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  1. #16
    R. P.
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote:
    > No. Just a dense area. At work and at home I see between 18 and 25
    > access points. Very few of them are open, though.


    Even if they are open it does not mean it is legal to use them just
    because you can get away with it.

    R. P.




    See More: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.




  2. #17
    BruceR
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.



    Justin wrote:
    > Oxford wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:12:33 -0600]:
    >> Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>> apple isn't allowing ATT to play silly games with the iphone. when
    >>>> you buy an iPhone, it's YOURS, not tied to any funky contract.
    >>>> Only if you want the proprietary minutes and uncertain levels of
    >>>> data access do you pay the $59.99 a month fee.
    >>>>
    >>>> but the phone is yours, ATT doesn't have any say on the phone. A
    >>>> first for the industry.
    >>>>
    >>>> once Skype, or Apple's rumored iTalk is on the iPhone, ATT is
    >>>> toast.
    >>>
    >>> So, where do you live that wifi is so ubiquitous? Lala land? Do they
    >>> have fairy princesses and unicorns, too?

    >>
    >> I live in the USA, currently on my powerbook i see 12 wifi points, 4
    >> are fully open. (the green dot means open) so just select a green
    >> dot and you are now able to make free phone calls.

    >
    > I see one wifi point, the one I provide for myself.
    >
    > When I drive there are zero wifi points. At my office there are zero.
    >
    > You're living in a fantasy land.
    >
    >> It will be this way for everyone in 10 years, sell all Cell Stock,
    >> you've been official warned.

    >
    > You're an idiot.


    Maybe you shouldn't judge so quickly. From my office I see 28 wifi
    points with about half open. At home I see three wifi points and only
    mine is secure. While wifi won't replace all cell traffic it can
    replace a large percentage if you make a lot of calls from home or
    office.





  3. #18
    BruceR
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.



    Oxford wrote:
    > Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> nope, it's only to gain credit info. for some reason, cell companies
    >>> think they are special and feel they must look into your credit
    >>> before they lock you into a "crazy" 2 year contract. they don't
    >>> know that a simpler way is to cut off phone access if you don't
    >>> pay. contracts are old world mafia concepts, cell phone companies
    >>> are completely in the dark on how to run a business on this one.

    >>
    >> Ah yes, so when you run up a $1000 bill and you run off with a
    >> couple of hundred dollar phone, they only have themselves to blame.

    >
    > yes, it just illustrates how primitive their bill systems are. if you
    > racked up a $80.01 bill on phone calls, and you had a $80.00 per month
    > plan, the phone should simply shut off. But noooooooooo, they don't
    > have the billing equipment up to speed to do this so they treat the
    > customer as a thief. They have it purely backwards, thankfully, Apple
    > will now straighten them out.
    >
    >> Any metred service like that has the potential to have credit risk.

    >
    > yes, but only if they don't have a modern system in place. basically
    > we are seeing the clash of the modern world (computing) to the
    > ancient "ma bell" world when bills were kept on scraps of paper and
    > punchcards. ATT and all the others are woefully behind the times,
    > again, Apple will demand they straighten this out, they will have no
    > choice.


    What are you smoking? Of course they have those systems in place - how
    do you think prepaid works? The reason they let you go over your plan
    amount is that sometimes people don't manage their plans to equate to
    their usage so they pay overtime penalties. They have only themselves to
    blame for not monitoring their own usage. How will Apple "straighten
    them out?" I've heard nothing about any new billing system for their new
    phone.





  4. #19
    Tim Smith
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> So, where do you live that wifi is so ubiquitous? Lala land? Do they
    > >> have fairy princesses and unicorns, too?

    > >
    > > I live in the USA, currently on my powerbook i see 12 wifi points, 4 are
    > > fully open. (the green dot means open) so just select a green dot and
    > > you are now able to make free phone calls.

    >
    > I see one wifi point, the one I provide for myself.
    >
    > When I drive there are zero wifi points. At my office there are zero.
    >
    > You're living in a fantasy land.


    No, he's living in a thing called a "city". A couple months ago, for
    example, I had occasion to spend a couple nights in a hotel in Seattle.
    I did a scan for wifi networks and found something like 40 or 50, with
    at least a dozen open.

    --
    --Tim Smith



  5. #20
    ed
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Leave it to Apple to finally make ACTIVATING a cell phone simple.
    >
    > This is huge, and will leave Verizon, Nokia, T-Mobile in the dust. The
    > era of the painful activation process is now over, that is, if you have
    > an iPhone. Congrats to Apple for solving another major hassle in life!
    >
    > The Video of how it works is at the bottom of this post... fun to watch!
    >
    > ----
    >
    > Apple and AT&T announce do-it-yourself iPhone Activation and Sync via
    > iTunes
    >
    > Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 08:35 AM EDT
    >
    > Apple and AT&T Inc. today announced that iPhone users will be able to
    > activate their new iPhones using Apple's popular iTunes software running
    > on a Mac or PC in the comfort and privacy of their own home or office,
    > without having to wait in a store while their phone is activated.
    > Activating iPhone takes only minutes as iTunes guides the user through
    > simple steps to choose their service plan, authorize their credit and
    > activate their iPhone.

    <snip>
    > "Users will be able to activate their new iPhone in the comfort and
    > privacy of their own home or office, without having to wait in a store
    > while their phone is activated," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO, in the
    > press release.


    none of this is exactly new. when i bought a new phone from verizon (same
    account), the phone self activated over the cell network after calling a
    number. i could of also done it through their web site.

    <snip>




  6. #21
    ed
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> > iPhone activation requires an Internet connection; an iTunes Store
    >> > account or a major credit card; a valid Social Security number (as
    >> > required by AT&T);

    >>
    >> WTF? What the bloody hell does AT&T think they need your SSN for? Or
    >> anyone else, for that matter? Your SSN is not a national ID card.

    >
    > no, but it is the key to credit records, so unless you give that key,
    > you'll use the iphone through regular 802.11.


    no you won't, as there's a mandatory two year contract.




  7. #22
    ed
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Jun 26, 4:35 pm, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> > Leave it to Apple to finally make ACTIVATING a cell phone simple.
    >>> >
    >>> > This is huge, and will leave Verizon, Nokia, T-Mobile in the dust. The
    >>> > era of the painful activation process is now over, that is, if you
    >>> > have
    >>> > an iPhone. Congrats to Apple for solving another major hassle in life!
    >>>
    >>> Indeed - way to go Apple! No more dealing with arrogant sales punks,
    >>> yay!

    >>
    >> yes! i've never understood why they have so many phone stores and
    >> "punks" in the first place. sounds like they are making too much money
    >> for no good reason. apple will put a stop to that in a hurry.
    >>
    >> getting rid of the "go into a store" for activation concept is long over
    >> due, and now the iPhone will make it standard across the industry for
    >> every cell phone buyer. great!

    >
    > Having never owned a personal cell phone (only work phones) I didn't even
    > know that was the case. Definitely a good move by Apple.


    well, the thing is, it's not the case. verizon phones can self activate
    over the cell network without going into the store.




  8. #23
    none
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "ed" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > no, but it is the key to credit records, so unless you give that key,
    > > you'll use the iphone through regular 802.11.

    >
    > no you won't, as there's a mandatory two year contract.


    well, see. hacking the iphone to get around that will be solved within
    days.



  9. #24
    none
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    Justin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >
    > > Maybe you shouldn't judge so quickly. From my office I see 28 wifi
    > > points with about half open. At home I see three wifi points and only
    > > mine is secure. While wifi won't replace all cell traffic it can
    > > replace a large percentage if you make a lot of calls from home or
    > > office.

    >
    > Yeah, let's steal our way to "free" calls.


    VOIP isn't stealing, not sure where you get that idea. It's just a more
    modern way to move lots of voice traffic, putting Cell Companies OUT OF
    BUSINESS is the whole goal here, don't you understand what Apple and
    their customers are trying to do?

    > How will you get access where there is no wifi? Since there won't be any
    > cell phone companies to use.


    Spend $20 and put up another wifi access point, most modern cities are
    full of open wifi, it will only become more prevalent in smaller cities
    over the coming years. Apple brought the world modern WiFi starting in
    2001, so give them a break, wifi is now quite popular and basically free
    to install, so it's a no brainer that Cell Companies will have to adapt
    to "free ip calls" or die.



  10. #25
    none
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "R. P." <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > No. Just a dense area. At work and at home I see between 18 and 25
    > > access points. Very few of them are open, though.

    >
    > Even if they are open it does not mean it is legal to use them just
    > because you can get away with it.


    it's perfectly "legal" to use an open access point, no law or no lawsuit
    has ever been won concerning this. it's all about sharing the pipes...
    they are constantly running about about 20% of capacity, so another few
    percent isn't hurting anybody.



  11. #26
    BruceR
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.



    Justin wrote:
    > BruceR wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:21:01 -1000]:
    >>
    >>
    >> Justin wrote:
    >>> Oxford wrote on [Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:12:33 -0600]:
    >>>> Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>>> apple isn't allowing ATT to play silly games with the iphone.
    >>>>>> when you buy an iPhone, it's YOURS, not tied to any funky
    >>>>>> contract. Only if you want the proprietary minutes and uncertain
    >>>>>> levels of data access do you pay the $59.99 a month fee.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> but the phone is yours, ATT doesn't have any say on the phone. A
    >>>>>> first for the industry.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> once Skype, or Apple's rumored iTalk is on the iPhone, ATT is
    >>>>>> toast.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So, where do you live that wifi is so ubiquitous? Lala land? Do
    >>>>> they have fairy princesses and unicorns, too?
    >>>>
    >>>> I live in the USA, currently on my powerbook i see 12 wifi points,
    >>>> 4 are fully open. (the green dot means open) so just select a green
    >>>> dot and you are now able to make free phone calls.
    >>>
    >>> I see one wifi point, the one I provide for myself.
    >>>
    >>> When I drive there are zero wifi points. At my office there are
    >>> zero.
    >>>
    >>> You're living in a fantasy land.
    >>>
    >>>> It will be this way for everyone in 10 years, sell all Cell Stock,
    >>>> you've been official warned.
    >>>
    >>> You're an idiot.

    >>
    >> Maybe you shouldn't judge so quickly. From my office I see 28 wifi
    >> points with about half open. At home I see three wifi points and only
    >> mine is secure. While wifi won't replace all cell traffic it can
    >> replace a large percentage if you make a lot of calls from home or
    >> office.

    >
    > Yeah, let's steal our way to "free" calls.
    >
    > How will you get access where there is no wifi? Since there won't be
    > any cell phone companies to use.


    If that's the case, I don't know. I imagine some type of plan will be
    available because it is happening. Many downtown areas are providing
    free internate access to blanket a whole area so it IS going to happen.





  12. #27
    none
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    Justin <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > VOIP isn't stealing, not sure where you get that idea. It's just a more
    > > modern way to move lots of voice traffic, putting Cell Companies OUT OF
    > > BUSINESS is the whole goal here, don't you understand what Apple and
    > > their customers are trying to do?

    >
    > Unauthorised use of a WAP is illegal. get the point.


    And you can now point us to any LAW that says that. Bet you can't! There
    are NO LAWS covering this area, and likely never will be. The Electronic
    Frontier Foundation and Woz would be all over that if it ever came up in
    a court. Please learn how the web works, thanks!

    > >> How will you get access where there is no wifi? Since there won't be any
    > >> cell phone companies to use.

    > >
    > > Spend $20 and put up another wifi access point, most modern cities are
    > > full of open wifi, it will only become more prevalent in smaller cities
    > > over the coming years. Apple brought the world modern WiFi starting in
    > > 2001, so give them a break, wifi is now quite popular and basically free
    > > to install, so it's a no brainer that Cell Companies will have to adapt
    > > to "free ip calls" or die.

    >
    > Oh yes, I will spend $20 and put up another WAP. How do you connect that
    > $20 WAP to the internet?
    >
    > Oops!
    >
    > You're obviously a moron.


    And you don't understand how wireless works, you will in time, but for
    now, everyone is laughing at you.



  13. #28
    Oxford
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > You're living in a fantasy land.
    > >
    > >> It will be this way for everyone in 10 years, sell all Cell Stock,
    > >> you've been official warned.

    > >
    > > You're an idiot.

    >
    > Maybe you shouldn't judge so quickly. From my office I see 28 wifi
    > points with about half open. At home I see three wifi points and only
    > mine is secure. While wifi won't replace all cell traffic it can
    > replace a large percentage if you make a lot of calls from home or
    > office.


    just ignore Justin, he clearly doesn't live in a modern enough area to
    understand what is going on. I kinda feel sorry for him in a way, but I
    think he'll "get it", at some point, he's not dumb, just very poorly
    informed.



  14. #29
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
    [email protected]:

    > Apple and AT&T Inc. today announced that iPhone users will be able to
    > activate their new iPhones using Apple's popular iTunes software

    running
    > on a Mac or PC in the comfort and privacy of their own home or office,
    > without having to wait in a store while their phone is activated.
    > Activating iPhone takes only minutes as iTunes guides the user through
    > simple steps to choose their service plan, authorize their credit and
    > activate their iPhone.
    >
    >


    Aha! As I thought. It's all about APPLE integration (and enslavement).
    Oh, it's SO easy to just install iTunes and all the crapware for your
    browsers....so easy...(c;

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  15. #30
    Larry
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
    [email protected]:

    > once Skype, or Apple's rumored iTalk is on the iPhone, ATT is toast.
    >
    >


    GO, WIMAX, GO!

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




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