Must choose one: 6610, t600, t68i, r520m, P280, v66?

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In <140820040325379354%[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:20:51 GMT, Kiran
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> 2. soc.culture.indian (which has nothing to do with cell phones)
>
>This guy is going to India and looking for a phone that will work well
>there. The Indian newsgroup is a legitimate, even smart choice.

I disagree, but the cross-posting was wrong in any event, since the newsgroups
aren't related.

>If I
>needed a gadget for Japan, I 'd certainly seek advice in the Japanese
>group.

No problem *if* the post is on-topic.

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Newbie <[email protected]> wrote:

>I am most, most, most grateful for your help during the past several
>days. I have learned so much about gsm and cell phones. As you know, I
>have to be in India by early September and must make a choice now.

> Motorola P280 V66
> Nokia 6610 6100
> Sony Ericsson R520M t68i t600

I'd opt for either of the Nokias (the two you've listed are pretty
similar) or the T68i.

I can personally vouch for the 6100 - good reception quality, long
standby time. Lacks many of the "features" of newer phones which I
consider unnecessary thus is smaller, lighter and has better battery
life.

Perhaps not as robust as some of the older Nokias, but then few modern
phones are, but tough enough to survive your trip. I've dropped mine,
sat on and generally abused it and it's still going strong.


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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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[snip]

> I loved my T39m, but I'm pretty happy with the Z600.

I WAS happy with the V600 but then the BT audio has become distorted and
unusable, the headset is fine with the T39, also I would have preffered if
there was a driver for the palm so that I can collect SMS messages on the
handheld, finally to top it all off MPT will not collect the SMS from the
phone anymore :-(
I have reset the V600 and re-installed the software but no luck :-(

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> >This guy is going to India and looking for a phone that will work well
> >there. The Indian newsgroup is a legitimate, even smart choice.
>
> I disagree, but the cross-posting was wrong in any event, since the
> newsgroups aren't related.

Man you think abnormally. If somebody is worrying which phone would
work well in Indian conditions while traveling there, it is normal to
include the Indian group. I would have included rec.travel.asia too.

Sour guys like you who want to control public forums are best ignored.

> >If I needed a gadget for Japan, I 'd certainly seek advice in the
> >Japanese group.
>
> No problem *if* the post is on-topic.

And you fancy yourself as the topic police? The poster thought it was
on-topic and I agree with him.

Alex

"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >This guy is going to India and looking for a phone that will work well
> > >there. The Indian newsgroup is a legitimate, even smart choice.
> >
> > I disagree, but the cross-posting was wrong in any event, since the
> > newsgroups aren't related.
>
> Man you think abnormally. If somebody is worrying which phone would
> work well in Indian conditions while traveling there, it is normal to
> include the Indian group. I would have included rec.travel.asia too.


Not choosing one side or another, I think cross-posting is considered not
done. Normally one should post in each ng *seperately*. Then again, with the
ng's mentioned and the topic of the discussion/question, maybe in this case
crossposting could be ok. Just my 2 cents, please don't kill me for it


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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Aug 2004
17:03:15 GMT, "Avanti" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>[snip]
>
>> I loved my T39m, but I'm pretty happy with the Z600.
>
>I WAS happy with the V600 ...

I'm referring to the Sony Ericsson Z600 <http://www.sonyericsson.com/z600/>,
not the Motorola V600 -- totally different.

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:53:43 +0200, "In
Dreams I Walk With You" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:140820041214347200%[email protected]...
>> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > >This guy is going to India and looking for a phone that will work well
>> > >there. The Indian newsgroup is a legitimate, even smart choice.
>> >
>> > I disagree, but the cross-posting was wrong in any event, since the
>> > newsgroups aren't related.
>>
>> Man you think abnormally. If somebody is worrying which phone would
>> work well in Indian conditions while traveling there, it is normal to
>> include the Indian group. I would have included rec.travel.asia too.
>
>Not choosing one side or another, I think cross-posting is considered not
>done. Normally one should post in each ng *seperately*. ...

Correct. Wide cross-posting is generally discouraged, particularly to
unrelated newsgroups. It's one thing to cross-post to

alt.cellular.ericsson
alt.cellular.motorola

when both product lines are specifically involved, but another thing entirely
to throw in:

soc.culture.indian

which has nothing to do with cellular. That participants there might have
knowledge of cellular in India doesn't make it OK -- it's still off-topic per
the newsgroup charter.

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In Dreams I Walk With You <[email protected]> wrote:

> Not choosing one side or another, I think cross-posting is considered
> not done. Normally one should post in each ng *seperately*.

Pros and cons of x-posting have been debated to death over many years.
What you are suggesting would spend much more bandwidth. X-posting
was invented precisely to prevent such waste.

As with many things, there is no perfect solution, we compromise based
on our priorities: (1) put up with some inconvenience and
conserve/maximize common resources, OR (2) emphasize our own
convenience and waste common resources.

Different people choose differently and I think we should respect each
other's right to make that choice. Most people do get that much, but
every group seems to have a few sour jerks who don't.

The mirror image of John Navas would eb another cranky fellow who goes
around attacking people for *not* x-posting, for posting identical
articles to different groups and wasting bandwidth.

> Then again, with the ng's mentioned and the topic of the
> discussion/question, maybe in this case crossposting could be ok.

That is correct and it is good of you to acknowledge it.

It is good to remember the fundamentals: If you haven't paid for it and
don't own it, don't try to control it. Unless people have elected you
to guide them, don't interfere with their choice; just make your own
choice freely.

> Just my 2 cents

Mine too, and I may not have any more cents to contribute.

Ciao,

Alex

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Aug 2004
> 17:03:15 GMT, "Avanti" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.ericsson - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >> I loved my T39m, but I'm pretty happy with the Z600.
> >
> >I WAS happy with the V600 ...
>
> I'm referring to the Sony Ericsson Z600
<http://www.sonyericsson.com/z600/>,
> not the Motorola V600 -- totally different.

I see, I did wait eagerly for the Z600 and was sorely dissapointed by the
thickness of the unit compared to the T39 and the plastic look, shame really
as otherwise I would be not considering another unit after just 6 months

John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wide cross-posting is generally discouraged,

Cute debating trick. Cross-posting is also "generally employed".

> It's one thing to cross-post to
> alt.cellular.ericsson alt.cellular.motorola
> when both product lines are specifically involved, but another thing entirely
> to throw in
> soc.culture.indian
> which has nothing to do with cellular. That participants there might have
> knowledge of cellular in India doesn't make it OK -- it's still off-topic per
> the newsgroup charter.

As I said earlier, you do think abnormally.

More deeply, we have different ecological priorities: You are one of
those who want to maximize their own convenience; I am one of those who
want minimize the waste of common resources (cyber bandwidth in this
case).

No problem, unless and until one wishes to impose his choice on all.

Alex

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In <140820041431300184%[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:26:43 GMT, Alex
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Wide cross-posting is generally discouraged,
>
>Cute debating trick. Cross-posting is also "generally employed".

I suggest you read the relevant Usenet guidelines.

>> It's one thing to cross-post to
>> alt.cellular.ericsson alt.cellular.motorola
>> when both product lines are specifically involved, but another thing entirely
>> to throw in
>> soc.culture.indian
>> which has nothing to do with cellular. That participants there might have
>> knowledge of cellular in India doesn't make it OK -- it's still off-topic per
>> the newsgroup charter.
>
>As I said earlier, you do think abnormally.

By your standard. So be it.

>More deeply, we have different ecological priorities: You are one of
>those who want to maximize their own convenience; I am one of those who
>want minimize the waste of common resources (cyber bandwidth in this
>case).

Just the opposite.

>No problem, unless and until one wishes to impose his choice on all.

Indeed.

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In <140820041406541610%[email protected]> on Sat, 14 Aug 2004 19:02:07 GMT, Alex
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In Dreams I Walk With You <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Not choosing one side or another, I think cross-posting is considered
>> not done. Normally one should post in each ng *seperately*.
>
>Pros and cons of x-posting have been debated to death over many years.

But are defined in relevant Usenet guidelines.
Be so kind as to read and respect them.
Include the one on proper address munging while you're at it. ;-)

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...

You left out the most important part of Alex's post:

> > If you haven't paid for it and don't own it, don't try to control it.
> > Unless people have elected you to guide them, don't interfere with
> > their choice; just make your own choice freely.

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It irrelevant. Usenet is "governed" by the news admins that operate it, and
proper conduct is *****ed out in Usenet guidelines. Read and respect them.

In <150820040009169726%[email protected]> on Sun, 15 Aug 2004 05:04:28 GMT, Kiran
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ...
>
>You left out the most important part of Alex's post:
>
>> > If you haven't paid for it and don't own it, don't try to control it.
>> > Unless people have elected you to guide them, don't interfere with
>> > their choice; just make your own choice freely.

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John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> It irrelevant. Usenet is "governed" by the news admins that operate it,
> and proper conduct is *****ed out in Usenet guidelines. Read and respect
> them.

I have known Usent for twenty years, including as news admin a few
times. The point is not whether there are any rules and guidelines, but
whether Mr Navas is stating and interpreting them correctly. He is not.


He is telling us that if somebody had a question about Japanese cinema,
it is forbidden to xpost it to both Japan- and cinema-related groups.
That is beyond being somehow wrong, it is the exact opposite of how
usenet is supposed to function. X-posting was invented precisely for
such purposes.