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  1. #16
    News
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    No, "You'll" see.

    No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.



    Oxford wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.

    >
    >
    > It will work just fine, you'll see.




    See More: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.




  2. #17
    BruceR
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.



    Oxford wrote:
    > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Well Oxford, explain to me how a battery that wouldn't hold a charge
    >> for more than 24 hours while turned off relates to the fact I use a
    >> PC.

    >
    > Because of the implementation of USB on some PC's it's dicey at best.
    > You tried to connect a high quality product (the iPod) to a low end
    > device (a PC) so it's clear the PC was at fault here. What brand of PC
    > was it?


    It is a Sony PC - not low end and the USB ports have not been
    problematic.
    >
    >> While you're at it can you also explain how the fact that it took 4
    >> returns and 6 calls to get Apple to finally "fix" the bad battery
    >> problem by sending a new unit relates to my using a PC?

    >
    > But that wasn't related to Apple, they sent you 4 different iPods? and
    > the (3,5 one worked) or did you get a new PC / plug it into a
    > different USB port in the meantime?


    Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3 times
    (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did nothing to
    correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th time after I made
    calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the same SONY Desktop PC
    each time and there is nothing wrong with the PC.
    >
    > Either way, why people continue to beat themselves up with PC's is
    > beyond reason. Get a Mac and live a better life.


    That's just arrogant. The PC was not at fault. It works fine with every
    other peripheral I have used. Are you saying is that Apple is incapable
    of providing a reliable interface to a PC but falsly advertises that
    they do? BTW, Apple never pointed to my PC as the problem.
    >
    >> The iPOD was anything BUT perfect... it had a defective battery and
    >> that's why they had to replace it (of course, if the brilliant Apple
    >> designers had added a battery door I could have just popped in a new
    >> battery but I guess having an easily replaceable battery isn't
    >> "modern tech" - just practical).

    >
    > Replacing a battery on the iPod is easy, but adding a door would
    > created consumer quality issues. iPod batteries last a LONG time. 3-5
    > years on average, so it's a cheaper, more eco friendly, more reliable
    > way to go compared to using old fashioned AA / AAA batteries.
    > Spending $19.95 on 1 iPod battery sure beats spending $90 for the
    > same power using AA/AAA ones, then you always have to worry about
    > running out of power, with an iPod, you just plug it into FireWire or
    > USB, done.


    Low profile LiOn batteries are available for all kinds of consumer
    products. To say that a battery door would create "consumer quality
    issues" is just nonsense as vitually every other battery operated
    device - including MP3 Players and Mobile phones - have battery doors
    that clearly do not create "consumer quality issues." Or are you saying
    that Apple is unique in not being able to avoid "creating consumer
    quality issues" by adding a battery door? In any case I fail to see how
    the addition of a battery door would affect the quality of the consumer
    . As for the cost of batteries, I pay 40 cents for AAA alkaline
    batteries that last me about 3 weeks so I spend about $6 a year. I
    don't worry about running out of power because I always keep a few
    spares in my briefcase. I do not, however, always have a convenient USB
    or FW port handy.
    >
    >> Whether a Dual Core Intel PC or Apple machine is better is a subject
    >> for another time and place (as is top vs bottom posting). But based
    >> on my experience with Apple service I'll stick with my Sony PC,
    >> Sensa MP3.
    >>
    >> Apple has beautiful if not always practical designs and there is no
    >> taking away from the their marketing prowess with the iPOD and the
    >> iPhone and even some of their computer designs. But after such a
    >> horrendous experience with their service deptartment I'll just have
    >> to pass.

    >
    > Was it Apple's service, or somewhere like Compusa? Just curious.


    It was Apple's direct service. They sent boxes - I returned the unit.
    They returned the same serial number unit. 3 TIMES. Only after a call to
    Apple corporate did they finally send a refurbed unit. Compare that to
    when my Sony laptop needed a new keyboard. I walked into the Sony repair
    depot, handed them my laptop and receipt and 25 minutes later walked out
    with a new keyboard installed. THAT's the kind of service that keeps me
    interested in Sony and COULD have kept me interested in Apple.
    Actually, had they just fixed it the first time I would have been happy.

    I have been using Motorola phones since 1984 and have never had a
    service issue or need for any repair. I have changed the low profile
    LiOn batteries myself without experiencing any "consumer quality issues"
    whatsoever. I continue to remain a high quality consumer.





  3. #18
    Richard Colton
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.


    "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > "Richard Colton" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Any chance you could crosspost to a few more disintersted groups next
    >> time?

    >
    > no, everyone that this was posted to was interested. you are just
    > jealous that you are locked into another servive plan, that's all.


    No, I'm not locked into any service plan, nor am I jealous.

    > you'll get an iPhone at some point.


    Not likely after the fiasco I had with ipods for my kids. I'd rather have a
    fully featured phone not locked into proprietry software thanks. Now, if
    someone would release a Linux based handset with the features my HTC Hermes
    has I could well be convinced to change.

    > thanks.


    For what?

    Fu's set again.
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  4. #19
    Oxford
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:

    > No, "You'll" see.
    >
    > No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.


    No, you don't understand. Apple doesn't do "beta" tests, they actually
    ship the full "complete" product unless they "specifically" say "beta".

    The beta program was over this spring for the iPhone. So "you'll" get
    the full product, with zero to very, very few bugs.

    Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher
    standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
    following.

    "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...



  5. #20
    News
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    Just a "few" bugs, eh?

    So why don't you hold your breath and I'll tell you "soon enough" when
    I've decided to beta the product.

    You can start.... now.

    I'll be back to you when I've decided to beta.

    So hold your breath until then....




    Oxford wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>No, "You'll" see.
    >>
    >>No sane person will be paying-to-beta in the real world.

    >
    >
    > No, you don't understand. Apple doesn't do "beta" tests, they actually
    > ship the full "complete" product unless they "specifically" say "beta".
    >
    > The beta program was over this spring for the iPhone. So "you'll" get
    > the full product, with zero to very, very few bugs.
    >
    > Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher
    > standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
    > following.
    >
    > "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...




  6. #21
    BruceR
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
    others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
    out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.

    Oxford wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.

    >
    > there really isn't anything "bleeding edge" on the iphone outside of
    > the multi-touch technology which is working quite well.
    >
    > the iPhone is running OSX so you need to keep that in mind, all the
    > battle testing of the phone occurred years ago, so the Apps and
    > services will be fine.
    >
    > Plus AT&T at the request of Apple tested this phone twice as long as
    > any phone they have ever tested. It will work just fine, you'll see.






  7. #22
    BruceR
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.



    Oxford wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >> Apple isn't like other companies in this regard, they have higher

    > standards. MUCH higher standards, that's why they have such a solid
    > following.
    >
    > "You'll get one soon enough" so don't be too jealous right now...


    "MUCH higher standards?" Can't prove it by my experience.





  8. #23
    Oxford
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
    > others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
    > out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.


    first of all, DO NOT TOP post!

    it makes you look like a total fool... all usenet replies appear at the
    BOTTOM of a reply, or you are dismissed.

    Apple has over 200 patents on the iPhone, so it will be at least 17
    years before anyone can copy it. Nokia isn't really in the game anymore,
    they started it for sure, but they kinda became the IBM, and will leave
    the market in the next few years. No way they can compete against Apple
    level engineering and design, they simply don't have the resources.

    Yes, SONY has shown this flexible screen as well, and Apple showed it
    way, way back in 1996/7, so Apple still is the main company that brings
    tech to people, so Nokia is pretty much a goner at this point in the
    game. They tried, and were good for awhile but they are no match for an
    "Apple".

    Here's Apple's foldable screen, cira 1996/7

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WdS4TscWH8



  9. #24
    News
    Guest

    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    Your "exposition" on patent law makes you the fool to be dismissed.

    Not to mention your mindless MacKop toadying to unproductive convention.



    Oxford wrote:

    > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>If there isn't anything bleeding edge then explain why it will take
    >>others "a half a decade" to introduce something similar? Nokia's roll
    >>out, flexible screen isn't even that far off.

    >
    >
    > first of all, DO NOT TOP post!
    >
    > it makes you look like a total fool... all usenet replies appear at the
    > BOTTOM of a reply, or you are dismissed.
    >
    > Apple has over 200 patents on the iPhone, so it will be at least 17
    > years before anyone can copy it.




  10. #25
    Randall Ainsworth
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    In article <[email protected]>, News <[email protected]> wrote:

    > What very colorful flavor KoolAid are they serving today?
    >
    > No sane individual willingly pays-to-beta bleeding edge appliances.


    OK, we'll wait for your dinner of crow tomorrow night.



  11. #26
    Todd Allcock
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    At 28 Jun 2007 08:44:43 -1000 BruceR wrote:

    > Get a Mac and live a better life.
    >
    > That's just arrogant. The PC was not at fault. It works fine with every
    > other peripheral I have used. Are you saying is that Apple is incapable
    > of providing a reliable interface to a PC but falsly advertises that
    > they do? BTW, Apple never pointed to my PC as the problem.



    No, he's simply trolling outlandishly and laughing at our reasoned
    responses. If his precious Mac died he'd blame the country's non-Apple-
    built power grid before he blamed Apple.

    You can't argue the Dogma of Apple Infallibility with the faithful.


    I've been in marketing too long to be brand loyal. If one product (be it
    Coke/Pepsi, Ford/Chevy, PC/Mac, whatever) were truely THAT superior to
    another in the same category, it'd dominate the market and eliminate the
    other...

    ....or at least relegate the other to a 5% market share... ;-)


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  12. #27
    Oxford
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3 times
    > > (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did nothing to
    > > correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th time after I made
    > > calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the same SONY Desktop PC
    > > each time and there is nothing wrong with the PC.

    >
    > Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?


    yes, Windows is the weak link in the chain for most people no matter
    what they do in life. The iPod is blamed in this case, but 99.9% of the
    time it's actually "MS Windows" or the very poor hardware base on which
    Windows tries to run is the actual problem.

    PCs are a huge sea of "junk", but since the dumb people of the world
    thing "computers should be complicated" and shouldn't work correctly,
    PC's win!

    Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is foreign
    to their experience.

    Thankfully, Apple will win in the end, once all the dumb people die.



  13. #28
    BruceR
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.



    Oxford wrote:
    > Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]spam.techline.com> wrote:
    >
    >>> Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3
    >>> times (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did
    >>> nothing to correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th
    >>> time after I made calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the
    >>> same SONY Desktop PC each time and there is nothing wrong with the
    >>> PC.

    >>
    >> Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?

    >
    > yes, Windows is the weak link in the chain for most people no matter
    > what they do in life. The iPod is blamed in this case, but 99.9% of
    > the time it's actually "MS Windows" or the very poor hardware base on
    > which Windows tries to run is the actual problem.
    >
    > PCs are a huge sea of "junk", but since the dumb people of the world
    > thing "computers should be complicated" and shouldn't work correctly,
    > PC's win!
    >
    > Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is
    > foreign to their experience.
    >
    > Thankfully, Apple will win in the end, once all the dumb people die.


    Well Oxford, that's all very trite but you still haven't answered my
    questions. How is using a PC with or without Windows (which I never said
    I used - ever hear of Linux? I use both) related to a problem with a
    battery? And for the record, it wouldn't hold a charge after plugging
    the thing in to my friend's Apple laptop either. You can hem and haw
    all you want but the fact is that the battery was defective and it took
    Apple 4 returns and escalation to corporate to even run a proper test
    and admit that it was defective and replace the unit.
    I can understand and forgive a defective item but not the horrible
    service I got from Apple which I'm sure that even you will have to admit
    had nothing to do with having a PC or the OS used. In fact, for the 3
    weeks the thing worked, I had no trouble using iTunes. It was just a
    bad battery, poor design in not being able to replace it myself and
    awful service from the manufacturer.

    As far as Apple "winning in the end" you may recall that prior to the
    iPOD when they relied on computer sales only, they were in the crapper
    on the verge of bankruptcy.





  14. #29
    Kevin Weaver
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    Until Microsoft bailed them out

    I'm surprised user bill gates has not chimed in yet about it's imposable
    that apple would have not fixed it before the 4th time.

    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    >
    > Oxford wrote:
    >> Randall Ainsworth <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>> Of course it's related to Apple! They returned the original iPOD 3
    >>>> times (same serial number) with a "firmware update" that did
    >>>> nothing to correct the problem. They only sent a new unit the 4th
    >>>> time after I made calls to Apple's corporate offices. I used the
    >>>> same SONY Desktop PC each time and there is nothing wrong with the
    >>>> PC.
    >>>
    >>> Why is it that everybody who has problems with iPods uses Windows?

    >>
    >> yes, Windows is the weak link in the chain for most people no matter
    >> what they do in life. The iPod is blamed in this case, but 99.9% of
    >> the time it's actually "MS Windows" or the very poor hardware base on
    >> which Windows tries to run is the actual problem.
    >>
    >> PCs are a huge sea of "junk", but since the dumb people of the world
    >> thing "computers should be complicated" and shouldn't work correctly,
    >> PC's win!
    >>
    >> Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is
    >> foreign to their experience.
    >>
    >> Thankfully, Apple will win in the end, once all the dumb people die.

    >
    > Well Oxford, that's all very trite but you still haven't answered my
    > questions. How is using a PC with or without Windows (which I never said I
    > used - ever hear of Linux? I use both) related to a problem with a
    > battery? And for the record, it wouldn't hold a charge after plugging the
    > thing in to my friend's Apple laptop either. You can hem and haw all you
    > want but the fact is that the battery was defective and it took Apple 4
    > returns and escalation to corporate to even run a proper test and admit
    > that it was defective and replace the unit.
    > I can understand and forgive a defective item but not the horrible service
    > I got from Apple which I'm sure that even you will have to admit had
    > nothing to do with having a PC or the OS used. In fact, for the 3 weeks
    > the thing worked, I had no trouble using iTunes. It was just a bad
    > battery, poor design in not being able to replace it myself and awful
    > service from the manufacturer.
    >
    > As far as Apple "winning in the end" you may recall that prior to the iPOD
    > when they relied on computer sales only, they were in the crapper on the
    > verge of bankruptcy.
    >





  15. #30
    News
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    Re: AT&T's iPhone Store Locator has been posted.

    Don't you love the invisible hand of the free market at work?



    Oxford wrote:

    > Apple "loses" since the societal concept of a problem free PC is foreign
    > to their experience.
    >




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