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  1. #1
    Greg N.
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    Sure the 6230 has loads of functions, is loved by many, wins comparison
    tests and all. Does nobody except me get upset by the horribly poor
    function integration of this thing?

    A few exaples:

    - the Media/Radio won't play without headset, the Media/Music player does.

    - the Media/Radio can be accessed though a shortcut, the Media/Music
    player can't

    - the Media/Music player does not support MP3s on the MMC card, the
    Gallery does.

    - the Media/Music player player does not support MP3s in subdirectories,
    the PC suite does

    - the main window supports custom wallpapers, other menus don't

    - Applications/Extras are accessible through short cuts,
    Applications/Collection are not.

    Looks like they hastily mingled up a bunch of code pieces from their
    firmware grabbox, but made no serious attempt at integration design,
    implementation, and testing. Or maybe they threw it at the consumers
    halfway through the development cycle. The product has been on the
    market for a year now, has seen a bunch of firmware releases and still
    stinks in the integration department.

    Truly unprofessional.



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  2. #2
    Alistair
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    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!


    "Greg N." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Sure the 6230 has loads of functions, is loved by many, wins comparison
    > tests and all. Does nobody except me get upset by the horribly poor
    > function integration of this thing?
    >
    > A few exaples:
    >
    > - the Media/Radio won't play without headset, the Media/Music player does.
    >

    because the headset doubles as the aerial..what good is a radio without
    one?





  3. #3
    Buck Buchanan
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!


    > because the headset doubles as the aerial..what good is a radio without
    > one?
    >


    Pity the aerial wasnt inbuilt like the ph aerial, maybe no room :-)





  4. #4
    Greg N.
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    Alistair wrote:

    >>- the Media/Radio won't play without headset, the Media/Music player does.

    >
    > because the headset doubles as the aerial..what good is a radio without
    > one?


    Good one! I take back this point. Any plausible explanations for my
    other points, too?



  5. #5
    Chris Blunt
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:49:46 -0000, "Alistair"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Greg N." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> Sure the 6230 has loads of functions, is loved by many, wins comparison
    >> tests and all. Does nobody except me get upset by the horribly poor
    >> function integration of this thing?
    >>
    >> A few exaples:
    >>
    >> - the Media/Radio won't play without headset, the Media/Music player does.
    >>

    >because the headset doubles as the aerial..what good is a radio without
    >one?


    The phone appears able to pick up signals from cell sites quite
    adequately without an external aerial, so why can't it pick up a
    signal from commercial FM radio stations? I've seen several miniature
    FM radio receivers that are able to function quite well without a
    large external antenna. I'm sure Nokia could have improved the design
    of this function a bit.

    Chris




  6. #6
    Johan Wevers
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    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    "Greg N." wrote:

    > - the Media/Radio won't play without headset, the Media/Music player does.


    Since the radio antenna is in the headset this is unavoidable.

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  7. #7
    Johan Wevers
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    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    Chris Blunt wrote:

    > signal from commercial FM radio stations? I've seen several miniature
    > FM radio receivers that are able to function quite well without a
    > large external antenna.


    They also use the cable to the earphones as antenna.

    > I'm sure Nokia could have improved the design
    > of this function a bit.


    No, this is a matter of physics. Larger wavelengths require a larger
    antenna, that's not something Nokia can change.

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  8. #8
    raybo
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    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    My 6230 DOES support MP3's on the MMC card ... i play them all the time and
    have copied loads to the card so im not sure what your doing wrong or maybe
    your card is buggered?






  9. #9
    Greg N.
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    raybo wrote:
    > My 6230 DOES support MP3's on the MMC card ... i play them all the time and
    > have copied loads to the card so im not sure what your doing wrong or maybe
    > your card is buggered?


    Sorry, I should have said:

    - the Media/Music player does not support MP3s on the MMC card *in
    subdirectories*, the Gallery does.



  10. #10
    Greg N.
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    [email protected] wrote:

    >>- the Media/Music player does not support MP3s on the MMC card *in
    >>subdirectories*, the Gallery does.

    >
    > It does if you make a playlist first. I've forgotten the details but
    > if you go and look at the 6230 forum at www.expansys.co.uk you'll
    > probably find them there.


    I know, I do it all the time.

    A 512 MB MMC card will hold around 150 to 200 songs. If you do not use
    subdirectories, you have no practical way of finding anything.
    Furthermore, all connection methods (IR, BT, and DKU-2 are really too
    slow for that amount of data, there is no way to fill a 512 MB card in
    less than an hour. I think a memory card reader is really the only
    feasible way of managing large MMC cards, it can do a whole 512 MB in
    less than 10 minutes.

    Then, when you're done with copying your music, you still have to do go
    through the PC suite and update your playlist, otherwise the Media/Music
    player has no way of accessing any of your music.

    That's what I meant by the subsequent point: - the Media/Music player
    player does not support MP3s in subdirectories, the PC suite does



  11. #11
    Greg N.
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    Greg N. wrote:

    > Does nobody except me get upset by the horribly poor
    > function integration of this thing?


    here are a few more examples:

    - large MMC cards (e.g. 1 GB) work only if you format them on a PC. If
    you put them into the phone unformatted, the phone cannot use (format) them.

    - the gallery can automatically play a few seconds off all MP3s in a
    folder ("open in sequence"), but it can't play entire songs this way.



  12. #12
    Chris Blunt
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:14:52 +0000, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:59:17 +0800, Chris Blunt
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:49:46 -0000, "Alistair"
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>"Greg N." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]
    >>>> Sure the 6230 has loads of functions, is loved by many, wins comparison
    >>>> tests and all. Does nobody except me get upset by the horribly poor
    >>>> function integration of this thing?
    >>>>
    >>>> A few exaples:
    >>>>
    >>>> - the Media/Radio won't play without headset, the Media/Music player does.
    >>>>
    >>>because the headset doubles as the aerial..what good is a radio without
    >>>one?

    >>
    >>The phone appears able to pick up signals from cell sites quite
    >>adequately without an external aerial, so why can't it pick up a
    >>signal from commercial FM radio stations? I've seen several miniature
    >>FM radio receivers that are able to function quite well without a
    >>large external antenna. I'm sure Nokia could have improved the design
    >>of this function a bit.

    >
    >
    > Because the wavelength of an FM signal is at least 10 times as great
    >as that of the lowest frequency cell signal thus it needs a much
    >longer antenna for efficient reception.


    So how come an AM radio, which receives signals 1,000 times the
    wavelength of a cell signal still doesn't need an external antenna?
    According to your explanation, it should need an antenna which
    stretches across the road.

    Chris




  13. #13
    R1rob
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    Because it has a ferrite coil antenna, which electrically looks like it
    stretches across the road.
    Electrically FM needs a physically long antenna.

    "Chris Blunt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:14:52 +0000, [email protected] wrote:
    >
    >>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:59:17 +0800, Chris Blunt
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:49:46 -0000, "Alistair"
    >>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>"Greg N." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected]
    >>>>> Sure the 6230 has loads of functions, is loved by many, wins
    >>>>> comparison
    >>>>> tests and all. Does nobody except me get upset by the horribly poor
    >>>>> function integration of this thing?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> A few exaples:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> - the Media/Radio won't play without headset, the Media/Music player
    >>>>> does.
    >>>>>
    >>>>because the headset doubles as the aerial..what good is a radio without
    >>>>one?
    >>>
    >>>The phone appears able to pick up signals from cell sites quite
    >>>adequately without an external aerial, so why can't it pick up a
    >>>signal from commercial FM radio stations? I've seen several miniature
    >>>FM radio receivers that are able to function quite well without a
    >>>large external antenna. I'm sure Nokia could have improved the design
    >>>of this function a bit.

    >>
    >>
    >> Because the wavelength of an FM signal is at least 10 times as great
    >>as that of the lowest frequency cell signal thus it needs a much
    >>longer antenna for efficient reception.

    >
    > So how come an AM radio, which receives signals 1,000 times the
    > wavelength of a cell signal still doesn't need an external antenna?
    > According to your explanation, it should need an antenna which
    > stretches across the road.
    >
    > Chris
    >






  14. #14
    Chris Blunt
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:38:42 +0000, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:01:29 +0800, Chris Blunt
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:14:52 +0000, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:59:17 +0800, Chris Blunt
    >>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:49:46 -0000, "Alistair"
    >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>"Greg N." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>>news:[email protected]
    >>>>>> Sure the 6230 has loads of functions, is loved by many, wins comparison
    >>>>>> tests and all. Does nobody except me get upset by the horribly poor
    >>>>>> function integration of this thing?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> A few exaples:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> - the Media/Radio won't play without headset, the Media/Music player does.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>because the headset doubles as the aerial..what good is a radio without
    >>>>>one?
    >>>>
    >>>>The phone appears able to pick up signals from cell sites quite
    >>>>adequately without an external aerial, so why can't it pick up a
    >>>>signal from commercial FM radio stations? I've seen several miniature
    >>>>FM radio receivers that are able to function quite well without a
    >>>>large external antenna. I'm sure Nokia could have improved the design
    >>>>of this function a bit.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Because the wavelength of an FM signal is at least 10 times as great
    >>>as that of the lowest frequency cell signal thus it needs a much
    >>>longer antenna for efficient reception.

    >>
    >>So how come an AM radio, which receives signals 1,000 times the
    >>wavelength of a cell signal still doesn't need an external antenna?
    >>According to your explanation, it should need an antenna which
    >>stretches across the road.

    >
    >
    >Because it uses a long piece of wire wound onto a ferrite core which
    >(electrically) stretches a very long way down the road.


    So it doesn't actually need to be physically long after all, it just
    needs to appear 'long' electrically. Which brings us back to my
    original point. If Nokia can incorporate an antenna for 1,000MHz which
    will fit inside a phone, and an antenna for 1MHz will also occupy a
    similar amount of space, Nokia should have been able to come up with
    an antenna for 100MHz to do the same.

    Chris




  15. #15
    southpawArcher
    Guest

    Re: 6230 - functional integration stinks!

    "Greg N." <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    wrote:
    "
    > Sure the 6230 has loads of functions, is loved by many, wins
    > comparison tests and all. Does nobody except me get upset by the
    > horribly poor function integration of this thing?
    >
    > A few exaples:
    >

    ....
    > Looks like they hastily mingled up a bunch of code pieces from their
    > firmware grabbox, but made no serious attempt at integration design,
    > implementation, and testing. Or maybe they threw it at the consumers
    > halfway through the development cycle. The product has been on the
    > market for a year now, has seen a bunch of firmware releases and still
    > stinks in the integration department.
    >
    > Truly unprofessional."




    Yes, it does look like a rush job, especially with the interface
    elements. Got mine when they first appeared in April 2004 (so not quite
    a year, then), and the firmware seems still 'unfinished' at v4.44. And
    *still* no direct shortcut for the MP3 player. ??? There's *still* MMC
    recognition problems and card memory reporting glitches. ???

    For a flagship replacement for the 6310i, I don't quite know what they're
    playing at.

    I've contacted Nokia on a few occasions politely asking for clarification
    of fixes for shortcuts and schoolboy-error bugs, but have been
    stonewalled by the Club Nokia drones.

    It's very annoying (almost seems deliberate), so the 6230 will be the
    last Nokia phone I buy. No regrets.


    --
    sA



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