted living center' dressed in a bib and a
pair
> of
> > > > adult diapers.
> > > >
> > > > hth
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So your poor and can't afford an SUV or a cell phone?
> > >
> > > Jealousy breeds contempt.
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > > The Duck
> >
> > The last resort of a brainless SUV owner and cell user when the logic
> > has swamped them. Happens every time. Tell me Duck, when was the
> > last time you actuall -used- the SUV capability?
> >
> > Harry K
>
> Today since we have about 8" of snow and ice on the roads. Just getting
down
> my drifted over driveway requires 4 wheel drive.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> The Duck
>
>

"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> 2) If you can't control your vehicle when holding a cell phone to your
> ear, you can't control it much better using a hands free. It's not
> the holding that causes the problem, it's the lack of attention to the
> road that does it.

Try this simple experiment.

1) look far left
2) look far right
3) hold cell phone to ear
4) look far left
5) look far right

Notice the huge restriction? Yes, you can still swivel
your head just as far to the cell phone side but it takes
a very concious effort to do so and is rather awkward.
People driving and talking on a cell held to the ear pretty
much cut off at least a 3rd of what they are normally
looking at/paying attention to. Then there is the natural
tendency to not drop the cell phone when both hands
and or attention to that direction are needed in short
order.

The lack of attention is a factor in both cases but the
physical restriction is a huge factor in itself.

-Quick

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 03:27:40 +1000, "a_dude" <[email protected]> wrote:

>only 50000 die on american roads each year....that low a figure....pity....
>
>hope more ppl in the us drive with mobiles stuck to their faces and smash
>into things with huge SUVs....
>
>makes light and pleasant entertainment ....

You are a sick man and should seek professional help at the earliest
opportunity.
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"Darkwing Duck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Harry K" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "Darkwing Duck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > "Moderate Mammal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > You know those annoying cell phone users who insist on yakking on
the
> > > > phone in the supermarket, video store, public transportation, the
> > > > theater, library, doctor's office, jet airliner, mall, et. al. The
> > > > lives of these cell phone users are so important that society at
large
> > > > needs to be informed of every nauseating detail of the their
pathetic
> > > > existence.
> > > >
> > > > Even more disturbing are the dolts in SUV behemoths oblivious to
their
> > > > surroundings yakking away putting everyone else's life in danger.
And
> > > > _no_, 'hands free' is just as distracting. Would you have your
> > > > physician perform surgery on yourself while talking on the phone?
No?
> > > > Too dangerous? Then why since upwards of 50,000 people die on
> American
> > > > highways do you feel the need to yak on the phone in your
> ill-handling,
> > > > slow braking, high center of gravity, no crush zone, gas guzzling,
> > > > Islamic kook supporting SUV?
> > > >
> > > > Ever wonder if the average compulsive cell phone user isn't quite
> right
> > > > in the head? Something beyond cultural rudeness, childhood trauma
or
> > > > trendoids engaging in social masturbation? Wonder no more:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame...html?id%3D2832
> > > >
> > > > So the next time some cartoony SUV with an idiot yakking on the
phone
> > > > puts my life in danger with an unsafe lane change or tailgating I'll
> no
> > > > longer feel the need to open my window and yell "Whatta ya got
****ing
> > > > brain damage or something?!". 'Cause I'll take comfort knowing
you'll
> > > > someday be in an 'assisted living center' dressed in a bib and a
pair
> of
> > > > adult diapers.
> > > >
> > > > hth
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So your poor and can't afford an SUV or a cell phone?
> > >
> > > Jealousy breeds contempt.
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > > The Duck
> >
> > The last resort of a brainless SUV owner and cell user when the logic
> > has swamped them. Happens every time. Tell me Duck, when was the
> > last time you actuall -used- the SUV capability?
> >
> > Harry K
>
> Today since we have about 8" of snow and ice on the roads. Just getting
down
> my drifted over driveway requires 4 wheel drive.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> The Duck
>

But you don't need a SUV to get 4WD. Unless you're a cop wannabe or some
**** like that.

So next, the law will be written that you can't talk to a passenger in the
car with you?
Cell phone with a hands free, is no worse than traveling down the road with
other occupants in the car gabbing away.

"Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:08:48 -0800, Scott in Aztlán
> <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
>
> >Thank God for hands-free! When I read stuff like that I'm damn glad I
don't have
> >to put that baby microwave oven up to my head...
>
> 1) It's nowhere near the frequency of microwave ovens. (Frequency is
> important.)
>
> 2) If you can't control your vehicle when holding a cell phone to your
> ear, you can't control it much better using a hands free. It's not
> the holding that causes the problem, it's the lack of attention to the
> road that does it.

In message <<[email protected]>> "Brad" <[email protected]>
did ramble:

>So next, the law will be written that you can't talk to a passenger in the
>car with you?
>Cell phone with a hands free, is no worse than traveling down the road with
>other occupants in the car gabbing away.

Occupants know when to shut up and let you drive. A cell phone doesn't.

This is not true.

The person(s) in the car with you have the same situational
awareness that you do. For example when you are craning
to see if you can get over 2 lanes on a busy freeway or pull
out onto a very busy street the person in the car is likely to
pause in the conversation than someone on the other end of
the phone. I've noticed that my passengers often stop talking
in mid sentence/word when I get into a tight situation or it
looks like we're going to crash.

-Quick

"Brad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So next, the law will be written that you can't talk to a passenger in the
> car with you?
> Cell phone with a hands free, is no worse than traveling down the road
with
> other occupants in the car gabbing away.
>
> "Al Klein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:08:48 -0800, Scott in Aztlán
> > <[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
> >
> > >Thank God for hands-free! When I read stuff like that I'm damn glad I
> don't have
> > >to put that baby microwave oven up to my head...
> >
> > 1) It's nowhere near the frequency of microwave ovens. (Frequency is
> > important.)
> >
> > 2) If you can't control your vehicle when holding a cell phone to your
> > ear, you can't control it much better using a hands free. It's not
> > the holding that causes the problem, it's the lack of attention to the
> > road that does it.
>
>