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  1. #1
    enquirer
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    Hi,

    I've just bought a new 6230i and the guy in the shop said I need to charge
    it for 16 hours. The book says only 1 hour and 30 minutes. It has been on
    charge for 2 hours now and the ascending indicator bars are constantly
    displayed meaning fully charged. I'm "chomping at the bit" to play with my
    new toy!!! Is 16 hours continuous charging beneficial/necessary?

    Mnay thanks

    enquirer.





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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    When it shows a full battery you can take it off the charger. 1 1/2 to 2 hours is plenty for most new phones on the market these days.



  3. #3
    linuxman
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    enquirer wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > I've just bought a new 6230i and the guy in the shop said I need to charge
    > it for 16 hours. The book says only 1 hour and 30 minutes. It has been on
    > charge for 2 hours now and the ascending indicator bars are constantly
    > displayed meaning fully charged. I'm "chomping at the bit" to play with my
    > new toy!!! Is 16 hours continuous charging beneficial/necessary?
    >
    > Mnay thanks
    >
    > enquirer.
    >
    >

    I would charge it the 16 hours the first time. Although the battery
    indicator bars are constantly displayed it doesn't necessarily mean that
    the battery would be fully charged. I know the feeling but I'd still
    charge it the 16 hours



  4. #4
    Simon Templar
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    Cell Mansion wrote:
    > When it shows a full battery you can take it off the charger. 1 1/2 to
    > 2 hours is plenty for most new phones on the market these days.


    Typical cellphone forum wanker talking ****. The phone is rapid charged
    up to a set limit and then indicates it is full, but it is actually
    trickle charging until 100% charge is reached.

    Li-Ion batteries require full cycle charging for a couple of times to
    ensure effective ongoing use. From then on you can charge them as you
    like, although I like to full cycle charge them occasionally anyway.

    Failing to cycle the battery initially may result in the battery not
    holding a full charge for the rest of it's life.


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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?


    "linuxman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > enquirer wrote:
    >> Hi,
    >>
    >> I've just bought a new 6230i and the guy in the shop said I need to
    >> charge it for 16 hours. The book says only 1 hour and 30 minutes. It
    >> has been on charge for 2 hours now and the ascending indicator bars are
    >> constantly displayed meaning fully charged. I'm "chomping at the bit" to
    >> play with my new toy!!! Is 16 hours continuous charging
    >> beneficial/necessary?


    Definitely give full 16 hours for the first 2 or 3 chargings

    This will make a big difference to the long term life of the battery





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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Templar
    Cell Mansion wrote:
    > When it shows a full battery you can take it off the charger. 1 1/2 to
    > 2 hours is plenty for most new phones on the market these days.


    Typical cellphone forum wanker talking ****. The phone is rapid charged
    up to a set limit and then indicates it is full, but it is actually
    trickle charging until 100% charge is reached.

    Li-Ion batteries require full cycle charging for a couple of times to
    ensure effective ongoing use. From then on you can charge them as you
    like, although I like to full cycle charge them occasionally anyway.

    Failing to cycle the battery initially may result in the battery not
    holding a full charge for the rest of it's life.


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    73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
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    Typical person not a part of the forums thinking he knows more than we do. Being that we currently own over 600 cellular retail stores in the U.S., we know our product inside and out. Full cycling a Li-ion battery DEPLETES capacity. Also, rapid chargers stop charging the battery after the phone indicates that it is full...that's the function of the I/C Chip.

    In other words, if you want to buy another battery within 6 months follow Simon Templar advice.



  7. #7
    Simon Templar
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    Cell Mansion wrote:

    > Typical person not a part of the forums thinking he knows more than we
    > do. Being that we currently own over 600 cellular retail stores in the
    > U.S., we know our product inside and out. Full cycling a Li-ion battery
    > *DEPLETES* capacity. Also, rapid chargers *stop* charging the battery
    > after the phone indicates that it is full...that's the function of the
    > I/C Chip.
    >
    > In other words, if you want to buy another battery within 6 months
    > follow Simon Templar advice.


    For a start moron, we are not in a forum, you might be where you are
    hanging out. But that shows your ignorance that you are in fact being
    relayed on to USENET. Most moron's that post in forums that are relayed
    out to USENET don't know what they are dribbling about.

    I have charged many Li-Ion batteries this way, as do many radio
    operators I know, and none of us have ever had issues with batteries.

    If you are selling batteries and encouraging people to degrade them then
    go right ahead. I certainly won't get in the way of a sale.



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  8. #8
    Ed Chilada
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:12:11 +1000, Simon Templar <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Cell Mansion wrote:
    >> When it shows a full battery you can take it off the charger. 1 1/2 to
    >> 2 hours is plenty for most new phones on the market these days.

    >
    >Typical cellphone forum wanker talking ****. The phone is rapid charged
    >up to a set limit and then indicates it is full, but it is actually
    >trickle charging until 100% charge is reached.
    >
    >Li-Ion batteries require full cycle charging for a couple of times to
    >ensure effective ongoing use. From then on you can charge them as you
    >like, although I like to full cycle charge them occasionally anyway.
    >
    >Failing to cycle the battery initially may result in the battery not
    >holding a full charge for the rest of it's life.


    You'd think they wouldn't put "1 hour and 30 minutes" in the manual
    then?




  9. #9
    Blade
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?


    "Ed Chilada" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:12:11 +1000, Simon Templar <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Cell Mansion wrote:
    >>> When it shows a full battery you can take it off the charger. 1 1/2 to
    >>> 2 hours is plenty for most new phones on the market these days.

    >>
    >>Typical cellphone forum wanker talking ****. The phone is rapid charged
    >>up to a set limit and then indicates it is full, but it is actually
    >>trickle charging until 100% charge is reached.
    >>
    >>Li-Ion batteries require full cycle charging for a couple of times to
    >>ensure effective ongoing use. From then on you can charge them as you
    >>like, although I like to full cycle charge them occasionally anyway.
    >>
    >>Failing to cycle the battery initially may result in the battery not
    >>holding a full charge for the rest of it's life.

    >
    > You'd think they wouldn't put "1 hour and 30 minutes" in the manual
    > then?
    >


    Yes, they would.

    The more batteries you have to buy the more money they make.

    Some time ago a technical guy posted that he found that current still flows
    (although not strong) with a tester he put on the
    cable between the charger and phone, after the phone indicated that it was
    full.





  10. #10
    Simon Templar
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    Blade wrote:
    > Yes, they would.
    >
    > The more batteries you have to buy the more money they make.
    >
    > Some time ago a technical guy posted that he found that current still flows
    > (although not strong) with a tester he put on the
    > cable between the charger and phone, after the phone indicated that it was
    > full.


    That's correct, if you rapid charged a battery to 100% they would over
    heat and have dramatic consequences.

    That is exactly why they drop back to trickle charge, at that time the
    battery is probably 80 to 90% of charge. This is fine for a battery
    that has been cycled a few times but not such a good idea for a brand
    new battery.

    I normally have spare batteries which allows me to leave them on charge
    overnight. With the charger dropping back to trickle charge there is no
    danger of leaving them on charge for a day or so if you can't get back
    to them.


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  11. #11
    Ed Chilada
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:37:00 +0200, "Blade" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Ed Chilada" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:12:11 +1000, Simon Templar <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Cell Mansion wrote:
    >>>> When it shows a full battery you can take it off the charger. 1 1/2 to
    >>>> 2 hours is plenty for most new phones on the market these days.
    >>>
    >>>Typical cellphone forum wanker talking ****. The phone is rapid charged
    >>>up to a set limit and then indicates it is full, but it is actually
    >>>trickle charging until 100% charge is reached.
    >>>
    >>>Li-Ion batteries require full cycle charging for a couple of times to
    >>>ensure effective ongoing use. From then on you can charge them as you
    >>>like, although I like to full cycle charge them occasionally anyway.
    >>>
    >>>Failing to cycle the battery initially may result in the battery not
    >>>holding a full charge for the rest of it's life.

    >>
    >> You'd think they wouldn't put "1 hour and 30 minutes" in the manual
    >> then?
    >>

    >
    >Yes, they would.
    >The more batteries you have to buy the more money they make.


    You reckon they'd put bogus information in the manual to try and get
    people to break their batteries to give poor performance (and thus
    make the phone look bad), just on the off chance they'd buy a
    replacement? Given that the battery would be bad from the off, most
    users would presume that it's the phone performance that's crap,
    rather than assume that their brand new battery needs replacing.


    >Some time ago a technical guy posted that he found that current still flows
    >(although not strong) with a tester he put on the
    >cable between the charger and phone, after the phone indicated that it was
    >full.


    That's entirely what I'd expect. When connected to a charger, I'd
    expect the phone to use that power to function, even after the battery
    had been charged.





  12. #12
    Blade
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?


    "Ed Chilada" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:37:00 +0200, "Blade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Ed Chilada" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]
    >>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:12:11 +1000, Simon Templar <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Cell Mansion wrote:
    >>>>> When it shows a full battery you can take it off the charger. 1 1/2
    >>>>> to
    >>>>> 2 hours is plenty for most new phones on the market these days.
    >>>>
    >>>>Typical cellphone forum wanker talking ****. The phone is rapid charged
    >>>>up to a set limit and then indicates it is full, but it is actually
    >>>>trickle charging until 100% charge is reached.
    >>>>
    >>>>Li-Ion batteries require full cycle charging for a couple of times to
    >>>>ensure effective ongoing use. From then on you can charge them as you
    >>>>like, although I like to full cycle charge them occasionally anyway.
    >>>>
    >>>>Failing to cycle the battery initially may result in the battery not
    >>>>holding a full charge for the rest of it's life.
    >>>
    >>> You'd think they wouldn't put "1 hour and 30 minutes" in the manual
    >>> then?
    >>>

    >>
    >>Yes, they would.
    >>The more batteries you have to buy the more money they make.

    >
    > You reckon they'd put bogus information in the manual to try and get
    > people to break their batteries to give poor performance (and thus
    > make the phone look bad), just on the off chance they'd buy a
    > replacement? Given that the battery would be bad from the off, most
    > users would presume that it's the phone performance that's crap,
    > rather than assume that their brand new battery needs replacing.
    >

    The longer charge helps with batterylife. I suppose after 2 years the
    effects start to show.
    I have a 8310 that was bought when they were launched. I can't remember the
    date
    but it still runs on it's original battery, with no problems and a long
    usage time between chargers.
    It is still used on a daily basis by a young child. Obviosly off in the
    mornings when at school
    but on the whole afternoon. Playes the games on it, text messages and some
    calls.
    Mostly forgotten in the schoolcase, so it is on overnight most of the time.

    >>Some time ago a technical guy posted that he found that current still
    >>flows
    >>(although not strong) with a tester he put on the
    >>cable between the charger and phone, after the phone indicated that it was
    >>full.

    >
    > That's entirely what I'd expect. When connected to a charger, I'd
    > expect the phone to use that power to function, even after the battery
    > had been charged.
    >

    The phone was off for the test.





  13. #13
    Ed Chilada
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    Re: Charge new phone for how long?

    On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:15:41 +0200, "Blade" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Ed Chilada" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]
    >> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:37:00 +0200, "Blade" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Some time ago a technical guy posted that he found that current still
    >>>flows (although not strong) with a tester he put on the cable between
    >>>the charger and phone, after the phone indicated that it was full.

    >>
    >> That's entirely what I'd expect. When connected to a charger, I'd
    >> expect the phone to use that power to function, even after the battery
    >> had been charged.
    >>

    >The phone was off for the test.


    IME a phone is never truly off if power is present - that's how they
    can implement 'soft' on switches. Certainly, if I power down any SE
    phone I've ever owned and then plug the charger in, it will react and
    show a charging rate on the screen. Even when that charge reaches
    full, there's nothing to suggest that the phone powers down entirely
    and I'd fully expect it to still be drawing current along the wire.




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