Jobs SLAMS 3G - Wipes out its future!

It's not cities stepping away, it's they're contractor Earthlink now
teetering on the brink of bankruptcy that can't afford to meet its
committments to build WiFi systems for these cities.


On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:49:12 -0700, "Giganews"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:colalovesmacs->
>> good IMHO, it sounds like you are starting to figure out what I'm
>> saying... "distributed" WiFi is the future... where nobody contributes
>> more than $5 a month for full access.
>>
>> This way we can kill off the Cell companies, the Cable companies and the
>> old Landline companies.
>>
>> This has been the Vision of Apple since the earliest days in 1976, even
>> before Apple was official, when Steve and Steve used blue boxes to make
>> free worldwide calls through the AT&T network.
>>
>> We as a "people" must strive to get back to that goal.
>>
>> It's coming full circle, but we only have "ignorance" in the way.
>>
>> Welcome aboard "IMHO"!!!
>>
>> -
>
>Oxford, the demented troll is again FAR from reality.
>
>http://www.usatoday.com/printedition...lede20.art.htm
>
>Cities turning off plans for Wi-Fi
>Complexity, cost doom efforts to create access
>
>CHICAGO — Plans to blanket cities across the nation with low-cost or free
>wireless Internet access are being delayed or abandoned because they are
>proving to be too costly and complicated.
>
>Houston, San Francisco, Chicago and other cities are putting proposed Wi-Fi
>networks on hold.
>
>"Wi-Fi woes everywhere you turn," says Russell Hancock of Silicon Valley
>Network, a troubled Wi-Fi project for 40 towns in California's high-tech
>corridor.
>
>Oxford, Your 'vision' of WiFi is about as wrong as one can be....

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Oxford wrote:
> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I carry an extra battery for my phone and an extra battery for my MP3
>> player and an extra battery for my camera. The way I travel I use
>> those extra batteries frequently. Am I part of 1% or 50%? Neither
>> you or I know but at least for ME - I won't consider a "sealed
>> battery" product. If Apple solved that and offered the phone through
>> TMo, I might consider it, but based on my service experience with an
>> Apple Mini I'd be very wary.
>
> then get an extra battery for your iphone / ipod. lots of companies
> make them. and the mini? service experience? those machines are easy
> to open and work on.
>
> sounds like you aren't educated on how Apple products operate.

I'm educated enough to know that the battery can't be changed in under
10 seconds. That's what I need for a phone. And as far as my service
experience, we discussed that weeks ago - you even "verified" the ticket
number.

At 20 Sep 2007 12:20:48 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
> It's not cities stepping away, it's they're contractor Earthlink now
> teetering on the brink of bankruptcy that can't afford to meet its
> committments to build WiFi systems for these cities.

Is Google "teetering on the brink of bankruptcy" as well? Is AT&T?
These companies are also involved in muni-WiFi plans that have halted
as well.

It's a neat idea- except for the part where no one has figured out
how to pay for it or make any money from it...



--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:15:39 -0600, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

>At 20 Sep 2007 12:20:48 -0500 [email protected] wrote:
>> It's not cities stepping away, it's they're contractor Earthlink now
>> teetering on the brink of bankruptcy that can't afford to meet its
>> committments to build WiFi systems for these cities.
>
>Is Google "teetering on the brink of bankruptcy" as well? Is AT&T?
>These companies are also involved in muni-WiFi plans that have halted
>as well.


DUh - AT&T has 10,000 WiFi Hot Spots in the United States.
Doesn't sound like they've abandoned it.

>
>It's a neat idea- except for the part where no one has figured out
>how to pay for it or make any money from it...

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > Ah, so the flaw is thinking that a thousand times more WiFi towers
>> > is less expensive to deploy than cell towers.
>>
>> But according to Oxford WiFi is available everywhere already - EXCEPT
>> where you and I are.
>
> if you live in a poor area, just MOVE... there is no reason for you to
> lower your standard of life just to be out of range of free WiFi
> service...
>
> you'll have it in time of course,

Not in Chicago, San Francisoc or Colorado Springs, to name a few. And
look- those three cities hardly qualify as a "poor area."

> but most Mac users have free service
> now.

No more than PC users,

> they don't put up with poor living standards, thus don't deal
> with the "old world" you seem to be living in.
>
> -
>

Apparently they do- you're posting here.

Oxford wrote:
> I'm never "silent" I just choose to shine a bright light

You mean you shine darkness?

> where ignorance is common place.

Kettle - Black

At 20 Sep 2007 18:19:28 -0400 kdt wrote:

> You need a soldering iron to connect a battery pack to the dock
> connector?


Oh, you mean one of those stupid external battery extenders! Great
idea, I'll snap it in my Utility Belt between the Bat-Rope and the
Bat-Grappling-hook...


--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

Oxford wrote:
> if you live in a poor area, just MOVE... there is no reason for you to
> lower your standard of life just to be out of range of free WiFi
> service...

I *SALE* WiFi service, as in "its not free".

My biggest client bases are in $300,000 to $500,000 housing developments.

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "IMHO IIRC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like Cable internet, Satalite internet, and dialup internet
>> are also in trouble.
>> Why would anyone pay when they can just use FREE WiFi to surf the
>> net.
>>
>> No Internet bills and no cell phone bills - Just FREE WiFi - Can
>> hardly wait.
>
> good IMHO, it sounds like you are starting to figure out what I'm
> saying... "distributed" WiFi is the future...


Not in Chicage, San Francisco or Colorado Springs, just to name a few.
In fact, the call for free wifi has become a mere whisper. Stop living
in the past and join the real world.


> where nobody contributes
> more than $5 a month for full access.

Such old school thinking. And yuou call yourself cutting edge. What a
lie.

>
> This way we can kill off the Cell companies, the Cable companies and
> the old Landline companies.

Now that is funny. Those three industries spend more in lobbying costs
than Apple makes.

>
> This has been the Vision of Apple since the earliest days in 1976,
> even before Apple was official, when Steve and Steve used blue boxes
> to make free worldwide calls through the AT&T network.

Living in the past again, Skippy.

>
> We as a "people" must strive to get back to that goal.

We as a "people" never had that goal.

>
> It's coming full circle, but we only have "ignorance" in the way.

You forgot to include reality on your list.

>
> Welcome aboard "IMHO"!!!
>
> -
>

[email protected] wrote:
> DUh - AT&T has 10,000 WiFi Hot Spots in the United States.
> Doesn't sound like they've abandoned it.

Apples to oranges.

AT&T, err...at&t, charges for their service. Its not free.
AT&T offers hotspots, not ubiquitous coverage.
AT&T limits what you can do. You can't run servers,, or webcams, etc.

Oxford wrote:
> An article written by cell phone companies, how interesting!

How did you come to that conclusion? I didn't see any reference to any
cellphone companies.

Are you imagining things or making up this crap as you go along?

"Giganews" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Oxford, Your 'vision' of WiFi is about as wrong as one can be....
>
>

I found a wifi dead spot near here in a burger joint, today. First time I
didn't have Skype on the Netgear Skype phone in some time....


Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> The Ghost of General Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >good IMHO, it sounds like you are starting to figure out what I'm
>> >saying... "distributed" WiFi is the future... where nobody
>> >contributes more than $5 a month for full access.
>>
>> First you say it'll be free, now you say we must "contribute"? Isn't
>> that the same thing some politicians at one time said of taxes, that
>> they were "contributions"? At least you're finally realizing there
>> is no such thing as a free lunch. Someone has to pay for the
>> infrastructure, support, maintenance, etc. for all that "free" Wifi
>> service.
>
> you only contribute if you want to be part of this great social
> experiment. if you want total freedom, go for it.
>
>> >This way we can kill off the Cell companies, the Cable companies and
>> >the old Landline companies.
>> >
>> >This has been the Vision of Apple since the earliest days in 1976,
>> >even before Apple was official, when Steve and Steve used blue boxes
>> >to make free worldwide calls through the AT&T network.
>>
>> That sounds a lot like theft of service to me. They were criminals,
>> pure and simple.
>
> no, last time I looked 1 & 0's are free, it's only the middlemen that
> try and trick you into thinking otherwise. One big grid of linked WiFi
> basestations and you have the end of several obsolete industries, and
> that should be the goal of everyone.


Really? Who's gonna backhaul all that traffic? What free network
currently exists that can handle peak use of all of your basestations at
acceptable speeds? How you propose getting around those sections of the
backbone that are run for a profit?

You continue to show a junior high school knowledge about the subject.
You are living proof that Apple markets to idiots. That's why all of
the important computer work around the world is done on a PC.

>
> Remember buggy whips and horse **** in the streets several decades
> ago? Nope... just as people won't remember "paying" for internet
> access in the next decade or so.

Nope- your analogy would only apply if people didn't pay for the horse
and buggy replacement in today's world. Whoever started calling you
Oxturd was on point- the **** that you spew smells to high heaven.


>
>> >We as a "people" must strive to get back to that goal.
>>
>> Get back to stealing???
>
> exchanging 1 & 0's for free is stealing? sounds like you don't know
> where all this is headed. You'll learn.
>
>> >It's coming full circle, but we only have "ignorance" in the way.
>>
>> With Captain Oxturd Ignorance leading the charge!
>>
>> >Welcome aboard "IMHO"!!!
>>
>> Your battleship has already been sunk, "Captain." Game over.
>
> You are scared of the future, I'm not. It's plain and simple.

I wasn't scared when I was eight years old either and wanted to be an
astronaut. You'll start understanding the real world right before
you're old enough to drive.

>
> -
>

Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "Giganews" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oxford, the demented troll is again FAR from reality.
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/printedition...lede20.art.htm
>>
>> Cities turning off plans for Wi-Fi
>> Complexity, cost doom efforts to create access
>>
>> CHICAGO ‹ Plans to blanket cities across the nation with low-cost or
>> free wireless Internet access are being delayed or abandoned because
>> they are proving to be too costly and complicated.
>>
>> Houston, San Francisco, Chicago and other cities are putting proposed
>> Wi-Fi networks on hold.
>>
>> "Wi-Fi woes everywhere you turn," says Russell Hancock of Silicon
>> Valley Network, a troubled Wi-Fi project for 40 towns in California's
>> high-tech corridor.
>>
>> Oxford, Your 'vision' of WiFi is about as wrong as one can be....
>
> An article written by cell phone companies, how interesting!
>

You just lied again, Oxturd.

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> It's not cities stepping away, it's they're contractor Earthlink now
> teetering on the brink of bankruptcy that can't afford to meet its
> committments to build WiFi systems for these cities.
>
>

Wrong- it is the cities stepping away. Nice try, paranoid troll.

City holds out for ‘WIMAX’
Wi-Fi not financially viable, official says

http://www.gazette.com/articles/city_27453
___article.html/network_wireless.html



Chicago scraps city Wi-Fi plan

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/08/29/wireless.chicago.ap/

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