Please Explain to Me.....

One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like the
8910i, which are only designed for the
EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.

Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
market?
Can someone explain this to me?

I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:45:16 -0500, "CodeToad" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
>carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
>But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like the
>8910i, which are only designed for the
>EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
>
>Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
>market?
>Can someone explain this to me?
>
>I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
>

To work in the US you need a Tri Band phone, one which supports 3
different network frequencies as the US uses an additional frequency
band to the two used in Europe etc (Dual Band)

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Moldy

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life-giving antioxidants while scarfing massive amounts of known carcinogens
until someone punches you to death for bragging about how much weight you
lost." - Scott Adams

Well the US always have to be different to everyone else! They have to have
things to themselves, so they go off and set up another band for GSM that no
one else uses.


73 de Simon, VK3XEM.




"CodeToad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
> carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
> But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like
the
> 8910i, which are only designed for the
> EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
>
> Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
> market?
> Can someone explain this to me?
>
> I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
>
>


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>Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
>market?

The USA (and most of the Americas) uses frequencies of 800MHz and 1900MHz. Most
of the rest of the world (Asia, Africa, and Europe) use 900MHz and 1800MHz.

So a USA phone typically will not work in the rest of the world and vice versa.

There are so called "world phones" that typically have 3 of the 4 frequencies
and sometimes all 4 of them (like the Motorola v400 & v600).

So, if you travel overseas, you may want to buy a world phone. Expect to pay
full price and be sure that whomever you buy it from has it unlocked for
maximum flexibility.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:20:39 +1000, VK3XEM wrote:

> Well the US always have to be different to everyone else! They have to have
> things to themselves, so they go off and set up another band for GSM that no
> one else uses.

It ain't just the US. AFAIK all the American continent uses GSM1900,
Canada, Mexico, etc.

And then there's Japan where they just don't use GSM.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
[email protected]

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:45:16 -0500, CodeToad wrote:

>
> One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
> carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
> But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like the
> 8910i, which are only designed for the
> EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
>
> Besides power issues,

Power is not an issue, because Nokia chargers are 110-250 volts.

> why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
> market?
> Can someone explain this to me?

Because countries on the American continent use a different band.

> I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes,

Is that because it has a sliding keypad cover ? Other than that it
just has bog-standard series-40 features, plus Bluetooth.

> the USA cannot use.

It ain't just the USA.

You need to get a tri-band or quad-band 'world phone'.

--
Michael Turner
Email (ROT13)
[email protected]

> So, if you travel overseas, you may want to buy a world phone. Expect to
pay
> full price and be sure that whomever you buy it from has it unlocked for
> maximum flexibility.

OP is from USA, dont want a TRI/quad band phone, just a single band phone
that works on his GSM frequency, he probably couldnt give a monkies if its
tri-band and will work in outer mongolia.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:45:16 -0500, "CodeToad" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
>carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
>But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like the
>8910i, which are only designed for the
>EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
>
>Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
>market?
>Can someone explain this to me?
>
>I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
>

Because even phone companies hate the states
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Thanks.
I have a tri-band, but did know that the USA, et. al, frequencies were
different than
Africa, etc.

Mike Turner: No, not because it has a sliding door, just there are more
models available, ones I personally like
versus the ones sold in the USA market.

"ß Ø ® G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:45:16 -0500, "CodeToad" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
> >carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
> >But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like
the
> >8910i, which are only designed for the
> >EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
> >
> >Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
> >market?
> >Can someone explain this to me?
> >
> >I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
> >
>
> Because even phone companies hate the states
> --
> E-Mail Addy obet(ng)qfy(qbg)cvcrk(qbg)pbz <---Rot13 it
> watch out for spam trap in header
>
> Free Phone Unlocking
> http://unlockme.co.uk
>
> 10p a Picture Message/MMS
> http://www.mmsit.co.uk/
>
> http://www.davessite.co.uk
> Trike Power the TRUE Trinity

OK, you explained why they do not work in USA, etc.
But, look at the following for the 8910i:

EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 900/1800 dual-band networks in Europe, Africa,
and Asia. Automatic switching between bands.

This is the Service for the USA Specific Nokia 7210

GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 MHz


Ignoring the GPRS data services, and only looking at GSM communications,
will a SIM work in the 8910i
on a USA cell-carrier, it looks like it will because they both have GSM
900/1800?


"CodeToad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
> carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
> But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like
the
> 8910i, which are only designed for the
> EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
>
> Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
> market?
> Can someone explain this to me?
>
> I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
>
>

In article <[email protected]>, michael turner wrote:
> It ain't just the US. AFAIK all the American continent uses GSM1900,
> Canada, Mexico, etc.

So how do I figure out which all bands my handset will work in? I have
recently bought a 3200, it works fine here in India, but will it work
when I travel to Europe? UK? Canada?

Binand

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:58:02 +0000, Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, michael turner wrote:
>> It ain't just the US. AFAIK all the American continent uses GSM1900,
>> Canada, Mexico, etc.
>
> So how do I figure out which all bands my handset will work in?

Easy:
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,42727,00.html
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Tri-Band Operation
EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 1900 networks in Europe, Africa, Asia, North,
and South America
----------

> I have
> recently bought a 3200, it works fine here in India, but will it work
> when I travel to Europe? UK? Canada?

As long as your service provider has roaming agreements with providers in
these countries then you should be OK. If you're planning to use it a lot
in Europe etc, and the phone is not simlocked. Then it's worth buying a
local PAYG SIM-card to avoid costly roaming charges.

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OK, you explained why they do not work in USA, etc.
But, look at the following for the 8910i:

EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 900/1800 dual-band networks in Europe, Africa,
and Asia. Automatic switching between bands.

This is the Service for the USA Specific Nokia 7210

GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 MHz

>So how do I figure out which all bands my handset will work in? I have
>recently bought a 3200, it works fine here in India, but will it work
>when I travel to Europe? UK? Canada?

Look up the handset on the internet. Check out http://www.nokia.com, go to
phones, find your model and look at the specs. It will tell you the supported
frequencies.

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"CodeToad" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<SSskc.16046$f_5.14364@lakeread01>...
> OK, you explained why they do not work in USA, etc.
> But, look at the following for the 8910i:
>
> EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 900/1800 dual-band networks in Europe, Africa,
> and Asia. Automatic switching between bands.
>
> This is the Service for the USA Specific Nokia 7210
>
> GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 MHz

The 7210 isn't "USA Specific"- it includes world frequencies as well.
The 1900MHz band is the band used in the US, which the 8910 lacks.

Once again...

The Americas: 800 (also known as 850- they're the same band) and 1900.

The World: 900 and 1800.

Therefore, a 900/1800 phone like the 8910i will NOT work in the US,
any more than an AM-only car radio can pick up FM stations.

You'll also notice that the vast majority of Nokia phones do NOT
support 800 (850) MHz yet. 800/850 is the most recently used band
(for GSM)- AT&T and Cingular have recently been converting their older
800MHz analog and TDMA systems to GSM, so Nokia and others are now
introducing phones to support it.

T-Mobile USA uses 1900-MHz exclusively, so a typical tri-band world
phone (900/1800/1900) like the 7210 will work fine on T-Mo.