Bye-Bye Nokia!

Joe Gill wrote:

>>> Nokia abandons JV with Sanyo
>>> Nokia will no longer build their own CDMA phones
>>>
>>> See: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1980432,00.asp
>>
>> They will continue to provide them for North America, where the CDMA
>> standard is strongly supported. hey will not provide them to the rest of
>> the world, where CDMA is on the wane.
>
> I stand by my original statement
> "Nokia will no longer build their own CDMA phones"
>
> As the article states
> "You'll still see CDMA phones with the Nokia name on them here in the US,
> but they'll be made by other companies, such as Korea's Pantech and KTFT."
> It will be a Pantech or KTFT phone with a Nokia 'label'.....
>
> And from their own press release
> http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1059329
> "Nokia plans to ramp down its own CDMA R&D and manufacturing by April 2007"

Yeah. And the idiocy continues.

They failed in the CDMA market in the first place, because there was a LONG
period between the Nokia 2100-series phones and the working CDMA phones they
finally released seven or eight years later, where their CDMA handsets
flat-out sucked. Nokia's CDMA products were so crappy that for years, Sprint
and Verizon refused to sell them.

Now, instead of hooking up with Sanyo, a deal which would help both companies
-- on a technical level, Sanyos are widely regarded to be some of the best
phones Sprint sells, and the Nokia deal would have helped gain Sanyo more
market share, because they only sell their own phones through Sprint --
Nokia's decided to go with... well, who the hell *are* Pantech and KTFT, anyhow?

They've proven once again that they are clueless with regards to CDMA.

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Steve Sobol wrote:
> They've proven once again that they are clueless with regards to CDMA.

The simple reason Nokia have pretty much dumped CDMA is that licence
fees to Qaulcom (I think that is the mob) are excessive and secondly it
is a dying market. World wide it is on the decline and despite popular
belief the US is not the centre of the Universe and are not the only
market in the world.

Nokia have made a financial decision to stick with GSM and 3G as they
see it as the future in phones.


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Simon Templar wrote:
> Steve Sobol wrote:
>> They've proven once again that they are clueless with regards to CDMA.
>
> The simple reason Nokia have pretty much dumped CDMA is that licence
> fees to Qaulcom (I think that is the mob) are excessive and secondly it
> is a dying market.

I think you're missing the points:

(a) They never *had* any decent commitment to CDMA, and
(b) yes, I understand the licensing fees were high, but when Nokia did their
own CDMA chipsets they sucked ass. I speak from experience as a longtime
Nokia CDMA phone user in the US.

> belief the US is not the centre of the Universe and are not the only
> market in the world.

Simon, I'm actually an American who *doesn't* believe the US is the center of
the Universe, so you'll get no argument from me there. However, it IS a large
market, and four of the six major players in this country -- Verizon
Wireless, Sprint, Alltel and US Cellular -- are CDMA, so there's money to be
made. If Nokia had started off on the right foot in the first place, maybe
they'd be doing well enough that things wouldn't have come to this.

> Nokia have made a financial decision to stick with GSM and 3G as they
> see it as the future in phones.

Which is fine with me. My main point was that, as I mentioned, their
commitment to CDMA has always been, at best, very weak.

Ironically, after using CDMA carriers for years, I now use T-Mobile USA (1900
MHz GSM), so the decision doesn't affect me...

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It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.

thumbs up to nokia nokia should focus on gsm phones for china, and other booming countries. its way more profitable outside the US

Warning - this is mostly a rant:


Steve Sobol <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> The simple reason Nokia have pretty much dumped CDMA is that licence
>> fees to Qaulcom (I think that is the mob) are excessive and secondly it
>> is a dying market.

>Simon, I'm actually an American who *doesn't* believe the US is the center of
>the Universe, so you'll get no argument from me there.

Yeah, me too. Something about, if US is center of the Universe, &
Wal-Mart is rapidly becoming the center of the US, & it mostly caters
to a homogenous, narrow-choice, cheap, dumb-down culture, well, that's
just pretty sad... Not to mention a culture that prefers spending a
trillion on a stupid war while not providing decent health care to a
very large percentage of the population. Not to mention a culture
that seems to believe Steve Ballmer needs a tax cut so he can realize
200million more on a billion $ stock sale while the rest of us pay
more tax to cover that trillion $ war. Not to mention a culture so
stupid it continues to vote for millionaire politicians instead of
people who might understand what living on average wage is like.

But, hey, nobody's perfect, eh what?

Politics aside, I have a Nokia 3589i from Verizon which I chose a
couple of years ago because it spec'd best battery life & PC
connectivity. Only after I received the phone was it apparent Verizon
required Nokia to prevent their software from doing much that was
useful because Verizon wants to charge me $$$ to host my data on their
servers for their stupid Get It Now service. No, I don't want to pay
Verizon to host my data on their servers, I have a perfectly good
computer of my own to connect with my phone. How much Get It Now $$$
do they really think they'll lose?

Ok, so I think Verizon is stupid. Maybe I should choose a different
carrier. Unfortunately, there isn't one with the coverage I desire -
rural New Mexico & Colorado. Not much choice.

Anyways, I don't give much of a crap about CDMA or GSM, I just want a
phone whose content I can manage with my PC, which of course runs
Linux. At least for Nokia phones there is gnokii & gammu, if you can
get them to work. Haven't seen anything for other phones.

So, pick your poison...

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On 2006-06-25, bgeer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Anyways, I don't give much of a crap about CDMA or GSM, I just
> want a phone whose content I can manage with my PC, which of
> course runs Linux. At least for Nokia phones there is gnokii
> & gammu, if you can get them to work. Haven't seen anything
> for other phones.

BitPim works fine with my LG VX4400. The web page at SF says
it works for many other CDMA phones from LG, Samsung, Sanyo and
others that use a Qualcomm chipset.

I've only BitPim under Linux -- there are builds for Windows
and MacOS X also:

http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/

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bgeer wrote:
>
>... & Wal-Mart is rapidly becoming the center of
> the US, & it mostly caters to a homogenous,
> narrow-choice, cheap, dumb-down culture, well, that's
> just pretty sad...

> Not to mention a culture so stupid it continues to vote for
> millionaire politicians instead of people who might
> understand what living on average wage is like.

That would be the Wal-Mart crowd mentioned above? that
understands what living on average wage is like?

-Quick

bgeer <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> Not to mention a culture that prefers spending a
> trillion on a stupid war while not providing decent health care to a
> very large percentage of the population. Not to mention a culture
> that seems to believe Steve Ballmer needs a tax cut so he can realize
> 200million more on a billion $ stock sale while the rest of us pay
> more tax to cover that trillion $ war. Not to mention a culture so
> stupid it continues to vote for millionaire politicians instead of
> people who might understand what living on average wage is like.
>
>

You don't REALLY believe the "culture", the people of the country, have
anything to say about what the hand-picked lawyers on the ballot do to
them, do you? Federal politicians and bureaucrats don't give a rats ass
what Americans want or there'd be no income tax. Ask any American you meet
on the street....

"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in news:0ABng.108785
[email protected]:

> hat would be the Wal-Mart crowd mentioned above? that
> understands what living on average wage is like?
>
> -Quick
>
>

Hi, Quicky! Long time, no heckle!

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Quick wrote:
>> ... & Wal-Mart is rapidly becoming the center of
>> the US, & it mostly caters to a homogenous,
>> narrow-choice, cheap, dumb-down culture, well, that's
>> just pretty sad...

I've seen examples of modern "European culture" that make the US (and yes,
even Wal-Mart) look like pinnacles of enlightenment by comparison.

>> Not to mention a culture so stupid it continues to vote for
>> millionaire politicians instead of people who might
>> understand what living on average wage is like.
> That would be the Wal-Mart crowd mentioned above? that
> understands what living on average wage is like?

If the millionaire politicians were all removed from office, then the
entire USA would be controlled by Republicans. Far more Democrats than
Republicans are millionaires.

Populist agitators should be careful what they advocate. After all, they
may get their wish. The Law of Unintended Consequences is the only law
that is never broken.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

Larry wrote:
> "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:0ABng.108785 [email protected]:
>
>> hat would be the Wal-Mart crowd mentioned above? that
>> understands what living on average wage is like?
>>
>> -Quick
>>
>>
>
> Hi, Quicky! Long time, no heckle!

Oh! Is this Larry (E) or tin foil hat Larry?

-Quick

Quick wrote:

> Oh! Is this Larry (E) or tin foil hat Larry?

[email protected] is Bagphone Larry.


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