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  1. #1
    CodeToad
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    One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
    carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
    But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like the
    8910i, which are only designed for the
    EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.

    Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
    market?
    Can someone explain this to me?

    I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.





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  2. #2
    Moldy
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    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:45:16 -0500, "CodeToad" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
    >carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
    >But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like the
    >8910i, which are only designed for the
    >EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
    >
    >Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
    >market?
    >Can someone explain this to me?
    >
    >I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
    >


    To work in the US you need a Tri Band phone, one which supports 3
    different network frequencies as the US uses an additional frequency
    band to the two used in Europe etc (Dual Band)

    --


    Moldy

    "Then you have the low-carb dieters. This involves the active avoidance of
    life-giving antioxidants while scarfing massive amounts of known carcinogens
    until someone punches you to death for bragging about how much weight you
    lost." - Scott Adams



  3. #3
    VK3XEM
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    Well the US always have to be different to everyone else! They have to have
    things to themselves, so they go off and set up another band for GSM that no
    one else uses.


    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.




    "CodeToad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
    > carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
    > But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like

    the
    > 8910i, which are only designed for the
    > EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
    >
    > Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
    > market?
    > Can someone explain this to me?
    >
    > I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
    >
    >



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  4. #4
    John S.
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    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    >Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
    >market?


    The USA (and most of the Americas) uses frequencies of 800MHz and 1900MHz. Most
    of the rest of the world (Asia, Africa, and Europe) use 900MHz and 1800MHz.

    So a USA phone typically will not work in the rest of the world and vice versa.

    There are so called "world phones" that typically have 3 of the 4 frequencies
    and sometimes all 4 of them (like the Motorola v400 & v600).

    So, if you travel overseas, you may want to buy a world phone. Expect to pay
    full price and be sure that whomever you buy it from has it unlocked for
    maximum flexibility.

    --
    John S.
    e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net



  5. #5
    michael turner
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    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 00:20:39 +1000, VK3XEM wrote:

    > Well the US always have to be different to everyone else! They have to have
    > things to themselves, so they go off and set up another band for GSM that no
    > one else uses.


    It ain't just the US. AFAIK all the American continent uses GSM1900,
    Canada, Mexico, etc.

    And then there's Japan where they just don't use GSM.

    --
    Michael Turner
    Email (ROT13)
    [email protected]



  6. #6
    michael turner
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    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:45:16 -0500, CodeToad wrote:

    >
    > One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
    > carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
    > But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like the
    > 8910i, which are only designed for the
    > EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
    >
    > Besides power issues,


    Power is not an issue, because Nokia chargers are 110-250 volts.

    > why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
    > market?
    > Can someone explain this to me?


    Because countries on the American continent use a different band.

    > I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes,


    Is that because it has a sliding keypad cover ? Other than that it
    just has bog-standard series-40 features, plus Bluetooth.

    > the USA cannot use.


    It ain't just the USA.

    You need to get a tri-band or quad-band 'world phone'.

    --
    Michael Turner
    Email (ROT13)
    [email protected]



  7. #7
    Steve
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....


    > So, if you travel overseas, you may want to buy a world phone. Expect to

    pay
    > full price and be sure that whomever you buy it from has it unlocked for
    > maximum flexibility.


    OP is from USA, dont want a TRI/quad band phone, just a single band phone
    that works on his GSM frequency, he probably couldnt give a monkies if its
    tri-band and will work in outer mongolia.






  8. #8
    G
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:45:16 -0500, "CodeToad" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
    >carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
    >But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like the
    >8910i, which are only designed for the
    >EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
    >
    >Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
    >market?
    >Can someone explain this to me?
    >
    >I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
    >


    Because even phone companies hate the states
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  9. #9
    CodeToad
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    Thanks.
    I have a tri-band, but did know that the USA, et. al, frequencies were
    different than
    Africa, etc.

    Mike Turner: No, not because it has a sliding door, just there are more
    models available, ones I personally like
    versus the ones sold in the USA market.

    " G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:45:16 -0500, "CodeToad" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
    > >carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
    > >But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like

    the
    > >8910i, which are only designed for the
    > >EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
    > >
    > >Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
    > >market?
    > >Can someone explain this to me?
    > >
    > >I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
    > >

    >
    > Because even phone companies hate the states
    > --
    > E-Mail Addy obet(ng)qfy(qbg)cvcrk(qbg)pbz <---Rot13 it
    > watch out for spam trap in header
    >
    > Free Phone Unlocking
    > http://unlockme.co.uk
    >
    > 10p a Picture Message/MMS
    > http://www.mmsit.co.uk/
    >
    > http://www.davessite.co.uk
    > Trike Power the TRUE Trinity






  10. #10
    CodeToad
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    OK, you explained why they do not work in USA, etc.
    But, look at the following for the 8910i:

    EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 900/1800 dual-band networks in Europe, Africa,
    and Asia. Automatic switching between bands.

    This is the Service for the USA Specific Nokia 7210

    GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 MHz


    Ignoring the GPRS data services, and only looking at GSM communications,
    will a SIM work in the 8910i
    on a USA cell-carrier, it looks like it will because they both have GSM
    900/1800?


    "CodeToad" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > One reason I chose Nokia was because they supported GSM, and the cell
    > carrier I chose in the USA is T-Mobile.
    > But when I go to the www.nokia.com website, I see a lot of phones, like

    the
    > 8910i, which are only designed for the
    > EUROPE, MIDDLE EAST, AFRICA market only.
    >
    > Besides power issues, why can these phones not work in the USA GSM cell
    > market?
    > Can someone explain this to me?
    >
    > I mean the coolest phones Nokia makes, the USA cannot use.
    >
    >






  11. #11
    Binand Sethumadhavan
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    In article <[email protected]>, michael turner wrote:
    > It ain't just the US. AFAIK all the American continent uses GSM1900,
    > Canada, Mexico, etc.


    So how do I figure out which all bands my handset will work in? I have
    recently bought a 3200, it works fine here in India, but will it work
    when I travel to Europe? UK? Canada?

    Binand




  12. #12
    michael turner
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:58:02 +0000, Binand Sethumadhavan wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, michael turner wrote:
    >> It ain't just the US. AFAIK all the American continent uses GSM1900,
    >> Canada, Mexico, etc.

    >
    > So how do I figure out which all bands my handset will work in?


    Easy:
    http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,42727,00.html
    ----------
    Tri-Band Operation
    EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 1900 networks in Europe, Africa, Asia, North,
    and South America
    ----------

    > I have
    > recently bought a 3200, it works fine here in India, but will it work
    > when I travel to Europe? UK? Canada?


    As long as your service provider has roaming agreements with providers in
    these countries then you should be OK. If you're planning to use it a lot
    in Europe etc, and the phone is not simlocked. Then it's worth buying a
    local PAYG SIM-card to avoid costly roaming charges.

    --
    Michael Turner
    Email (ROT13)
    [email protected]



  13. #13
    CodeToad
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    OK, you explained why they do not work in USA, etc.
    But, look at the following for the 8910i:

    EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 900/1800 dual-band networks in Europe, Africa,
    and Asia. Automatic switching between bands.

    This is the Service for the USA Specific Nokia 7210

    GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 MHz






  14. #14
    John S.
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    >So how do I figure out which all bands my handset will work in? I have
    >recently bought a 3200, it works fine here in India, but will it work
    >when I travel to Europe? UK? Canada?


    Look up the handset on the internet. Check out http://www.nokia.com, go to
    phones, find your model and look at the specs. It will tell you the supported
    frequencies.

    --
    John S.
    e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net



  15. #15
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Please Explain to Me.....

    "CodeToad" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > OK, you explained why they do not work in USA, etc.
    > But, look at the following for the 8910i:
    >
    > EGSM 900, GSM 1800, and GSM 900/1800 dual-band networks in Europe, Africa,
    > and Asia. Automatic switching between bands.
    >
    > This is the Service for the USA Specific Nokia 7210
    >
    > GSM/GPRS 900/1800/1900 MHz


    The 7210 isn't "USA Specific"- it includes world frequencies as well.
    The 1900MHz band is the band used in the US, which the 8910 lacks.

    Once again...

    The Americas: 800 (also known as 850- they're the same band) and 1900.

    The World: 900 and 1800.

    Therefore, a 900/1800 phone like the 8910i will NOT work in the US,
    any more than an AM-only car radio can pick up FM stations.

    You'll also notice that the vast majority of Nokia phones do NOT
    support 800 (850) MHz yet. 800/850 is the most recently used band
    (for GSM)- AT&T and Cingular have recently been converting their older
    800MHz analog and TDMA systems to GSM, so Nokia and others are now
    introducing phones to support it.

    T-Mobile USA uses 1900-MHz exclusively, so a typical tri-band world
    phone (900/1800/1900) like the 7210 will work fine on T-Mo.



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