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  1. #31
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    Justin <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > I see one wifi point, the one I provide for myself.
    >
    > When I drive there are zero wifi points. At my office there are zero.
    >
    > You're living in a fantasy land.
    >
    >> It will be this way for everyone in 10 years, sell all Cell Stock,
    >> you've been official warned.

    >
    > You're an idiot.
    >
    >


    All my IMTS-equipped friends called me the same names when I dumped the
    "Carphone" under the dash and installed that "new fangled" AMPS bagphone
    antenna. "Why would you want a phone you could carry out of the car?",
    the skeptics constantly pointed out. "You're an idiot! They only have
    two towers in the whole city!"

    Nay, Nay, I say. Wasn't so many years those "idiots" bought those
    bagphones or funny bricks you talked into the side of and everyone shook
    their heads.

    WiMax is coming.....not long from now. Cellular, Cable and DSL carrier
    will all be standing in the middle of the bowling lane trying to stop the
    WiMax ball from reaching that first "strike" on those pins. Their
    politicians will be holding hands across the lane, their filthy hands
    lined with telecom money....but that's going to be a big, heavy ball
    rolling down that alley. Too big and fast to stop....just like Cellular
    Phones were when Ma Bell did everything she could to prevent you having a
    non-Ma-Bell portable telephone in your pocket......

    How soon we forget this mistakes of the past.....

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




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  2. #32
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    Justin <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > And you'd consider replacing your cell phone with a wifi phone?
    >
    >


    Not quite yet...but very soon. Charleston, SC, is expanding their free
    wifi outward from downtown. I can use the Netgear SPH101 Skype phone in
    a lot of places to bypass the cellular ripoff, and those areas keep
    getting larger and larger. Their interconnection and integration is no
    longer a decade away. Lots of laptop owners VOTE...and my city knows it!

    I figure the cellphone will be in my pocket another 10 years before it's
    time to move on to the next generation of pocket comms. That's about how
    long I had a "Carphone", and after that a bagphone and after that a
    cellphone.... It won't be forever.

    Larry
    --
    Too funny. While I was typing this my Skype phone on wifi woke up. One
    of my buddies is a govt contractor working this month in Australia. He
    wants to come home where it's WARM...(c;



  3. #33
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "R. P." <[email protected]> wrote in
    news[email protected]:

    > Even if they are open it does not mean it is legal to use them just
    > because you can get away with it.
    >
    > R. P.
    >
    >


    RP, feel free to use mine. SSID is W4CSC. It's running 400mw at 50' to a
    high gain omni vertical. Help yourself....lots of others do....(c;

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  4. #34
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    none <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
    02.inet.qwest.net:

    > it's perfectly "legal" to use an open access point, no law or no lawsuit
    > has ever been won concerning this. it's all about sharing the pipes...
    > they are constantly running about about 20% of capacity, so another few
    > percent isn't hurting anybody.
    >
    >


    MIT, not exactly a hotbed of illegal activity, has a special course for
    their students on wardriving and connecting to open systems, now. There
    was a news article about it on CNN Pipeline, but I don't see it on the on-
    demand list now.

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  5. #35
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4681d79f$0$12166
    [email protected]:

    > At home I see three wifi points and only
    > mine is secure.


    Hey! Come on! Open up! Mine is open, 400mw at 50' to a high gain antenna
    and I've never had any troubles in years. You can use SSID W4CSC, any
    time. Open yours up and share the pipes!

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  6. #36
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    Justin <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > How will you get access where there is no wifi? Since there won't be

    any
    > cell phone companies to use.
    >
    >


    You don't think they'll go bankrupt, do you, before they realize how
    futile their archaic technology and metered service is no longer making
    those obscene profits any more?

    I fully expect the cell carriers to be selling unlimited WiMax across
    their systems in the near future, especially those PCS carriers with
    towers so close together.

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  7. #37
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4682172e$0$7984
    [email protected]:

    > If that's the case, I don't know. I imagine some type of plan will be
    > available because it is happening. Many downtown areas are providing
    > free internate access to blanket a whole area so it IS going to happen.
    >
    >
    >


    The City of Charleston provides every user free 110Kbps wifi across the
    downtown peninsula district and has plans to expand it to other areas of
    the city very soon as the bugs are worked out. My Netgear SPH101 Skype
    phone has full service right in my pocket anywhere downtown. 110Kbps is
    plenty of bandwidth for a Skype phone. Of course, this technology
    doesn't support "roaming" from hotspot to hotspot, but the little phone
    is rabid at logging onto another hotspot as soon as the current one
    becomes useless. You lose the call you're on, of course, as there's no
    handoff. I think that technology on systems like Skype are in our near
    future as free wifi becomes more available.

    One of my Skype friends in Paris says his Skype phone will work nearly
    anywhere in the main city, now. We love to play with mobile-to-mobile
    Skype-to-Skype Charleston-to-Paris...(c;

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  8. #38
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    ZnU <[email protected]> wrote in news:znu-228F9A.20080326062007
    @individual.net:

    > iPhones probably will be hacked to run Skype. But open wireless
    > coverage, while pretty widespread in major cities, is not good enough
    > that you could walk down the street talking on the phone using Skype.
    > For one thing, there's no mechanism in place whereby you can maintain

    an
    > active voice connection while moving from one access point to the next.
    >
    > Maybe in five or ten years.
    >
    >


    http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=82560

    Looks like from all the begging, especially by business people who use
    Skype a lot, it won't be that long....(c;

    At the moment, iPhone will not allow ANY 3rd part software to run on it
    except a Web 2.0 app for Safari. Knowing how Skype seems to love a
    challenge, I suspect you'll be logging your iPhone onto
    http://safari.skype.com to run the Web 2.0 app very soon....hee hee.

    Boy, that will add insult to injury if Steve doesn't get paid for it!

    Larry
    --
    http://www.spp.gov/
    The end of the USA and its Constitution....RIP




  9. #39
    Larry
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    ZnU <[email protected]> wrote in news:znu-228F9A.20080326062007
    @individual.net:

    > iPhones probably will be hacked to run Skype. But open wireless
    > coverage, while pretty widespread in major cities, is not good enough
    > that you could walk down the street talking on the phone using Skype.
    > For one thing, there's no mechanism in place whereby you can maintain

    an
    > active voice connection while moving from one access point to the next.
    >
    > Maybe in five or ten years.
    >
    >


    http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/iphon...r-installable-
    applications/

    http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/06/12/i...rd-party-apps-
    via-safari-browser/

    It's not REALLY running OS X. OS X runs 3rd party programs. IPhone does
    not, probably in response to the cellular telecom industry who already
    see it as a threat to revenues and profits. They'll do everything in
    their power to keep Skype off the iPhone. They haven't been too
    successful keeping Skype off their Aircards, however...(c; Skype uses
    ANY port so cannot be blocked. It also uses every other Skype user as
    part of the network. Cellular can't block all the ports and IPs on the
    planet or the damned thing won't access their spammers...(c;

    Larry
    --
    There's lots of business people, especially business users in foreign
    countries traveling, running Skype over Aircards, as well as wifi.
    What's Verizon gonna do, shoot their foot and piss off a huge corporation
    like Exxon/Mobile or IBM cutting off their Aircard service for "abuse"?
    NOT!




  10. #40
    ZnU
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

    > ZnU <[email protected]> wrote in news:znu-228F9A.20080326062007
    > @individual.net:
    >
    > > iPhones probably will be hacked to run Skype. But open wireless
    > > coverage, while pretty widespread in major cities, is not good
    > > enough that you could walk down the street talking on the phone
    > > using Skype. For one thing, there's no mechanism in place whereby
    > > you can maintain

    > an
    > > active voice connection while moving from one access point to the
    > > next.
    > >
    > > Maybe in five or ten years.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/iphon...r-installable-
    > applications/
    >
    > http://www.pmptoday.com/2007/06/12/i...rd-party-apps-
    > via-safari-browser/
    >
    > It's not REALLY running OS X. OS X runs 3rd party programs.


    In a technical sense, it can be said that it's running OS X. You're
    quite right that from the user's perspective this doesn't mean what it
    potentially could mean.

    > IPhone does not, probably in response to the cellular telecom
    > industry who already see it as a threat to revenues and profits.
    > They'll do everything in their power to keep Skype off the iPhone.
    > They haven't been too successful keeping Skype off their Aircards,
    > however...(c; Skype uses ANY port so cannot be blocked. It also
    > uses every other Skype user as part of the network. Cellular can't
    > block all the ports and IPs on the planet or the damned thing won't
    > access their spammers...(c;


    Sure, ports won't be the issue. The issue will be talking the iPhone
    into running native third-party apps, because you sure as hell can't
    implement a VoIP client in JavaScript.

    On that front, we have no real idea what sort of technical steps Apple
    has taken to lock down the iPhone.

    --
    "That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
    about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
    that interesting?"
    - George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006



  11. #41
    R. P.
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Huh
    >
    > Man charged with wireless network trespassing - Jul. 7, 2005
    > "Police have charged a Florida man with a third-degree felony charge,
    > after he was arrested for accessing a St. Petersburg resident's
    > wireless
    > Internet network without permission."
    > http://money.cnn.com/2005/07/07/tech...rest/index.htm


    Thanks for that reference. I think that's the one I remembered when
    I posted my first msg in this thread. Wireless network trespassing ...
    This is not to say that I agree or disagree with it though, just that
    I've seen some blurb about the illegaility of it.

    R. P.




  12. #42
    R. P.
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > RP, feel free to use mine. SSID is W4CSC. It's running 400mw at 50'
    > to a
    > high gain omni vertical. Help yourself....lots of others do....(c;


    OK, but only if you promise not to sniff my packets. ;-)

    R. P.




  13. #43
    Al
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.


    "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in news:4681d79f$0$12166
    > [email protected]:
    >
    > > At home I see three wifi points and only
    > > mine is secure.

    >
    > Hey! Come on! Open up! Mine is open, 400mw at 50' to a high gain antenna
    > and I've never had any troubles in years. You can use SSID W4CSC, any
    > time. Open yours up and share the pipes!


    So you wouldn't mind a few dozen iPhone users connecting? ;^)






  14. #44
    Wes Groleau
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    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.

    ed wrote:
    > "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> Having never owned a personal cell phone (only work phones) I didn't
    >> even know that was the case. Definitely a good move by Apple.

    >
    > well, the thing is, it's not the case. verizon phones can self activate
    > over the cell network without going into the store.


    And Sprint.


    --
    Wes Groleau

    There are some ideas so wrong that only a
    very intelligent person could believe in them.
    -- George Orwell



  15. #45
    News
    Guest

    Re: Activating an iPhone - Made SIMPLE by Apple.



    Wes Groleau wrote:
    > ed wrote:
    >
    >> "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>
    >>> Having never owned a personal cell phone (only work phones) I didn't
    >>> even know that was the case. Definitely a good move by Apple.

    >>
    >>
    >> well, the thing is, it's not the case. verizon phones can self
    >> activate over the cell network without going into the store.

    >
    >
    > And Sprint.
    >



    And Voicestream/T-Mo (for corporate users, at least) since 6-7 years ago.



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