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  1. #16
    John Navas
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

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    In <[email protected]> on Thu, 09 Dec 2004
    22:31:42 -0700, Michelle Steiner <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Richard Ness" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Or your worn out sig....("provoking contempt")
    >> The election is over Michelle, PLEASE maybe enough is enough?...

    >
    >Impeachment has nothing to do with the election. Clinton's re-election
    >didn't stop the GOP from their impeachment efforts.
    >
    >Yes, enough is enough; I've had enough of Bush's malfeasance in office.


    Your signature is OK; this posting is not. Please stay on-topic, and keep
    politics in a more appropriate forum. Thank you.

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  2. #17
    John Navas
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

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    In <5%[email protected]> on Fri, 10 Dec 2004
    07:12:01 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com> wrote:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >>
    >> In <[email protected]> on Fri, 10 Dec 2004
    >> 00:07:49 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> >It's good that SMS spam is actionable. What's not good is
    >> >that spam (SMS or not) "can be" sent in such a way that
    >> >makes it very difficult to trace the sender of the SMS spam.
    >> >Even worse, the sender can be in a different country.
    >> >An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure here.

    >>
    >> It's actually quite practical for the carrier to trace the origins of SMS
    >> messages.


    >You are clueless about how difficult it can be to
    >trace the sender of SMS messages.


    Read more carefully -- I said: "It's actually quite practical for the carrier
    to trace the ORIGINS [not sender] of SMS messages." [emphasis added] And it
    is, as you would know if you were more familiar with GSM infrastructure,
    including SMS gateways.

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  3. #18
    John Navas
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

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    In <[email protected]> on Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:44:57 -0800, Steve
    Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Protest wrote:
    >> You're wrong. Text messaging (or SMS) here requires
    >> the cell number.

    >
    >No, it most certainly does not.
    >
    >At least not with some carriers.
    >
    >Definitely not with Verizon - they allow you to define an email alias that
    >forwards to your [email protected]. Probably there are other
    >carriers that do this too.


    PhoneNumberWithAreaCode is the "cell number" -- no?

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  4. #19
    Joseph
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:06:24 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    wrote:

    >
    >You're wrong. Text messaging (or SMS) here requires
    >the cell number. And, is very pertinent to the subject under
    >discussion.


    Ah, I see you like to play Jeopardy! No, it is not under discussion.
    It's telemarketing. Learn the difference between telemarketing and
    spamming. They are *not* the same thing. One uses voice the other is
    sent through email.
    >
    >
    >
    >"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 18:52:46 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Don't forget that cell phones also have text messaging features that
    >> >facilitate another form of spam.

    >>
    >> Except you're not dealing with the subject at hand. Go start another
    >> thread about text messaging spam if that's what you're after. This
    >> thread is about telemarketing to cell phones.
    >>
    >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >>

    >


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  5. #20
    Joseph
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:06:24 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    wrote:

    >
    >You're wrong. Text messaging (or SMS) here requires
    >the cell number. And, is very pertinent to the subject under
    >discussion.


    Ah, I see you like to play Jeopardy! No, it is not under discussion.
    It's telemarketing. Learn the difference between telemarketing and
    spamming. They are *not* the same thing. One uses voice the other is
    sent through email.
    >
    >
    >
    >"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 18:52:46 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Don't forget that cell phones also have text messaging features that
    >> >facilitate another form of spam.

    >>
    >> Except you're not dealing with the subject at hand. Go start another
    >> thread about text messaging spam if that's what you're after. This
    >> thread is about telemarketing to cell phones.
    >>
    >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >>

    >


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  6. #21
    Philip
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    Joseph wrote:
    > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:06:24 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> You're wrong. Text messaging (or SMS) here requires
    >> the cell number. And, is very pertinent to the subject under
    >> discussion.

    >
    > Ah, I see you like to play Jeopardy! No, it is not under
    > discussion. It's telemarketing. Learn the difference between
    > telemarketing and spamming. They are *not* the same thing. One
    > uses voice the other is sent through email.


    Agreed. "Spam" is specific to email advertising. Use your spam filters to
    block it.

    "Telemarketing" involves voice contact. Use an answering machine and
    register your phone number with the government registry to stop it.

    --

    - Philip






  7. #22
    Philip
    Guest

    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    Joseph wrote:
    > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:06:24 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> You're wrong. Text messaging (or SMS) here requires
    >> the cell number. And, is very pertinent to the subject under
    >> discussion.

    >
    > Ah, I see you like to play Jeopardy! No, it is not under
    > discussion. It's telemarketing. Learn the difference between
    > telemarketing and spamming. They are *not* the same thing. One
    > uses voice the other is sent through email.


    Agreed. "Spam" is specific to email advertising. Use your spam filters to
    block it.

    "Telemarketing" involves voice contact. Use an answering machine and
    register your phone number with the government registry to stop it.

    --

    - Philip






  8. #23
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    John Navas wrote:

    > PhoneNumberWithAreaCode is the "cell number" -- no?


    Yes, but at least one carrier allows you to have people send you SMS without
    ever knowing your phone number. I used to be sjsobol [at] vtext.com as well as
    7605551212 [at] vtext.com (and 4405551212 [at] vtext.com when I lived in Ohio;
    yes, obviously that's not my real cell phone number, the 760 cell number is
    still active and I'm not posting it here, and I don't want to hear any
    wisecracks from the peanut gallery)

    That was with Verizon. I could have given out sjsobol [at] vtext.com all day as
    my SMS address and no one would ever have to have known my cell number; better
    yet, the alias didn't change when I moved cross-country and received a new number.



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  9. #24
    Michelle Steiner
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Philip" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Agreed. "Spam" is specific to email advertising.


    And to newsgroups.

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  10. #25
    John Navas
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

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    In <[email protected]> on Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:16:53 -0800, Steve
    Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >
    >> PhoneNumberWithAreaCode is the "cell number" -- no?

    >
    >Yes, but at least one carrier allows you to have people send you SMS without
    >ever knowing your phone number. I used to be sjsobol [at] vtext.com as well as
    >7605551212 [at] vtext.com (and 4405551212 [at] vtext.com when I lived in Ohio;
    >yes, obviously that's not my real cell phone number, the 760 cell number is
    >still active and I'm not posting it here, and I don't want to hear any
    >wisecracks from the peanut gallery)
    >
    >That was with Verizon. I could have given out sjsobol [at] vtext.com all day as
    >my SMS address and no one would ever have to have known my cell number; better
    >yet, the alias didn't change when I moved cross-country and received a new number.


    My cell carrier (Cingular) doesn't have that option (AFAIK), but I accomplish
    the same thing with a special email address that forwards automatically to my
    Cingular SMS gateway address, which has the additional benefit that I can
    easily change my special email address to something else if it ever gets
    compromised.

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  11. #26
    Protest
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**


    My point is ... all that is "needed" in order for
    telemarketers to send SMS messages is the cell number,
    which the 411 directory makes available.



    "Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > Protest wrote:
    > > You're wrong. Text messaging (or SMS) here requires
    > > the cell number.

    >
    > No, it most certainly does not.
    >
    > At least not with some carriers.
    >
    > Definitely not with Verizon - they allow you to define an email alias that
    > forwards to your [email protected]. Probably there are other
    > carriers that do this too.
    >
    > --
    > JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
    > Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
    > PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
    > Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.






  12. #27
    Protest
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**


    With people being able to send SMS via email to cell phones now.
    These definitions are changing with the times.



    "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:06:24 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >You're wrong. Text messaging (or SMS) here requires
    > >the cell number. And, is very pertinent to the subject under
    > >discussion.

    >
    > Ah, I see you like to play Jeopardy! No, it is not under discussion.
    > It's telemarketing. Learn the difference between telemarketing and
    > spamming. They are *not* the same thing. One uses voice the other is
    > sent through email.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]
    > >> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 18:52:46 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >Don't forget that cell phones also have text messaging features that
    > >> >facilitate another form of spam.
    > >>
    > >> Except you're not dealing with the subject at hand. Go start another
    > >> thread about text messaging spam if that's what you're after. This
    > >> thread is about telemarketing to cell phones.
    > >>
    > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    > >>

    > >

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  13. #28
    Joseph
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:48:43 GMT, "Protest" <[email protected]_thanks.com>
    wrote:

    >With people being able to send SMS via email to cell phones now.
    >These definitions are changing with the times.


    Still playing Jeopardy I guess. Spam is still email and telemarketing
    is still voice. There is a difference. You need to learn the
    difference!

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  14. #29
    John Richards
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    "David S" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >
    > It's just a sig. Can't you simply ignore it?


    Like it or not, Usenet posters are judged by their sigs.
    Michelle's sig distracts from her otherwise sensible posts.

    --
    John Richards



  15. #30
    John Richards
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    Re: Cell Phone - National Do Not Call Registry - **Information Alert**

    "Michelle Steiner" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >
    > Impeachment has nothing to do with the election. Clinton's re-election
    > didn't stop the GOP from their impeachment efforts.
    >
    > Yes, enough is enough; I've had enough of Bush's malfeasance in office.


    So you think a few liberals calling for impeachment of Bush will have any
    practical effect? It only reinforces the contempt that the majority of
    people have for far left liberals.

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