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  1. #1
    eggster2k
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    Yesterday I took my Orange branded 6600 to my usual Club Nokia
    authorized service centre to have the firmware upgraded from 4.09.1
    (orange customized) to 5.27.0. When i picked up the phone I was
    expecting an orange customized 5.27 (not a problem to me) but to my
    surprise they said they've put the standard generic 5.27 firmware on!
    Brilliant. So, the talk on these newsgroups about the automatic
    firmware choosing devices service centres use is prob just crap!

    Chris



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  2. #2
    Steve Terry
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!


    "eggster2k" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Yesterday I took my Orange branded 6600 to my usual Club Nokia
    > authorized service centre to have the firmware upgraded from 4.09.1
    > (orange customized) to 5.27.0. When i picked up the phone I was
    > expecting an orange customized 5.27 (not a problem to me) but to my
    > surprise they said they've put the standard generic 5.27 firmware on!
    > Brilliant. So, the talk on these newsgroups about the automatic
    > firmware choosing devices service centres use is prob just crap!
    > Chris
    >

    All depends if the engineer followed Cub Nokia policy,
    and used expensive Nokia hardware, or not?

    Then risk Nokia sanctions, there are many cheap unofficial
    DCT4 hardware options these days.

    Steve Terry






  3. #3
    BORG
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!

    On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:56:34 +0100, eggster2k
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Yesterday I took my Orange branded 6600 to my usual Club Nokia
    >authorized service centre to have the firmware upgraded from 4.09.1
    >(orange customized) to 5.27.0. When i picked up the phone I was
    >expecting an orange customized 5.27 (not a problem to me) but to my
    >surprise they said they've put the standard generic 5.27 firmware on!
    >Brilliant. So, the talk on these newsgroups about the automatic
    >firmware choosing devices service centres use is prob just crap!
    >
    >Chris



    well they did mine and the only branding I got was the Welcome to Voda
    screen at the start, no silly Voda things in the menus and a it was
    set to the Vodafone theme. I don't think the 6600 comes with much
    branding anyway
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  4. #4
    Chris P Bacon
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!

    On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:40:32 -0000, "Steve Terry"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"eggster2k" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> Yesterday I took my Orange branded 6600 to my usual Club Nokia
    >> authorized service centre to have the firmware upgraded from 4.09.1
    >> (orange customized) to 5.27.0. When i picked up the phone I was
    >> expecting an orange customized 5.27 (not a problem to me) but to my
    >> surprise they said they've put the standard generic 5.27 firmware on!
    >> Brilliant. So, the talk on these newsgroups about the automatic
    >> firmware choosing devices service centres use is prob just crap!
    >> Chris
    >>

    >All depends if the engineer followed Cub Nokia policy,
    >and used expensive Nokia hardware, or not?
    >
    >Then risk Nokia sanctions, there are many cheap unofficial
    >DCT4 hardware options these days.
    >
    >Steve Terry
    >
    >

    I would not have thought that a main Nokia Service Centre would be
    using cheap unofficial hardware!


    Chris P Bacon



  5. #5
    Richard Colton
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!


    "Chris P Bacon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:40:32 -0000, "Steve Terry"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"eggster2k" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]
    >>> Yesterday I took my Orange branded 6600 to my usual Club Nokia
    >>> authorized service centre to have the firmware upgraded from 4.09.1
    >>> (orange customized) to 5.27.0. When i picked up the phone I was
    >>> expecting an orange customized 5.27 (not a problem to me) but to my
    >>> surprise they said they've put the standard generic 5.27 firmware on!
    >>> Brilliant. So, the talk on these newsgroups about the automatic
    >>> firmware choosing devices service centres use is prob just crap!
    >>> Chris
    >>>

    >>All depends if the engineer followed Cub Nokia policy,
    >>and used expensive Nokia hardware, or not?
    >>
    >>Then risk Nokia sanctions, there are many cheap unofficial
    >>DCT4 hardware options these days.
    >>
    >>Steve Terry
    >>
    >>

    > I would not have thought that a main Nokia Service Centre would be
    > using cheap unofficial hardware!


    Neither would I TBH, but stranger things have been known. I think this is
    more likely a case of a genuine mistake being made, or there being a problem
    with the customised PPM belonging to the version of the MCU that was
    flashed - hence the generic PPM being flashed instead. Some (not many
    though) CNSC's will put unbranded firmware on a branded handset, but they'll
    keep very quiet about it given the possible ramifications if Nokia ever
    found out.

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  6. #6
    Brian Morrison
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!

    On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:01:09 +0000, in article
    <[email protected]nder.co.uk> "Richard Colton"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Some (not many
    > though) CNSC's will put unbranded firmware on a branded handset, but they'll
    > keep very quiet about it given the possible ramifications if Nokia ever
    > found out.


    Makes you wonder why Nokia care about what is done to a customer's own
    property.

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  7. #7
    eggster2k
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!

    On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:01:09 GMT, "Richard Colton"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Neither would I TBH, but stranger things have been known. I think this is
    >more likely a case of a genuine mistake being made, or there being a problem
    >with the customised PPM belonging to the version of the MCU that was
    >flashed - hence the generic PPM being flashed instead. Some (not many
    >though) CNSC's will put unbranded firmware on a branded handset, but they'll
    >keep very quiet about it given the possible ramifications if Nokia ever
    >found out.


    As i said earlier, i took the phone in and just asked them to upgrade
    the firmware, i didn't ask for a generic firmware as the orange
    branding on the 6600 isn't at all bad. When i picked up the phone they
    didn't keep it a secret, she told me they'd put a generic firmware on,
    fine by me.




  8. #8
    Richard Colton
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!


    "Brian Morrison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:01:09 +0000, in article
    > <[email protected]> "Richard Colton"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Some (not many
    >> though) CNSC's will put unbranded firmware on a branded handset, but
    >> they'll
    >> keep very quiet about it given the possible ramifications if Nokia ever
    >> found out.

    >
    > Makes you wonder why Nokia care about what is done to a customer's own
    > property.


    They probably don't in all truth, however, the networks obviously do care
    (or they wouldn't bastardise handsets in the first place), and Nokia will
    care how many phones they sell to the networks - so in other words they
    won't do anything to upset the networks.

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  9. #9
    Richard Colton
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!


    "eggster2k" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:01:09 GMT, "Richard Colton"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Neither would I TBH, but stranger things have been known. I think this is
    >>more likely a case of a genuine mistake being made, or there being a
    >>problem
    >>with the customised PPM belonging to the version of the MCU that was
    >>flashed - hence the generic PPM being flashed instead. Some (not many
    >>though) CNSC's will put unbranded firmware on a branded handset, but
    >>they'll
    >>keep very quiet about it given the possible ramifications if Nokia ever
    >>found out.

    >
    > As i said earlier, i took the phone in and just asked them to upgrade
    > the firmware, i didn't ask for a generic firmware as the orange
    > branding on the 6600 isn't at all bad. When i picked up the phone they
    > didn't keep it a secret, she told me they'd put a generic firmware on,
    > fine by me.


    Absolutely, don't look a gift horse in the mouth and all that.

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  10. #10
    Jon
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!

    Brian Morrison reckoned that...
    > Makes you wonder why Nokia care about what is done to a customer's own
    > property.


    It's quite straightforward really, network operators are by far and away
    Nokia's biggest customer. Therefore Nokia does what the customer
    (network operator - you are merely an 'end-user') tell them to, and that
    usually includes directives along the lines of "thou shalt flash end-
    user handsets with whatever we tell thee to"
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  11. #11
    Brian Morrison
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!

    On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:02:18 +0000, in article
    <[email protected]> "Richard Colton"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Makes you wonder why Nokia care about what is done to a customer's own
    >> property.

    >
    > They probably don't in all truth, however, the networks obviously do care
    > (or they wouldn't bastardise handsets in the first place), and Nokia will
    > care how many phones they sell to the networks - so in other words they
    > won't do anything to upset the networks.


    Sad really. I go out of my way to avoid customised phones, and I hate
    branding. A lot of other people clearly feel the same way. Pity the
    networks don't take more notice of their customers in that sense.

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  12. #12
    Brian Morrison
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!

    On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:21:08 +0000, in article
    <[email protected]> Jon <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Brian Morrison reckoned that...
    >> Makes you wonder why Nokia care about what is done to a customer's own
    >> property.

    >
    > It's quite straightforward really, network operators are by far and away
    > Nokia's biggest customer. Therefore Nokia does what the customer
    > (network operator - you are merely an 'end-user') tell them to, and that
    > usually includes directives along the lines of "thou shalt flash end-
    > user handsets with whatever we tell thee to"


    I know that, but once it is the customer's property I can't see why they
    shouldn't replace the unwanted branded crap with the generic equivalent
    without having the only official source of firmware updates refuse them
    because their network operator has their head inserted in a privy orifice.

    Luckily there are other ways of getting it done that involve paying people
    other than the networks and the manufacturers. Should make you happy ;-)

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  13. #13
    Richard Colton
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!


    "Brian Morrison" <scrapsp[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 09:21:08 +0000, in article
    > <[email protected]> Jon <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Brian Morrison reckoned that...
    >>> Makes you wonder why Nokia care about what is done to a customer's own
    >>> property.

    >>
    >> It's quite straightforward really, network operators are by far and away
    >> Nokia's biggest customer. Therefore Nokia does what the customer
    >> (network operator - you are merely an 'end-user') tell them to, and that
    >> usually includes directives along the lines of "thou shalt flash end-
    >> user handsets with whatever we tell thee to"

    >
    > I know that, but once it is the customer's property I can't see why they
    > shouldn't replace the unwanted branded crap with the generic equivalent
    > without having the only official source of firmware updates refuse them
    > because their network operator has their head inserted in a privy orifice.


    Couldn't agree more, but I can't see it changing in the near future.

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  14. #14
    Brian Morrison
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    Re: NK 6600 upgraded from Orange 4.09.1 to generic 5.27.0!!

    On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:42:34 +0000, in article
    <[email protected]> "Richard Colton"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> I know that, but once it is the customer's property I can't see why they
    >> shouldn't replace the unwanted branded crap with the generic equivalent
    >> without having the only official source of firmware updates refuse them
    >> because their network operator has their head inserted in a privy orifice.

    >
    > Couldn't agree more, but I can't see it changing in the near future.


    I somehow doubt that I'm on the shortlist for a marketing job at any
    of the usual suspects' HQs

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